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12/02/2021 12:43:22 AM · #1 |
| The former 4th place image in the Mentored "Still Lifes" challenge has been disqualified for failure to provide an original file in a timely manner. Congrats to our new HM! |
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12/02/2021 12:24:13 PM · #2 |
| Congrats, Lev! It's going to be hard catching you in the points and ribbons race if I accidentally deleted my originals! |
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12/02/2021 01:54:56 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Congrats, Lev! It's going to be hard catching you in the points and ribbons race if I accidentally deleted my originals! |
I couldn't believe it happened to you Wendy, it's usually a rookie's mistake! How could you delete the original, and irrecoverably at that? I usually copy my raw files into my computer and import them in the Lightroom, and never touch them again. And even when I delete files, they are still sitting in the trash bin for a long time, just in case i.change my mind ). |
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12/02/2021 04:38:12 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Congrats, Lev! It's going to be hard catching you in the points and ribbons race if I accidentally deleted my originals! |
Oh. That stinks, Wendy!
I doubt you'll catch Lev this year, though... He took off like a rocket from January 1st!
You'd need 185 points in the next few weeks to catch him.
I see you gunnin' for Larry, though! That's a tough battle going on for second place!
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12/02/2021 05:13:54 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by LevT:
Originally posted by vawendy:
Congrats, Lev! It's going to be hard catching you in the points and ribbons race if I accidentally deleted my originals! |
I couldn't believe it happened to you Wendy, it's usually a rookie's mistake! How could you delete the original, and irrecoverably at that? I usually copy my raw files into my computer and import them in the Lightroom, and never touch them again. And even when I delete files, they are still sitting in the trash bin for a long time, just in case i.change my mind ). |
It's the new camera -- it uses cfexpress type a cards, and lightroom doesn't see them as a card, it sees them as a hard drive. So I'm using photomechanic to cull, and then open in photoshop. So a couple of tiems now I've done all the work on the card without actually importing them into my hard disk. So then the original is still on the card, the photoshopped file is on the card, etc. And then I went on a trip to New Mexico and did a mass deletion of all my cards, figuring that I had everything downloaded.
What's even worse is that I submitted the original for that challenge, along with edges, and free study. So I thought I was good to go. But since it takes so long to upload, I just let them run in three separate windows in chrome. And it must not have worked, because none of those originals made it through. :(
Ah well -- I keep worrying that I'm going to end up doing this with work files. So it's a relatively painless way to learn my lesson. But it's so hard to change a work flow that you've used for years! I hope, rather, that lightroom starts recognizing those as cards not hard drives. |
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12/02/2021 06:19:24 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
It's the new camera -- it uses cfexpress type a cards, and lightroom doesn't see them as a card, it sees them as a hard drive. So I'm using photomechanic to cull, and then open in photoshop. So a couple of tiems now I've done all the work on the card without actually importing them into my hard disk. So then the original is still on the card, the photoshopped file is on the card, etc. And then I went on a trip to New Mexico and did a mass deletion of all my cards, figuring that I had everything downloaded.
What's even worse is that I submitted the original for that challenge, along with edges, and free study. So I thought I was good to go. But since it takes so long to upload, I just let them run in three separate windows in chrome. And it must not have worked, because none of those originals made it through. :(
Ah well -- I keep worrying that I'm going to end up doing this with work files. So it's a relatively painless way to learn my lesson. But it's so hard to change a work flow that you've used for years! I hope, rather, that lightroom starts recognizing those as cards not hard drives. |
Oh no, that's just too much of a bad luck! But why can't you first simply copy all the originals to your hard drive, and then import them into Photo Mechanic, Lightroom, or whatever? Then you can be sure you'll work on your home computer, not on your card. Actually, when I get home from a trip or a big shoot, I copy my originals on two hard drives just in case one of them fails, and later periodically sync them. |
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12/02/2021 09:59:19 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by LevT:
... I copy my originals on two hard drives just in case one of them fails, and later periodically sync them. |
I copy to a hard drive, but don't delete them from the card until they've been further copied to CD, another hard drive, etc. The general principle is to always have two copies on separate media ... |
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12/02/2021 10:00:14 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by LevT:
Originally posted by vawendy:
It's the new camera -- it uses cfexpress type a cards, and lightroom doesn't see them as a card, it sees them as a hard drive. So I'm using photomechanic to cull, and then open in photoshop. So a couple of tiems now I've done all the work on the card without actually importing them into my hard disk. So then the original is still on the card, the photoshopped file is on the card, etc. And then I went on a trip to New Mexico and did a mass deletion of all my cards, figuring that I had everything downloaded.
What's even worse is that I submitted the original for that challenge, along with edges, and free study. So I thought I was good to go. But since it takes so long to upload, I just let them run in three separate windows in chrome. And it must not have worked, because none of those originals made it through. :(
Ah well -- I keep worrying that I'm going to end up doing this with work files. So it's a relatively painless way to learn my lesson. But it's so hard to change a work flow that you've used for years! I hope, rather, that lightroom starts recognizing those as cards not hard drives. |
Oh no, that's just too much of a bad luck! But why can't you first simply copy all the originals to your hard drive, and then import them into Photo Mechanic, Lightroom, or whatever? Then you can be sure you'll work on your home computer, not on your card. Actually, when I get home from a trip or a big shoot, I copy my originals on two hard drives just in case one of them fails, and later periodically sync them. |
I’ve always used Lightroom to do my copying onto my hard disk. It would do the copying and import at the same time, and I wouldn’t have to create the new folder, copy, go to Lightroom and import.
I’m actually in a huge mess, at the moment. I tried to figure out a travel workflow with an iPad and an external hard drive, and I think I’ve messed up a lot of my photos. :(
So between Lightroom classic, Lightroom for iPad, Lightroom cc, plus photomechanics, I’m about to run away screaming. |
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12/02/2021 10:31:53 PM · #9 |
From a safety point of view, there's NO substitute for dragging/dropping originals into a folder tree on your HD then letting LR (or your program of choice) do the import from there. It's foolproof, easy to physically back up, has built-in redundancy...
Regarding drive v card, that's not an issue when you do it this way. My computer reads my phone as a drive, no problem. Your camera IS a drive as far as the pooter goes. But why do you download from the camera? It's much faster to use a good card reader dedicated to the task... |
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12/03/2021 10:34:50 AM · #10 |
I do use a card reader. My workflow used to be that I would import into lightroom -- which would then copy the files onto the specified place on my hard drive, arrange it by date, and then catalog it in Lightroom.
The new camera has caused a bunch of difficulties.
1. With 50mp, the files are twice as large as I'm used to.
2. with 30 fps, I'm taking WAY too many photos. I'm learning to do a better job at shooting selectively, but it was difficult for the 1st couple of months, because it was such a blast to shoot. :)
3. My hard drive is way too full, and I have to clean out space.
When I tried using the new cfexpress card in lightroom, since it saw it as a hard drive, and since you can't actually copy things from one drive to another in LR, it wanted to move the file off the card. I didn't want to do that. So I stopped using LR for the import.
I tried just copying the files onto the HD, but I was making mistakes. So I tried Photomechanics.
Photomechanics is pretty neat, because it's significantly faster than LR for importing and previewing. But it has many problems.
1. It doesn't seem to look for duplicates,
2. It reminds me of an old DOS program. Kind of klugy and missing basic things.
The main problem is that it's extremely convenient to go in to photomechanics, go through and rate the photos, and then import only the photos that are worthy. So if I take 2000 photos, I've rated them, and I'm only actually importing 200 or so on to my mostly full HD.
But what happens is that I go through, cull and rate, but then forget to do the "ingest" which copies it on to the hard drive. That's what I did with the still life photos. I went through, culled, rated, edited in photoshop, saved, and all of that happened on the cfexpress type A card.
I like the idea of this workflow -- since I think I probably took close to 10,000 photos on my trip to New Mexico. But I think it's taking way too many chances. I almost did the same thing last night when working on photos for work. I culled, forgot to "ingest" and did all my work on the card. It's fast and amazing, so there's no performance lags/clues to remind me that the photos haven't been transferred. So I obviously need to change my work flow.
But boy, I really wish that I could cull before import and only copy the keepers. :( |
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12/03/2021 10:57:47 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
...But why do you download from the camera? It's much faster to use a good card reader dedicated to the task... |
It can be, but with some of the more recent (especially the higher-end) cameras, there really is little or no difference, because the camera-to-pooter interface is so fast.
For *years* my M.O. was to use a card reader. I've quit doing that for the most part, because frankly it is just more convenient to connect the camera directly, and not all that much slower. For large transfers (read several hundred images) I still do use a reader.
ETA: but I *always* manually drag/drop to copy the files onto the hard drive prior to importing to Lr. As Bear posted, there are several extremely good reasons for doing so, not necessarily related to DPC "valid original" concerns.
Message edited by author 2021-12-03 11:00:04. |
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12/03/2021 11:12:29 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
It can be, but with some of the more recent (especially the higher-end) cameras, there really is little or no difference, because the camera-to-pooter interface is so fast.
For *years* my M.O. was to use a card reader. I've quit doing that for the most part, because frankly it is just more convenient to connect the camera directly, and not all that much slower. For large transfers (read several hundred images) I still do use a reader.
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This is a VERY good point, of which I hadn't considered. I was doing a complicated clear plastic on white background shoot for work, and even though it showed as overexposed (pure white) background on the camera, it was only 252,252,252 instead of 255, 255, 255. So I was going back and forth between the computer and the shoot multiple times. and so many times, it was "darn! I forgot to put the card back in the camera! (don't worry, I have it set so it doesn't shoot without the card. But if I never took the card out of the camera, I wouldn't have to put it back in the camera! :)
No, I don't shoot tethered yet, but I just got an ipad pro, so I should probably try it out. |
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12/03/2021 11:31:41 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
I do use a card reader. My workflow used to be that I would import into lightroom -- which would then copy the files onto the specified place on my hard drive, arrange it by date, and then catalog it in Lightroom.
The new camera has caused a bunch of difficulties.
1. With 50mp, the files are twice as large as I'm used to.
2. with 30 fps, I'm taking WAY too many photos. I'm learning to do a better job at shooting selectively, but it was difficult for the 1st couple of months, because it was such a blast to shoot. :)
3. My hard drive is way too full, and I have to clean out space.
When I tried using the new cfexpress card in lightroom, since it saw it as a hard drive, and since you can't actually copy things from one drive to another in LR, it wanted to move the file off the card. I didn't want to do that. So I stopped using LR for the import.
I tried just copying the files onto the HD, but I was making mistakes. So I tried Photomechanics.
Photomechanics is pretty neat, because it's significantly faster than LR for importing and previewing. But it has many problems.
1. It doesn't seem to look for duplicates,
2. It reminds me of an old DOS program. Kind of klugy and missing basic things.
The main problem is that it's extremely convenient to go in to photomechanics, go through and rate the photos, and then import only the photos that are worthy. So if I take 2000 photos, I've rated them, and I'm only actually importing 200 or so on to my mostly full HD.
But what happens is that I go through, cull and rate, but then forget to do the "ingest" which copies it on to the hard drive. That's what I did with the still life photos. I went through, culled, rated, edited in photoshop, saved, and all of that happened on the cfexpress type A card.
I like the idea of this workflow -- since I think I probably took close to 10,000 photos on my trip to New Mexico. But I think it's taking way too many chances. I almost did the same thing last night when working on photos for work. I culled, forgot to "ingest" and did all my work on the card. It's fast and amazing, so there's no performance lags/clues to remind me that the photos haven't been transferred. So I obviously need to change my work flow.
But boy, I really wish that I could cull before import and only copy the keepers. :( |
Doesn't your camera have a transfer program you can get online? I would think so.
And then, why not Adobe Bridge? You can use that for transfer and all kind of tasks. I use it all the time for viewing and selecting.
My flow is Card reader, Nikon transfer which creates new folder with date and number and then viewing/selecting/deleting in Bridge. |
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12/03/2021 11:42:12 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by HalldorIngi:
Originally posted by vawendy:
I do use a card reader. My workflow used to be that I would import into lightroom -- which would then copy the files onto the specified place on my hard drive, arrange it by date, and then catalog it in Lightroom.
The new camera has caused a bunch of difficulties.
1. With 50mp, the files are twice as large as I'm used to.
2. with 30 fps, I'm taking WAY too many photos. I'm learning to do a better job at shooting selectively, but it was difficult for the 1st couple of months, because it was such a blast to shoot. :)
3. My hard drive is way too full, and I have to clean out space.
When I tried using the new cfexpress card in lightroom, since it saw it as a hard drive, and since you can't actually copy things from one drive to another in LR, it wanted to move the file off the card. I didn't want to do that. So I stopped using LR for the import.
I tried just copying the files onto the HD, but I was making mistakes. So I tried Photomechanics.
Photomechanics is pretty neat, because it's significantly faster than LR for importing and previewing. But it has many problems.
1. It doesn't seem to look for duplicates,
2. It reminds me of an old DOS program. Kind of klugy and missing basic things.
The main problem is that it's extremely convenient to go in to photomechanics, go through and rate the photos, and then import only the photos that are worthy. So if I take 2000 photos, I've rated them, and I'm only actually importing 200 or so on to my mostly full HD.
But what happens is that I go through, cull and rate, but then forget to do the "ingest" which copies it on to the hard drive. That's what I did with the still life photos. I went through, culled, rated, edited in photoshop, saved, and all of that happened on the cfexpress type A card.
I like the idea of this workflow -- since I think I probably took close to 10,000 photos on my trip to New Mexico. But I think it's taking way too many chances. I almost did the same thing last night when working on photos for work. I culled, forgot to "ingest" and did all my work on the card. It's fast and amazing, so there's no performance lags/clues to remind me that the photos haven't been transferred. So I obviously need to change my work flow.
But boy, I really wish that I could cull before import and only copy the keepers. :( |
Doesn't your camera have a transfer program you can get online? I would think so.
And then, why not Adobe Bridge? You can use that for transfer and all kind of tasks. I use it all the time for viewing and selecting.
My flow is Card reader, Nikon transfer which creates new folder with date and number and then viewing/selecting/deleting in Bridge. |
Wireless transfer is still slow and not all that reliable, I've found.
I used to use bridge, but switched to lightroom, because even though bridge was great at culling, lightroom offered me the same options, but added so much more.
But I'm greatly appreciating people piping in on this. It's something that I struggle with for personal and for work. So I'm interested to find out what works for others. |
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12/03/2021 11:57:42 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by HalldorIngi:
Originally posted by vawendy:
I do use a card reader. My workflow used to be that I would import into lightroom -- which would then copy the files onto the specified place on my hard drive, arrange it by date, and then catalog it in Lightroom.
The new camera has caused a bunch of difficulties.
1. With 50mp, the files are twice as large as I'm used to.
2. with 30 fps, I'm taking WAY too many photos. I'm learning to do a better job at shooting selectively, but it was difficult for the 1st couple of months, because it was such a blast to shoot. :)
3. My hard drive is way too full, and I have to clean out space.
When I tried using the new cfexpress card in lightroom, since it saw it as a hard drive, and since you can't actually copy things from one drive to another in LR, it wanted to move the file off the card. I didn't want to do that. So I stopped using LR for the import.
I tried just copying the files onto the HD, but I was making mistakes. So I tried Photomechanics.
Photomechanics is pretty neat, because it's significantly faster than LR for importing and previewing. But it has many problems.
1. It doesn't seem to look for duplicates,
2. It reminds me of an old DOS program. Kind of klugy and missing basic things.
The main problem is that it's extremely convenient to go in to photomechanics, go through and rate the photos, and then import only the photos that are worthy. So if I take 2000 photos, I've rated them, and I'm only actually importing 200 or so on to my mostly full HD.
But what happens is that I go through, cull and rate, but then forget to do the "ingest" which copies it on to the hard drive. That's what I did with the still life photos. I went through, culled, rated, edited in photoshop, saved, and all of that happened on the cfexpress type A card.
I like the idea of this workflow -- since I think I probably took close to 10,000 photos on my trip to New Mexico. But I think it's taking way too many chances. I almost did the same thing last night when working on photos for work. I culled, forgot to "ingest" and did all my work on the card. It's fast and amazing, so there's no performance lags/clues to remind me that the photos haven't been transferred. So I obviously need to change my work flow.
But boy, I really wish that I could cull before import and only copy the keepers. :( |
Doesn't your camera have a transfer program you can get online? I would think so.
And then, why not Adobe Bridge? You can use that for transfer and all kind of tasks. I use it all the time for viewing and selecting.
My flow is Card reader, Nikon transfer which creates new folder with date and number and then viewing/selecting/deleting in Bridge. |
Wireless transfer is still slow and not all that reliable, I've found.
I used to use bridge, but switched to lightroom, because even though bridge was great at culling, lightroom offered me the same options, but added so much more.
But I'm greatly appreciating people piping in on this. It's something that I struggle with for personal and for work. So I'm interested to find out what works for others. |
What I mean, doesn't Sony have a transfer program like I have Nikon transfer? |
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12/03/2021 12:49:31 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by HalldorIngi:
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by HalldorIngi:
Originally posted by vawendy:
I do use a card reader. My workflow used to be that I would import into lightroom -- which would then copy the files onto the specified place on my hard drive, arrange it by date, and then catalog it in Lightroom.
The new camera has caused a bunch of difficulties.
1. With 50mp, the files are twice as large as I'm used to.
2. with 30 fps, I'm taking WAY too many photos. I'm learning to do a better job at shooting selectively, but it was difficult for the 1st couple of months, because it was such a blast to shoot. :)
3. My hard drive is way too full, and I have to clean out space.
When I tried using the new cfexpress card in lightroom, since it saw it as a hard drive, and since you can't actually copy things from one drive to another in LR, it wanted to move the file off the card. I didn't want to do that. So I stopped using LR for the import.
I tried just copying the files onto the HD, but I was making mistakes. So I tried Photomechanics.
Photomechanics is pretty neat, because it's significantly faster than LR for importing and previewing. But it has many problems.
1. It doesn't seem to look for duplicates,
2. It reminds me of an old DOS program. Kind of klugy and missing basic things.
The main problem is that it's extremely convenient to go in to photomechanics, go through and rate the photos, and then import only the photos that are worthy. So if I take 2000 photos, I've rated them, and I'm only actually importing 200 or so on to my mostly full HD.
But what happens is that I go through, cull and rate, but then forget to do the "ingest" which copies it on to the hard drive. That's what I did with the still life photos. I went through, culled, rated, edited in photoshop, saved, and all of that happened on the cfexpress type A card.
I like the idea of this workflow -- since I think I probably took close to 10,000 photos on my trip to New Mexico. But I think it's taking way too many chances. I almost did the same thing last night when working on photos for work. I culled, forgot to "ingest" and did all my work on the card. It's fast and amazing, so there's no performance lags/clues to remind me that the photos haven't been transferred. So I obviously need to change my work flow.
But boy, I really wish that I could cull before import and only copy the keepers. :( |
Doesn't your camera have a transfer program you can get online? I would think so.
And then, why not Adobe Bridge? You can use that for transfer and all kind of tasks. I use it all the time for viewing and selecting.
My flow is Card reader, Nikon transfer which creates new folder with date and number and then viewing/selecting/deleting in Bridge. |
Wireless transfer is still slow and not all that reliable, I've found.
I used to use bridge, but switched to lightroom, because even though bridge was great at culling, lightroom offered me the same options, but added so much more.
But I'm greatly appreciating people piping in on this. It's something that I struggle with for personal and for work. So I'm interested to find out what works for others. |
What I mean, doesn't Sony have a transfer program like I have Nikon transfer? |
Sony has Imaging Edge, which was simple, but effective — until they updated it. Now it is awful :(
I do hope the fix it, because it was pretty useful when it worked.
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12/03/2021 02:46:19 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
The main problem is that it's extremely convenient to go in to photomechanics, go through and rate the photos, and then import only the photos that are worthy. So if I take 2000 photos, I've rated them, and I'm only actually importing 200 or so on to my mostly full HD.
But what happens is that I go through, cull and rate, but then forget to do the "ingest" which copies it on to the hard drive. That's what I did with the still life photos. I went through, culled, rated, edited in photoshop, saved, and all of that happened on the cfexpress type A card.
I like the idea of this workflow -- since I think I probably took close to 10,000 photos on my trip to New Mexico. But I think it's taking way too many chances. I almost did the same thing last night when working on photos for work. I culled, forgot to "ingest" and did all my work on the card. It's fast and amazing, so there's no performance lags/clues to remind me that the photos haven't been transferred. So I obviously need to change my work flow.
But boy, I really wish that I could cull before import and only copy the keepers. :( |
I think you could simply add one more step to your workflow: after you have culled your photos in the CF card with PhotMechanics, and "ingest" them to your hard drive, always disconnect your camera/reader and import them from that hard drive folder into the Lightroom BEFORE doing any further Photoshop editing. Then you can be sure you are not editing on your card :). I almost always initiate Photoshop editing from Lightroom. Not only I know precisely which folder I am working in, I find it very convenient especially since the edited and saved JPEGs and PSD files are automatically imported into the same Lightroom catalog with the same keywords etc., which makes searching for them later much easier. |
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12/03/2021 03:56:08 PM · #18 |
All,
Remember that some of these transfer programs can and will invalidate JPEGs as originals (they tag them when they are opened and copied/moved). The best (and in fact usually the easiest) way is to just drag/drop using the operating system. In Windows, open two File Explorer windows, one on the card, the other on the hard drive in the desired destination. Highlight and drag/drop. The card on the camera should appear as attached storage under the device. That is how I transfer both from my 5D Mk IV and also from my 'phone, an old Samsung Galaxy S7. |
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12/03/2021 04:14:07 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by LevT:
Originally posted by vawendy:
The main problem is that it's extremely convenient to go in to photomechanics, go through and rate the photos, and then import only the photos that are worthy. So if I take 2000 photos, I've rated them, and I'm only actually importing 200 or so on to my mostly full HD.
But what happens is that I go through, cull and rate, but then forget to do the "ingest" which copies it on to the hard drive. That's what I did with the still life photos. I went through, culled, rated, edited in photoshop, saved, and all of that happened on the cfexpress type A card.
I like the idea of this workflow -- since I think I probably took close to 10,000 photos on my trip to New Mexico. But I think it's taking way too many chances. I almost did the same thing last night when working on photos for work. I culled, forgot to "ingest" and did all my work on the card. It's fast and amazing, so there's no performance lags/clues to remind me that the photos haven't been transferred. So I obviously need to change my work flow.
But boy, I really wish that I could cull before import and only copy the keepers. :( |
I think you could simply add one more step to your workflow: after you have culled your photos in the CF card with PhotMechanics, and "ingest" them to your hard drive, always disconnect your camera/reader and import them from that hard drive folder into the Lightroom BEFORE doing any further Photoshop editing. Then you can be sure you are not editing on your card :). I almost always initiate Photoshop editing from Lightroom. Not only I know precisely which folder I am working in, I find it very convenient especially since the edited and saved JPEGs and PSD files are automatically imported into the same Lightroom catalog with the same keywords etc., which makes searching for them later much easier. |
That's actually a good idea. I've been haphazardly working from photomechanic sometimes, and sometimes bringing it from there into lightroom. So I'm finding that my lightroom catalog isn't correct, and I'm running into some weird issues when trying to do it later. I'll give that a shot.
My biggest problem now is the photos I just took on my trip. Those you have to import from the card into the ipad in LR. But they hide the files. You can't just copy them from the ipad drive to the external drive. You have to export them from LR onto the external drive.
I did that.
Lightroom classic says the files are damaged and can't be read. That's the only copy I have. I haven't plugged it into the ipad to see if it can read it yet. I'm putting it off since I'm swamped with work.
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