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04/24/2023 12:57:52 AM · #1
AI has been around for at least 30 years but only in the last few months has become accessible to the average person. It seems to me that it is following a similar path as Internet did - started in scientists labs and stayed there till an easy to use tool became available. Internet started in the 60s as a text based communications tool, the development of the first graphical browser Mosaic in 1993 (and availability of PC) caused exponential growth. As AI, Internet has been used for good and evil, probably reflecting human nature.

I am starting this thread to learn more about all aspects of AI, not just for image generation. Internet helped me in all aspects of life, I want to find out how I can use AI in my life. If you are interested reply to this thread.
04/24/2023 01:39:23 AM · #2
AI-improved version of my engineering style intro:

"AI has indeed been around for several decades, but it is only recently that it has become accessible to the average person due to advancements in computing power, algorithms, and data availability. Like the internet, AI is following a similar path from being primarily used in scientific labs to becoming more widely available and accessible.

The internet started as a simple text-based communications tool in the 1960s, and it took several decades before it became the ubiquitous global network that we know today. The development of the first graphical browser, Mosaic, in 1993, played a critical role in the exponential growth of the internet. This graphical interface made it easier for people to access information and use the internet, leading to a surge in its popularity.

Similarly, recent advancements in AI technology have made it easier for non-experts to use AI tools and applications. For example, the development of user-friendly machine learning platforms and cloud-based AI services has made it easier for businesses to implement AI in their operations. This has also led to the rise of "citizen data scientists" who can use AI tools without a formal data science background.

As with the internet, AI has been used for both good and evil. On the positive side, AI has been used to improve healthcare, optimize business operations, and enhance cybersecurity. However, there are also concerns about the potential misuse of AI, such as the use of deepfakes for malicious purposes or the deployment of autonomous weapons.

Overall, AI is a powerful tool that has the potential to transform our lives in many positive ways, but we must also be mindful of its potential risks and take steps to mitigate them."
04/24/2023 03:21:35 AM · #3
I am disappointed that they did not build in a little self-deprecation and humility into AI.
https://kpriest.com/ai-dont-disrespect-ai/
04/24/2023 07:06:51 AM · #4
I tried this too:
Me: "tell me a joke about AI in Art"

AI: "Sure, here's a joke for you:

Why did the AI artist get stuck in a loop?
Because it couldn't stop generating endless variations of the same masterpiece!"

Not bad ;)

PS I just realized that ChatGPT stayed clear of including my mention of human nature, a case of well crafted diplomacy? :))
04/24/2023 09:53:54 AM · #5
I had a similar conversation with AI about poetry. It's terrible at writing poetry, but I think it's because nobody has bothered to feed it any real poetry from the last hundred years. The best poetry it wrote was in this conversation:

Originally posted by me:


were there any Imagist poems about flowers?

Originally posted by chatGPT:


Yes, there were several Imagist poems about flowers. The Imagist movement, which emerged in the early 20th century, focused on creating precise and vivid images through poetry, often using free verse and sparse language. The use of imagery was particularly important in Imagist poetry, and flowers were a common subject of imagery. Some Imagist poets who wrote about flowers include:

H.D. (Hilda Doolittle) - In her poem "Oread," H.D. uses flower imagery to describe the natural world, including the line "I am the iris, / I am the darkened gold" and "bloom, blow, blossom."

... three correct examples ...

F.S. Flint - In his poem "Hyacinth," Flint uses flower imagery to describe a woman's beauty and her changing emotions, including the lines "You wore a hyacinth / bud in your hair. / It has withered and falls / in my hands like dust."


These lines of poetry are not real. chatGPT made them up. F.S. Flint did not write a poem called Hyacinth.
04/24/2023 10:37:01 AM · #6
I fed the same line to my version of ChatGPT and I got this answer:

"Yes, there were several Imagist poems about flowers. The Imagist movement, which emerged in the early 20th century, emphasized precise, sensory language and the use of clear, concrete images to convey meaning. Many Imagist poets drew inspiration from nature, including flowers.

For example, H.D. (Hilda Doolittle), one of the leading figures of the Imagist movement, wrote several poems about flowers, including "Oread," which compares a flower to a mountain nymph, and "Sea Rose," which uses the image of a rose growing in a rocky, windswept landscape to explore themes of beauty and resilience.

Other Imagist poets who wrote about flowers include Amy Lowell, who wrote "A Tulip Garden" and "The Beggar's Flower," and Richard Aldington, who wrote "Poppy" and "Hyacinth." These poems, like many Imagist works, use precise, sensory language and vivid imagery to capture the essence of the flowers and explore deeper themes and emotions."

As I know nothing about poetry I don't know if this is correct but it is not the same version as you got. How long ago did you do this?
04/24/2023 10:41:48 AM · #7
Me: write an imagist poem about a rose flower :)

ChatGPT:

A rose,
a symphony in red,
petals like silk,
velvet to the touch.

Its scent,
a sweet, heady perfume,
fills the air
with a sensual allure.

The thorns,
sharp and deadly,
a reminder
of the beauty that can wound.

A rose,
a paradox of fragility and strength,
captivating and elusive,
a marvel of nature's art.
04/24/2023 11:26:14 AM · #8
Originally posted by ChatGPT:

For example, H.D. (Hilda Doolittle), one of the leading figures of the Imagist movement, wrote several poems about flowers,


so far so good!

Originally posted by ChatGPT:

including "Oread," which compares a flower to a mountain nymph,


no it doesn't, lol. Here is the entire poem:

Whirl up, seaŚ
whirl your pointed pines,
splash your great pines
on our rocks,
hurl your green over us,
cover us with your pools of fir.

Originally posted by ChatGPT:

and "Sea Rose," which uses the image of a rose growing in a rocky, windswept landscape to explore themes of beauty and resilience.


completely correct!

Originally posted by ChatGPT:

Other Imagist poets who wrote about flowers include Amy Lowell, who wrote "A Tulip Garden" and "The Beggar's Flower,"


A Tulip Garden is correct. The Beggar's Flower is completely made up.

Originally posted by ChatGPT:

and Richard Aldington, who wrote "Poppy" and "Hyacinth."


Aldington was a World War One poet. He has poppies and hyacinths in at least one poem, but no poems with those titles.

Originally posted by ChatGPT:

These poems, like many Imagist works, use precise, sensory language and vivid imagery to capture the essence of the flowers and explore deeper themes and emotions.


"precise, sensory language and vivid imagery" is good. Capturing "essence" and exploring "deeper themes and emotions" are generally what poetry do but do not mark Imagism, which actually works against some of these ideas. So thumbs down.

Originally posted by MargaretNet:

As I know nothing about poetry I don't know if this is correct but it is not the same version as you got. How long ago did you do this?

a month or two ago

04/24/2023 11:28:12 AM · #9
Originally posted by MargaretNet:

Me: write an imagist poem about a rose flower :)

ChatGPT:

A rose,
a symphony in red,
petals like silk,
velvet to the touch.

Its scent,
a sweet, heady perfume,
fills the air
with a sensual allure.

The thorns,
sharp and deadly,
a reminder
of the beauty that can wound.

A rose,
a paradox of fragility and strength,
captivating and elusive,
a marvel of nature's art.


I'm impressed it doesn't rhyme. I had a lot of trouble getting ChatGPT to NOT rhyme. However, it continues to write all poems in quatrains for some reason. Also, this is dreadful and not Imagism at all. It's the opposite of Imagism, which avoids putting value judgements and symbols on images.
04/24/2023 11:41:59 AM · #10
The prompt I used to create this one
a stunning surrealistic composition of a shiny metal biomechanical monkey in a surrealistic jungle landscape, 3D render, octane render, hyperdetailed, hyperrealism
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I used surrealistic composition, because Midjourney can not create a monkey that looks different than a real monkey.
biomechanical is to make it a mix of biological and mechanical mixed together.
surrealistic landscape because a a biomechanical monkey doesn't belong in a jungle.
The use of 3render, octane render to make it look like it was computer generated.
Hyperdetailed to get all the possible gears and connections in the mechanical parts.

I can generate the same prompt but get different results of that monkey
Just changing the animal and environment will change the whole image.
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04/24/2023 11:44:05 AM · #11
(in reply to PH poetry post)
Very interesting what you are saying, I had no idea what to think about this but at least ChatGPT tried to deliver something.

I have to find topics I am more familiar with. Here is one of them:

"Virtual photography is the art of taking photographs in virtual environments or video games. It involves using in-game tools to create compositions, adjust lighting and camera angles, and capture screenshots or videos of the scene.

Virtual photography has become increasingly popular in recent years, as video game graphics have become more advanced and immersive. It allows players and photographers to capture stunning and imaginative images that showcase the beauty and detail of virtual worlds.

Virtual photographers often use their creativity and artistic vision to create images that tell stories or evoke emotions, just like traditional photography. They may also use editing software to enhance the images or add special effects.

Virtual photography has also become an important tool for game developers, as it can be used to showcase their games and promote them on social media and other platforms. It is a fascinating intersection of art and technology, and has opened up new possibilities for creative expression and visual storytelling."

It is still not what I do as I don't use pre-existing games, I assemble my own environments from various sources including my own 3D photo-scans. I wonder what I should call what I do, at this stage I have no idea but if ChatGPT is right, it is not virtual photography.

Message edited by author 2023-04-24 11:44:49.
04/24/2023 11:49:46 AM · #12
Originally posted by GeorgesBogaert:

The prompt I used to create this one
a stunning surrealistic composition of a shiny metal biomechanical monkey in a surrealistic jungle landscape, 3D render, octane render, hyperdetailed, hyperrealism...

What do you do with resulting images?

PS It is no different to the question - what do I do with the photos I take?

Message edited by author 2023-04-24 11:52:48.
04/24/2023 12:03:15 PM · #13
I mint them as NFT's and try to sell them. Sold 4 till now and earned around 200Us$. One reel is also getting alot of views, should get some cash from google soon.
04/24/2023 12:09:03 PM · #14
OK, I am in the situation that I cannot earn any money from my hobbies (bit weird but true), are there any websites that you would recommend to share your creations?
04/24/2023 12:15:05 PM · #15
Originally posted by MargaretNet:

OK, I am in the situation that I cannot earn any money from my hobbies (bit weird but true), are there any websites that you would recommend to share your creations?


opensea is the place to be

you get paid in crypto currency.

I sold mine in Uhive.
04/24/2023 12:16:15 PM · #16
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Message edited by author 2023-04-24 12:17:19.
04/24/2023 12:25:36 PM · #17
Is it the variation to the same prompt?
04/24/2023 12:54:14 PM · #18
Originally posted by MargaretNet:

Is it the variation to the same prompt?


Yes, exactly same prompt.

04/24/2023 12:59:57 PM · #19
Originally posted by GeorgesBogaert:

Originally posted by MargaretNet:

Is it the variation to the same prompt?


Yes, exactly same prompt.

HA! Now it is getting very difficult to decide "which one"! Not dissimilar to my problems in the past when I had to choose ONE from many photos I took of the same scene.
04/24/2023 04:42:49 PM · #20
this is a much more objective and reasonable take on AI than my previous one, with the major points I was trying to make, which were not mentioned by ColdFusion:

https://youtu.be/l7tWoPk25yU
04/24/2023 05:26:30 PM · #21
Originally posted by posthumous:

this is a much more objective and reasonable take on AI than my previous one, with the major points I was trying to make, which were not mentioned by ColdFusion:

https://youtu.be/l7tWoPk25yU

I saw that one this morning and Bearded-Fabio is far less annoying than Ruined-Adam. Good points in this video as well.

One thing I don't see in any of these negative-slanted videos are suggested solutions. I suspect that any solutions or even attempted constraints would probably backfire in some horrifying unintended consequences. China is not going to restrain their development of AI and I don't imagine Russia is either, and neither is our beneviolent [sic] government. But then again, I am a hardened cynic.
04/24/2023 05:28:52 PM · #22
I don't know if this is the right forum to post this, in case you did not see it before:
Sony world award and AI
04/24/2023 05:32:30 PM · #23
Originally posted by mariuca:

I don't know if this is the right forum to post this, in case you did not see it before:
Sony world award and AI

"All things AI" - seems reasonable. ;-)

I can't remember if that was discussed in another thread or not. I'm familiar with the story. I didn't look at any of the competition, but find it peculiar that that photo won. I feel like I can spot the AI in it very quickly, but I've been looking at AI photos a lot lately.
04/24/2023 09:06:04 PM · #24
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:


One thing I don't see in any of these negative-slanted videos are suggested solutions. I suspect that any solutions or even attempted constraints would probably backfire in some horrifying unintended consequences. China is not going to restrain their development of AI and I don't imagine Russia is either, and neither is our beneviolent [sic] government. But then again, I am a hardened cynic.


I guess I'm a cynic too because I don't see a solution, either. It's just going to play out however it plays out.
04/25/2023 01:09:05 AM · #25
Even this thread backfired, I give this one up as well.

I also gave up on DPL. Time for a break.
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