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10/30/2022 02:39:24 AM · #1
Hi folks, Chris here
Iíve been considering getting back into photography after my several years absence. Some of you may remember me but itís been like 10 years and everything has changed. I sold my whole canon kit a few years ago (6D and many red rings).
Iíve gotten to a point where I have more time and Iím looking to get back into this crazy world, Iím looking for some suggestions for a Canon set up. I really liked my full frame DSLR, but Iíve seen some mirrorless options that may work. Iíd also consider a smaller compact camera or a solution from a different company (as long as itís not Nikon :D)
The important thing is that itís an adaptable system that doesnít break the bank. Iíd like to start off with just body + 50 or 35 Ö
Thanks for the tips

ETA: also sold my computer so editing is now done on an iPad. Not the same thing Ö 8-(

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10/30/2022 10:45:59 AM · #2
I remember you :-) Welcome back!

It'd be best if you gave us a target range, price-wise. "Breaking the bank" is a nebulous term. Everything costs a lot more now than it used to :-(
10/30/2022 11:02:47 AM · #3
The state of the art has advanced to where a 5-10 year old camera is still very capable in comparison with recent ones, and kit lenses have improved as well. I transitioned a few years ago from Canon APS-C to Micro 4/3. Until recently my cameras were all Ebay or pawn shop purchases with low shutter counts for about $300-350 USD for a body. Most people seem to upgrade to full frame, but I went the other direction. I travel a lot for work and ride a bicycle, so the portability of this system has been of huge benefit to me.

The micro 4/3 system has been around longer than the Canon mirrorless, so there may be some better bargains to be had with that system, if it interests you.

For super portability, I have a Canon G7X, which fits in a jersey pocket or in a small feed bag on my handlebars. My recent HM in long shadows was taken with it while riding at night.

Message edited by author 2022-10-30 11:04:56.
10/30/2022 11:50:42 AM · #4
So good to see you!!!

I've moved from Canon to Sony. Wasn't ever happy with the noise on Canon, and am loving the Sony. The thing that sucks with Sony is that the glass is pricey, though.

If you go used in mirrorless, make sure you do the research. The initial mirrorless (at least in Sony) sucked up batteries terribly. I had to have 6 batteries to get through a long day of wildlife shooting (3,000 photos?) I now can do it with 1-2 batteries. So while the early cameras are still really nice (I really liked the a6500, though it was crop sensor), you have the whole battery trade off.

Mirrorless is really quite nice. I like being able to preview before I shoot. If you have something backlit and are going to do +1 or +2EV, you don't have to guess. You dial in the overexposure and you see the result before you shoot. It saves a lot of time and chimping and easier to get things right in camera and not depend as heavily on post processing.

The dumb thing is -- being able to chimp through the eyepiece (as opposed to looking on the rear screen) is the best thing ever. I never could really see the back screen in sunlight. I can really see if I got the shot.
10/30/2022 11:57:15 AM · #5
So far this is exactly the type of info I need. Bear music - Iím thinking initial investment in the low hundreds then building up lenses from there. I wouldnít mind old cameras but as Wendy mentioned you have to do the research. I just wanna make sure if I do make an investment itís in a system that doesnít dead end in a couple years
10/30/2022 12:16:15 PM · #6
I'd prob look at the new RF-S, APS-C, EOS R10 $990 plus the fullframe 35 macro. Later you could also pick up a speedbooster to use with the fullframe lens on an APSC body. To regain the wider focal you'd get with a 35mm on an actual fullframe but still using an APS-C. Or wait on the new rumored EOS R or buy the original 2019 EOS R @$1600 or R6 for around $2400
10/30/2022 01:47:19 PM · #7
Originally posted by mrchhas:

I just wanna make sure if I do make an investment itís in a system that doesnít dead end in a couple years


Then you should probably stay away from the Canon M series cameras. At the time I bought mine it never dawned on me that within such a short space of time Canon would move to R series cameras with a crop sensor.

Originally posted by dmadden:

I'd prob look at the new RF-S, APS-C, EOS R10 $990 plus the fullframe 35 macro. Later you could also pick up a speedbooster to use with the fullframe lens on an APSC body.


I've read good things about the R10 and its big brother R7 (which has in-body stabilisation), but they're probably out of your price range. They sound like a better bet than anything I own including my recently acquired Olympus OM-D E-M5 III. By the time I bought that camera I knew the new Canons were coming, but I bought the Oly anyway partly for personal reasons and partly for a few features that Canon doesn't offer.

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10/30/2022 03:43:24 PM · #8
In the Canon mirrorless world, you would want to look at the EOS RP. 24 Mpx FF, an older generation mirrorless camera but still (for the moment) a current model. New $1250, available used for $950 or so. The other option would be the R10. Once again 24 Mpx, but APS-C. This is a brand-new model and is priced around $975. Since you came from a 6D, the AF performance on either of these would amaze. That's the story on mirrorless bodies in that price range. Lenses, well, that could get expensive, but there are great third-party options if you picked up an EF-to-RF adapter. No glass in the adaptor, it's just a spacer and electronic translator, so no optical degradation. Possibly the greatest thing about going mirrorless is that AF is done with the main sensor, so if focus is established, you pretty much know it is spot on, no wondering about focus offsets.
12/13/2022 12:03:38 PM · #9
Thank you so much to everyone that responded. I trust only site members for information like this!

Due to current availability and sales in my area, Iíve switched a bit my interests. I have been looking at the Sony A7 ii or the Sony A7iv. I can get them both at 0% interest so the cost per month is not so bad. I would assume the Mark ii would be great but since I can also get the Mark iv for just a little more per month Iím wondering if itís worth the difference. So the question would be: should I spend the extra for the mark iv, or would the mark ii be completely fine.

I feel bad leaving canon but unfortunately for the costs and availability Sony is winning right now. Plus as Wendy noted, Sonyís glass is apparently to die for.

I will note that Iím not a professional photographer anymore, but we all like our toys :-)
12/13/2022 01:50:25 PM · #10
Sony A7 II vs Sony A7 IV
12/14/2022 02:38:54 PM · #11
Gonna be a big difference in 2 generations, particularly with respect to AF performance. The IV has a couple of big advantages, namely dual card slots (though one is CF Express, which is an expensive card) and a mechanical shutter. The IV also shoots *much* faster bursts, with a very deep buffer, if that is important.
I will agree with Wendy that Sony is doing a great job with the optical quality of their lenses; that said, they are even less shy than Canon on lens pricing! On the flip side, there are plenty of really good third-party alternatives to some of the very expensive OEM glass. Sigma Art lenses come to mind.
12/14/2022 04:39:46 PM · #12
Yeah Iím leaning towards the IV just to future proof for many many years, overall it seems to be a great camera for almost everything. Of course every review Iíve seen compares to the Canon R6ii which would have been a sequential upgrade for me coming from the 6D so that confuses things. Plus i tried the Sony and they put the shutter button in the wrong spot :D
12/14/2022 04:58:02 PM · #13
The different ergonomics of the Sony would likely be a non-issue after some acclimation... frankly the R6 II is a good option as well, and might save you money in the long run as you would not need to replace your EF glass.
When I transitioned from EF to RF, I only replaced one lens immediately, that was my 24-70, and I only really did that as I had a good home for the EF lens (my son needed a standard zoom). I don't plan on replacing any other EF lenses in the near term, just use them with the adapter.
12/14/2022 06:26:18 PM · #14
I really didn't like the original a7. So I worry that the a7ii isn't good enough. I really liked my a7iii however.

12/14/2022 08:40:42 PM · #15
Originally posted by vawendy:

I really didn't like the original a7. So I worry that the a7ii isn't good enough. I really liked my a7iii however.

Hey! Careful, you're going to hurt my cameras feelings. :-)
12/14/2022 09:57:06 PM · #16
Completely random, but after spending a minute in the street gallery on your site, it looks like you'd do just fine with a Brownie or a Holga as loing as nobody's poked you in the eye with a sharp stick.

Welcome back.

Looking forward to seeing stuff from you.

My daughter got a deal on an older stock Sony a7Rii and loves it.

I would suggest figuring out who has what glass you most relate to and figure out the cheapest body that works with that glass if you're in test mode.

Then if you're ready to go all in you only have to get the latest and greatest body.

I wish someone would have said that to me a few thousand ago. LOL!
12/15/2022 12:11:27 AM · #17
Welcome back! I think I was just starting when you were just leaving. So great to see names from the Way Back Machine.

ETA
I suppose your equipment choices would also depend on the sort of photography you want to do.

Message edited by author 2022-12-15 00:11:58.
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