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11/19/2004 06:04:33 PM · #1 |
some moving war photos like the ones below that include stories
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11/19/2004 06:29:20 PM · #2 |
I'm sorry Katrina, I don't find photos of uniformed and heavily armed military "moving". Show me images of their innocent and wounded victims if you want to "move" me.
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11/19/2004 06:38:37 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by Fibonacci:
I'm sorry Katrina, I don't find photos of uniforormed and heavily armed military "moving". Show me images of their innocent and wounded victims if you want to "move" me. |
This is going to upset people but I would have to agree not much "moving" but the site of the military in this situation evokes stupidity to me. |
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11/19/2004 06:42:53 PM · #4 |
| I find these images every bit as moving as images of the "other side" of war. Lately, this type of image gets far too little press and I'm happy to see the troops and they're efforts in an uplifting depiction. But, then, I'm the kind of guy who likes to see a balanced view of things. Not everyone is and would rather see photos that validate the failure they deem all wars to be. |
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11/19/2004 06:44:25 PM · #5 |
| Our national anthem "god save our gracious queen" is sung to the same tune as your "my country wright or wrong". Perhaps we need to study Don Mc Cullins photos to appreciate the true meaning of war. |
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11/19/2004 06:49:32 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by Fibonacci:
Our national anthem "god save our gracious queen" is sung to the same tune as your "my country wright or wrong". Perhaps we need to study Don Mc Cullins photos to appreciate the true meaning of war. |
I believe you mean "My Country 'Tis Of Thee"
-Terry
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11/19/2004 06:57:11 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by Fibonacci:
Our national anthem "god save our gracious queen" is sung to the same tune as your "my country wright or wrong". Perhaps we need to study Don Mc Cullins photos to appreciate the true meaning of war. |
I believe you mean "My Country 'Tis Of Thee"
-Terry |
"Our country! In her intercourse with foreign nations, may she always be in the right; but our country, right or wrong." Naval commander Stephen Decatur originated the phrase in a toast given at an April 1816 banquet in Norfolk, Virginia, to celebrate his victory over the Barbary pirates. (The action in Algeria also gave the U.S. Marine Corps anthem its "to the shores of Tripoli" phrase, saluting their first renowned military action.)
Fifty-five years later, Carl Schurz, German-born U.S. general and U.S. senator, clarified the concept, "Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right." British author, G. K. Chesterton would probably have agreed with Schurz, since he wrote in 1901, "'My country, right or wrong' is a thing that no patriot would think of saying except in a desperate case. It is like saying 'My mother, drunk or sober.'"
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11/19/2004 07:04:03 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by Fibonacci:
I'm sorry Katrina, I don't find photos of uniforormed and heavily armed military "moving". Show me images of their innocent and wounded victims if you want to "move" me. |
Wow! You see the world very black and white to only see innocent victims. Me, I see the terrorist that are beheading innocent victims. They are victims of their own atrocities! |
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11/19/2004 07:09:07 PM · #9 |
Those are great photos. They give you a bit of a view into what the troop’s world looks like right now. I think at times we get caught up in the right or wrong arguments over the whole thing and forget about the individual solders and the sacrifices they are making. These photos do a great job putting a face on the sometimes faceless solider. Thank you for sharing these photos.
On a side note I hope people have the ability to keep this forum discussion about the photos. That is how it should be. If people feel the over whelming need to talk politics I believe there are other places on this site for that.
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11/19/2004 07:11:09 PM · #10 |
Agreed. Let's please keep this thread about the photography as much as possible.
-Terry
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11/19/2004 07:19:24 PM · #11 |
OK... Great depth of feld... poor depth of vision.
Bob
Message edited by author 2004-11-22 14:49:14. |
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11/19/2004 07:28:47 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by GBServis:
They give you a bit of a view into what the troop’s world looks like right now. I think at times we get caught up in the right or wrong arguments over the whole thing and forget about the individual solders and the sacrifices they are making. These photos do a great job putting a face on the sometimes faceless solider. |
Well said. |
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11/19/2004 07:30:58 PM · #13 |
| Thank you for posting the link. Some exceptional photos in that collection, and I do find many of them to be quite moving, and most of them to be interesting and insightful. |
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11/19/2004 07:57:14 PM · #14 |
| It is nice to see the human side of soldiers and peace keepers, sometimes we need a reminder regardless of our political beliefs!! |
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11/19/2004 07:57:46 PM · #15 |
| War through a different set of photography eyes, the invasion of Falluja |
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11/19/2004 08:02:48 PM · #16 |
The shots are OK, if you want to see really good war photojournalism, look at Robert Capa's work, especially his shots from D-Day. He was probably the original embedded journalist.
Also very good is James Nachtwey
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11/19/2004 08:04:28 PM · #17 |
Boy, Mad does that ever make me sad!!
Message edited by author 2004-11-19 20:05:46. |
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11/19/2004 08:09:51 PM · #18 |
Indeed he has very moving photography. I look forward to seeing his movie. |
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11/19/2004 08:24:44 PM · #19 |
thanks mad and spazmo for posting those, some very sad and tragic stuff in there...
Originally posted by Fibonacci:
I'm sorry Katrina, I don't find photos of uniforormed and heavily armed military "moving". Show me images of their innocent and wounded victims if you want to "move" me. |
and flibonacci i had no intention of this thread becomeing a poiltical rant
i am very much against the war and today i watched a documentary about the last letters sent home from fallen soldiers and these shots translate those letters, most from kids who were just trying to get a life by getting a chance to go to college and ended up giving it instead
i dont know what you find "moving" but i find it very sad |
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11/20/2004 04:20:41 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
War through a different set of photography eyes, the invasion of Falluja |
These are the images that are "moving" in every way not that sugar coated media type image we are use to. And show the real stupidity of war. |
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11/20/2004 04:33:45 AM · #21 |
Robert Capas Images are also very evocotive, Death of a Rebublican must be the most published Originally posted by Fibonacci:
Our national anthem "god save our gracious queen" is sung to the same tune as your "my country wright or wrong". Perhaps we need to study Don Mc Cullins photos to appreciate the true meaning of war. |
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11/20/2004 05:48:24 AM · #22 |
| I think this pictures are shown or published to deceive the nations... 1000 civil person are being killed per day in iraq. I know that war is not innocent or a game. But nowadays application of american army in iraq can not be acceptable. For example they can killed defenceless and wounded person in a mosque. That photographer's eye should catch this kind of things also, if they want to say something about the war... |
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11/20/2004 08:02:42 AM · #23 |
| My problem with these photos is that they appear to me to be contrived and posed in such a manner that as a "body of work", they reduce the issue to very simplified terms. They are pictures "of" the american military, not "about" them. If we reduce our sensitivity to human suffering by dividing the world into "Good guys" and "bad guys", the "bad guys" have won. Anyone who has ever read "to kill a mocking bird" will understand my point. |
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11/20/2004 10:49:36 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by ridvanerkan:
I think this pictures are shown or published to deceive the nations... 1000 civil person are being killed per day in iraq. I know that war is not innocent or a game. But nowadays application of american army in iraq can not be acceptable. For example they can killed defenceless and wounded person in a mosque. That photographer's eye should catch this kind of things also, if they want to say something about the war... |
When the American army was so kindly invited for a long stay in Iraq, they didn`t expect this kind of treatment! |
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11/20/2004 11:08:37 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by ridvanerkan:
I think this pictures are shown or published to deceive the nations... 1000 civil person are being killed per day in iraq. I know that war is not innocent or a game. But nowadays application of american army in iraq can not be acceptable. For example they can killed defenceless and wounded person in a mosque. That photographer's eye should catch this kind of things also, if they want to say something about the war... |
I assume that the defenseless and wounded person in the mosque is in relation to the video of the Marine shooting. If you'd seen the video the defenseless man was faking death, an ever increasing stratagem used to take advantage of military personnel who follow the Law of War in which that action is strictly prohibited. In defense of his fellow soldiers he made a split second decision to protect all of their lives before the defenseless man could roll out a grenade or shoot either of them. Its called hostile intent and soldiers have the right to protect themselves. If you disagree, I feel sorry for any soldiers in your family or friends. |
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