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02/24/2003 11:49:12 AM · #1 |
Remember what the challenge says...
Consider the underlying thought that a photograph is about communication and that the the best photographs should have something to say other then "wooh,pretty" In the spirit of this thought capture your best communication of despair.
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02/24/2003 12:21:39 PM · #2 |
Sonifo, thanks for pointing that out. I am voting for images that convey the message the best, not the ones that have wow factor and are pretty. I bet the ones I rate highest will not be in the top 10 or 20.
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02/24/2003 02:53:18 PM · #3 |
I received 60 votes so far ,all 1-3 but only 2 comments to tell me why!!!
Message edited by author 2003-02-24 14:58:28. |
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02/24/2003 03:06:18 PM · #4 |
this week I'm keeping a note of how my score drops:
31 votes average :5.1935
48 votes average :4.7083
65 votes average :4.4462
I wonder how far it will drop. I knew ths week's entry would get slated though, the comments (all 5 of them) are encouraging though, at least some people appreciated it. |
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02/24/2003 03:10:17 PM · #5 |
| Yeah, some are commenting on my photo, which is doing disappointingley bad. One even said "nice colors", while there isn't any color to my photo, which I intended, since despair calls for a dark or depressing photo. |
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02/24/2003 03:18:30 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by cbonsall:
this week I'm keeping a note of how my score drops: |
I've experienced a similar drop, but I'm not that surprised. Emotive images are hard because they are very much biased to the viewer - one person's idea of despair is not necessarily another's and I think this makes scores very deceptive. I think the score distributions will be very interesting to look at this week, with many images having two peaks - one for those that thought the image may have been technically very good but emotionally lacking and the other for those that the photo reached.
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02/24/2003 04:38:51 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by briphoto:
there isn't any color to my photo, which I intended, since despair calls for a dark or depressing photo. |
Why is that ? check at the stock photography challenge, it proves the contrary.
Message edited by author 2003-02-24 16:41:09. |
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02/24/2003 04:41:12 PM · #8 |
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02/24/2003 05:10:19 PM · #9 |
| Mines doing pretty bad. I guess the soft focus was a far greater deal than I thought when I uploaded it. Live and learn. |
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02/24/2003 05:16:23 PM · #10 |
| There are some very powerful photos this week. Usually I don't look too much at the titles but some of them are really detracting from the pictures. Some of the pictures just don't show despair to me. |
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02/24/2003 05:32:39 PM · #11 |
I would like to know how people (in their way) rate the photos? Myself, I start off by saying that all photos are a 5...being an average photograph. I try to go through all the thumbnails first and see what strikes me the most. Then looking at the full image. The one that I ADORE and judge as the best out of them all will be my basis of what I judge the others on. Then I look at them technically (and what the challenge is) to judge it up or down. I then go on the emotive part...adding or subtracting that way. It seems that alot of people go on just emotion or the "moral" aspect of a photo and add nothing to the technical. Just an observation.
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02/24/2003 05:43:41 PM · #12 |
the mock suicide photos are very disturbing to me, all of them only got a 1 out of me. it is hard to explain, but seeing a "suicide set" just did not say despair to me....more like "vote for me, i am graphic!" the animals in cages really pulled my heart strings along with some of the grave stones, but the homeless photos were the 10's all the way. No one can ever say there is any more despair than what our homeless go thru.
I did not enter this challenge due to extensive travel all last week, so i am only a voter here, and these are only my personal opinions. Great Shots this week though!! |
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02/24/2003 05:54:34 PM · #13 |
| After voting on some of the other photos, I'm not surprised my score is going down. When you see what despair really looks like, it's hard to score the less real photos high. |
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02/24/2003 07:02:30 PM · #14 |
I wasn't sure really what to expect, since this is my first challenge entered. I voted on all the photos but didn't leave any comments, although this will change with my next round.
Being new to the group I am still kinda of feeling my way through.
Although I do agree that in the them of an emotion, individual tastes and ideals do come very much into play, and I also find the "suicide" photos to be not of my liking, but that truly is the extreme of despair. |
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02/24/2003 07:27:34 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by jjbeguin:
Originally posted by briphoto:
there isn't any color to my photo, which I intended, since despair calls for a dark or depressing photo. |
Why is that ? check at the stock photography challenge, it proves the contrary. |
And how does it do that? We are talking about the despair challenge, not the stock photography challenge. |
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02/24/2003 07:35:53 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by rickhd13:
Being new to the group I am still kinda of feeling my way through. |
Welcome aboard :) Most folks here have a fairly thick skin and handle criticism very well (most, not all) so don't be shy with the comments... Call them like you see them and you'll do fine.
I knew I couldn't achieve real despair in a photo cause my life is just too dang good. I went for the lighter side of despair and am getting the score I expected... Mid 3's :) But I enjoyed taking it and I like it, so I'm happy... Sheesh... Even with a score of 3.34 I can't drum up any despair :)
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02/24/2003 07:40:05 PM · #17 |
I find the suicide shots fine. I lived through an attempt when I was younger. Just a bad time in my life. Young, stupid, confused and didn't know what I had to live for. I am amazingly happy now with a wonderful family and not a want in the world.
I think some of the shots are really good. I think they should be voted high. To just give them all 1's is to not really appreciate the topic. This isn't warm and fuzzy time. This is horrible crap time. Suicide is horrible crap and definitely at the top of the despair food chain.
I shot something else very near and not so dear to my heart and am getting moderate votes on it because some don't think it is despair. I live through it. They have no idea...
I was upset that my score is going lower. I am beginning to thing that lower is probably better. |
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02/24/2003 07:49:14 PM · #18 |
So lemme get this straight. You (for whatever reason) do not see despair in "mock" suicide photos, so you automatically vote all of them a 1? Clearly your perogative, but it seems that there might be some pretty good pictures that definitely meet the challenge (even if they don't cause you to despair) that deserve more than a one.
Originally posted by angg:
the mock suicide photos are very disturbing to me, all of them only got a 1 out of me. |
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02/24/2003 07:55:59 PM · #19 |
So far someone has suggested there is no despair in my photo simply because it's a sunny place (been to Niger in West Africa lately, honey?).
I find a lot of the set-up shots just aren't cutting it this week - they can't portray the emotion that the street people and beggars can. I don't start at 5 just because it's a photo - if you don't meet the challenge you don't get marks no matter how good the photo is. If you meet the challenge, you start at a 5 and work your way up.
But I've decided not to comment on any more photos since I've already been attacked for my views. Hmmm, aren't we supposed to give our opinions on the photos here???
Message edited by author 2003-02-24 20:04:37. |
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02/24/2003 08:01:27 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by angg:
the mock suicide photos are very disturbing to me, all of them only got a 1 out of me. it is hard to explain, but seeing a "suicide set" just did not say despair to me....more like "vote for me, i am graphic!" the animals in cages really pulled my heart strings along with some of the grave stones, but the homeless photos were the 10's all the way. No one can ever say there is any more despair than what our homeless go thru.
I did not enter this challenge due to extensive travel all last week, so i am only a voter here, and these are only my personal opinions. Great Shots this week though!! |
I can't beleive you would give these photos a 1 only because you feel the authors made them to get credit for the shock value. Your way of rating has absolutely nothing to do with photography but more on the "I like I don't like" way of judging. May I remind you that a vote of "1" is the lowest score you can give, which means the photo is REALLY BAD.
Please, allow me to rate your comment: 1/10
Shame on you.
DrJOnes666
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02/24/2003 08:10:33 PM · #21 |
Well, at least I know that my scores aren't the only ones that are suffering this week.
I kind of knew that without some sort of description of why my photo was submitted under despair, people just wouldn't get it.
Que sera sera.
P.S. I also think that rating the mock suicide photos low is ridiculous. If it evokes that strong of an emotion in you, well, isn't that the goal of a challenge like this?
Message edited by author 2003-02-24 20:11:37. |
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02/24/2003 08:18:32 PM · #22 |
Well, I have only scanned the entries but I believe this is the best group ever. I think the quality of the photos and subject matter is superb. Voting without getting depressed will be impossible. I did not see a single entry less than a 5. It will be interesting to see how close the scores are of the top 50. I expect it to be a tight race.
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02/24/2003 10:56:09 PM · #23 |
This is my first challenge, and my photo is doing . . . better than I expected. One comment above was that with such an emotive topic, it is difficult to judge, and I found that to be true. There were a few that showed, to me at least, great despair, and others that seemed to be technically brilliant. I did give three 10s though for those that to me did both. I think they will rank highly at the end. It is just so fun to see really good work and get great ideas. Generally, I feel that the work in this group is of slightly less quality than that of the Yellow theme, but I also understand that it may be because of the subjective nature of the theme.
I've also noticed that everyone who posts a photo has some really great strength. For some, it's composition. Some folks can really capture perfect light. Some have a really great eye for candid events that speak the theme. When all these come together in a photo, it is really a joy to see! |
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02/25/2003 04:11:50 PM · #24 |
I made a "mock" suicide photo, even though unlike some of the other suicide photos submitted (which I really like - most got high marks from me), my subject was very much still alive. My photo suggests the idea of suicide, i.e. a person complemplating whether to go through with it. I can't think anything else that would display the concept of "despair" more then that would. Can you imagine trying to choose between life and death? What's going through that person's mind? I myself have gone through many dark periods, so I know full well.
I did receive a comment that I'll get a 1 (which I find ridiculous). Needless to say, my overall score is pretty low this week. |
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02/25/2003 04:16:09 PM · #25 |
| Just don't kill yourself if you get low score from me :-) |
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