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08/29/2022 03:09:48 PM · #1
Remember our recent discussion of what should and should not be allowed in Expert challenges? There were proponents of the concept that no limitations whatsoever should be placed on our abilities to create images entirely in a computer, without personally captured photographic material serving as a basis. 3D-rendering is one way to produce photo-realistic images in a computer, but it is not the only one. It occurred to me that if this change to the Expert rules is ever accepted, what would stop anyone from using artificial intelligence-based image creating tools that only require a detailed textual description of what should be in the image and in what style it should be generated? A rapidly growing number of such software tools are now freely available for anyone to use, most notably, MidJourney. If you have not seen the images these systems are able to produce, check them out, they are pretty amazing. But allowing these image to compete in our challenges? I don't think so...

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08/29/2022 03:44:30 PM · #2
Yeh, some of those you'd have a hard time distinguishing from actual photos. I think we have pretty much all agreed that such content is not what DPC is about. One more reason to be very diligent about the provenance of originals.

ETA: I recently took an Adobe survey where they asked about exactly this kind of AI-based content creation.

Message edited by author 2022-08-29 15:45:11.
08/29/2022 03:49:55 PM · #3
We could have a challenge where people submit a description (up to 1,000 words) of their entry instead of a picture ... ;-)
08/29/2022 03:58:56 PM · #4
Great Galloping Gertie, that's astonishing!

IMO it has nothing whatsoever to do with what DPC is (a photography website) but it's absolutely astonishing what's being done.
08/30/2022 01:51:23 PM · #5
It's also generating many threads on DPC! lol
08/30/2022 02:18:55 PM · #6
That's true! I guess we are now the Luddites of the imaging world instead of the Vanguard, as we were in 2002 :-)
08/30/2022 03:17:22 PM · #7
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

That's true! I guess we are now the Luddites of the imaging world instead of the Vanguard, as we were in 2002 :-)


In a world of AI, digital is "old school"
08/30/2022 05:08:08 PM · #8
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

That's true! I guess we are now the Luddites of the imaging world instead of the Vanguard, as we were in 2002 :-)

Excuse me, but I think that should be Luddlites® ...
08/30/2022 06:59:49 PM · #9
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08/30/2022 07:17:29 PM · #10
ROFL!
08/30/2022 11:26:32 PM · #11
This is so amazing and I just can't imagine where the technology is going next. I certainly feel redundant as a photographer or artist.
08/30/2022 11:33:22 PM · #12
"With These Hands" (a short story) by Cyril M. Kornbluth anticipated all of this about 75 years ago -- I highly recommend it if you need something to cap off your Summer reading ... :-)
08/31/2022 02:26:44 PM · #13
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

That's true! I guess we are now the Luddites of the imaging world instead of the Vanguard, as we were in 2002 :-)


Originally posted by tanguera:

In a world of AI, digital is "old school"


I've been following the direction Nikon has taken with their mirrorless and from what I can glean, my D850 is the end of the DSLR line.

I was already feeling old being around some of my younger friends who all seem to have a compact little mirrorless tucked into some nook or pocket as I drag around my brick, but to hear it from the source that I'm a relic, well.....

Sigh....
08/31/2022 04:17:06 PM · #14
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

I've been following the direction Nikon has taken with their mirrorless and from what I can glean, my D850 is the end of the DSLR line.


I already knew I was a relic... no revelations there, LOL.
I've seen the same writing on the wall from Canon. Although they have not come right out and said it, I would be shocked to see any further releases of either DSLRs or EF lenses from Canon.
It's an interesting time to be living through, no doubt about that. We are witnessing the end of the 80-year reign of the SLR. Very rare to find a technology that dominated for so long, including a major technical/market upheaval (the transition to digital imaging).
08/31/2022 07:01:25 PM · #15
Originally posted by kirbic:

Very rare to find a technology that dominated for so long, including a major technical/market upheaval ...

Several years ago on the NPR radio program Car Talk they had a quiz: what car part is still in use unchanged for over 100 years?
08/31/2022 07:04:25 PM · #16
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by kirbic:

Very rare to find a technology that dominated for so long, including a major technical/market upheaval ...

Several years ago on the NPR radio program Car Talk they had a quiz: what car part is still in use unchanged for over 100 years?


The nut behind the wheel (The driver)?

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08/31/2022 08:00:41 PM · #17
Yes, but there's a serious answer as well -- I've even based an entry on it ... ;-)
08/31/2022 11:54:07 PM · #18
Originally posted by kirbic:

Very rare to find a technology that dominated for so long, including a major technical/market upheaval ...

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Several years ago on the NPR radio program Car Talk they had a quiz: what car part is still in use unchanged for over 100 years?

Good grief!

That could be hundreds of parts. For a lot of functions, not only are the parts unchanged, they're the only way they'll continue.

I'm so amused when I hear people talking about how cars are all computers now.

How horrified the average Joe, especially Americans, would be to discover that most of the technological advances make it harder for stupid, abusive, neglectful owner/drivers to beat the cars into the ground.

As someone who's been working on the efforts of these vehicle destroyers, it's not for lack of effort and neglect that they don't do more damage, the cars are just getting that much better at withstanding the abuse.
09/01/2022 01:17:57 AM · #19
This was more than a nut, bolt, spring or similar "component" item ... for example every car may have a fan belt, but over the years the composition and size have undoubtedly changed -- this was/is identical on every car ...
09/01/2022 11:25:57 AM · #20
Everything after the first sentence of this comment was written by AI. This comment was edited 3 times. . .

Posted by Bip atastatist at 9 :01 PM. . . . As a former military intelligence officer, I cannot even begin to comprehend how any rational person could even consider the suggestion of any kind of "back door" attack to the military's computer systems by terrorists. I don 't know if this is a hypothetical issue or a real one , but this is the kind of thing that I was raised to believe, and I was taught in college that this was the case.
09/01/2022 11:50:52 PM · #21
ok i used a relevant sentence so the AI would be on topic. It's only fair that we have AI's perspective on this.

Originally posted by "your computer overlord":

Photography is being replaced by computer generated art in our daily lives, and it is becoming more and more prevalent in our daily routine. These computers have been creating images for thousands of years and in that time have created art all over the world, in every region and time. We are living in an age of art that has only been surpassed by the computer age. Art is no longer just an artistic experience, but rather a technological experience. This is where we are heading , and we are not sure what to do about it.
09/01/2022 11:52:12 PM · #22
by the way, if AI can make images, then it should be a no-brainer to have AI vote and comment as well. We could really get our numbers up!
09/07/2022 11:12:29 AM · #23
Interesting and now there is a bit of an outcry concerning this:

"An AI-Generated Artwork Won First Place at a State Fair Fine Arts Competition, and Artists Are Pissed"

https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvmvqm/an-ai-generated-artwork-won-first-place-at-a-state-fair-fine-arts-competition-and-artists-are-pissed

Message edited by author 2022-09-07 11:12:45.
09/07/2022 04:27:02 PM · #24
Originally posted by ThingFish:

Interesting and now there is a bit of an outcry concerning this:

"An AI-Generated Artwork Won First Place at a State Fair Fine Arts Competition, and Artists Are Pissed"

https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvmvqm/an-ai-generated-artwork-won-first-place-at-a-state-fair-fine-arts-competition-and-artists-are-pissed

It's worth noting that the win was in the "Digital Art" Category. So the controversy isn't about the fact that it's a digital image, but rather over the amount of human input required/not required to create such images. The link is worth following to read a more complete discussion of what's going on.
09/07/2022 05:04:30 PM · #25
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

So the controversy isn't about the fact that it's a digital image, but rather over the amount of human input required/not required to create such images.

AI seems to have better "hand-eye coordination" than I do -- I can imagine such a picture but could never draw/paint it, even if I could describe it in greater detail than required by these programs.
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