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03/31/2021 06:17:46 PM · #26

Oh -- and if these are limited editions, how limited should they be?

03/31/2021 06:25:11 PM · #27

Oh -- and I definitely need to order business cards

03/31/2021 06:35:02 PM · #28

What sells the most at my Art Fairs (in mid-Michigan) are:
- Lighthouses and shoreline storm shots
- Old structures, especially on the waterfront
- Songbirds...Cardinals, Bluebirds, etc.
- Eagles, Hawks, Owls, Herons and Sandhill Cranes
- Bridges
- Some flower closeups
- Some butterflies
- Sunset shots, especially along the shoreline

Formats I sell the most of:
- 13"x19"prints in sleeves, with a foam backer board, for customer to mat and frame
- Gallery wrap canvas, primarily in 24x36 and 16x48 sizes
- New the last couple of years are high gloss prints on metal (aluminum), in sizes ranging up to 24x36

Hope this helps.

Message edited by author 2021-03-31 18:41:04.

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03/31/2021 06:51:36 PM · #29

Originally posted by Drake:

Also, if you have access to pro-panels - they make a very professional looking booth. Suggest, as others have said, that you have several larger pieces on display (not too tightly displayed) - that will pull people in. Make sure you have smaller sizes of the larger on-display images, that people can buy.

Skip

Canon EOS-1D X

03/31/2021 09:19:22 PM · #30

Exactly this!

Originally posted by Drake:

Formats I sell the most of:
- 13"x19"prints in sleeves, with a foam backer board, for customer to mat and frame
- Gallery wrap canvas, primarily in 24x36 and 16x48 sizes
- New the last couple of years are high gloss prints on metal (aluminum), in sizes ranging up to 24x36

that 13x19 would be the minimum to have out on display. 8x10, even 11x14, tend to look more bargain baseemnty rather than high-end.

if you're looking for prices, visit some reputable art galleries in person or online, or look up some fine art photographer. honestly compare your work to theirs and price accordingly.

Sony DT 18-70mm f/3.5-5.6 Aspherical ED Zoom Lens for Sony Alpha

04/01/2021 10:20:40 AM · #31

Originally posted by Skip:

Exactly this!

Originally posted by Drake:
Formats I sell the most of:
- 13"x19"prints in sleeves, with a foam backer board, for customer to mat and frame
- Gallery wrap canvas, primarily in 24x36 and 16x48 sizes
- New the last couple of years are high gloss prints on metal (aluminum), in sizes ranging up to 24x36

that 13x19 would be the minimum to have out on display. 8x10, even 11x14, tend to look more bargain baseemnty rather than high-end.

if you're looking for prices, visit some reputable art galleries in person or online, or look up some fine art photographer. honestly compare your work to theirs and price accordingly.

Ooooh!!! Thanks, guys! This feeds in to what I was feeling. I ordered a few metal prints for myself awhile back, and they were around 8x10 11x14 sizes, and when I got them, they were so disappointing. Don't get me wrong, they were beautiful, but they were so small!! It was kind of like having a great photo and having to go back to the DPC 800px on the long end, feeling.

Couple of questions -- I haven't printed anything large in about 20 years. I've only printed a handful of small, metallic prints.

Questions:

1. How do you get ready to print large prints? (metallic, regular prints, or other types)

a. Do you print out small versions in the same format first? (8x10 metal, 8x10 high gloss paper, etc.)
b. My un-cropped originals show up as 16"x25" at 240 pixels/in but of course most of my photos are cropped in, some quite a bit. How do you know how large you can safely go?
c. Do you use anything like topaz gigapixel to upsize? I downloaded a version, and it looks like it may do a really cool job.

2. Actually -- I need any input on printing that I can get. I know nothing about it. I'm going to go watch a couple of Scott Kelby tutorials to see what they say, but if you have advice on what has worked, or better yet what really doesn't work, I'd appreciate the help.

I want to re-iterate how extremely helpful this has been. In looking at the different options of what I can do, it's really helped me figure out what direction I want to go. I want to have large prints, at art prices. Even though my stuff isn't particular art in people's minds, I want to be thought of that way -- not as a photographer with hundreds of prints for people to flip through and have way too much to look at.

I like the idea of some photobooks -- maybe like a coffee table type to again look more professional than just a flip book. I could also have a laptop with a slide show.

Awesome!!

Keep the ideas coming! I never would have made it this far on my own!

posthumous

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

04/01/2021 11:05:12 AM · #32

Originally posted by Drake:

What sells the most at my Art Fairs (in mid-Michigan) are:
- Lighthouses and shoreline storm shots
- Old structures, especially on the waterfront
...
- Sunset shots, especially along the shoreline

I think Drake is already implying this, but I want to stress it. Something like a lighthouse will sell better if you're in a location that is known for lighthouses. In other words, think local attractions. People at an event in such and such a location want photography and art that reflects that location.

nam

Sony DSLR-A580

04/01/2021 12:10:30 PM · #33

Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by Drake:
What sells the most at my Art Fairs (in mid-Michigan) are:
- Lighthouses and shoreline storm shots
- Old structures, especially on the waterfront
...
- Sunset shots, especially along the shoreline

I think Drake is already implying this, but I want to stress it. Something like a lighthouse will sell better if you're in a location that is known for lighthouses. In other words, think local attractions. People at an event in such and such a location want photography and art that reflects that location.

Though most of my advice was obviously "off" in terms of what you are aiming for, this ties well to what I meant when I said "As far as subject matter, in general, places sell better than anything else for me."

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

04/01/2021 01:15:47 PM · #34

You can usually get an acceptable result printing as low as 150ppi (maybe even 100ppi for canvas) -- 300ppi is usually considered the maximum you need.

What you might try is printing a small print at the resolution you plan to print large to see whether your planned resolution works for that particular image. Images with a lot of detail will usually need a higher resolution ...

I haven't used any of the dedicated up-sizing programs; the ads I've seen look pretty good, but you probably won't need them unless you are enlarging to more than about 125-150% of the original.

Personally, I'm willing to add a border to get to a standard print size rather than cropping if the image doesn't "fit" as-is (e.g non-standard aspect ratio).

Skip

Canon EOS-1D X

Canon EF 300mm f/2.8L IS USM

04/01/2021 02:44:40 PM · #35

as for printing, I have a dyesub printer that i prefer over anything else, mainly for its 1) consistency, 2) speed, and 3) relatively low cost. 8x10/12 are a buck and take a minute to print; 5x7 are 50 cent and take 30 seconds. they are more than close enough for me when I compare what I see on my screen and what comes out - as well as when I send stuff to a lab.

I've done some samples on metal. they're nice, but don't blow me away. canvas is my go-to. if it's something I want to see on my wall, I usually 16x20; if I really like it, I'll go 24x36.

whatever it is that I'm printing, I export from Lightroom at 300dpi with the file size capped at 2 MB. while I've never needed to go larger than that, you can export insanely large files if you feel it necessary.

a friend of mine owns a gallery. he told me about an artist that he showed that brought in huge prints (6x8 foot) and priced at $3-4,000. nobody bought those. but she also had a stack of 8x10s of her large prints that sold for $25 all day long. lured in by the large one, making bank with the smaller ones. not a bad strategy.

good luck!

NikonJeb

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 28-300mm f3.5-5.6G ED VR

04/01/2021 03:38:06 PM · #36

Def Icarus!

I'm just gonna tag along after Skip and throw in my two cents on his well chosen points. I have found from a few years of doing various venues that he's spot on.

Originally posted by Skip:

this can be a lot of fun if you go into it expecting nothing more than having fun. any sales you make are just gravy.

This is paramount. There is absolutely *no* silver bullet. The only thing more fickle than the American retail buying public is the American retail ART buying public. Expect nothing and you can't be disappointed. Then every sale is a gift and a blessing.

Originally posted by Skip:

you want to show things that really stand out, that are unique to you, that people really can't get anywhere but from you.

Another terrific point. My opinion? Your birds. You know I've been here a week or two....Portraits? Librodo. Street? Pawdrix. Insanely cool bugs? Roz. European village? jagar. Northern lights? The Icelanders. Birds? Wendy.

Did I mention you should take Icarus???

LARGE prints are much better and small, and only a handful (5-8) on display at a time makes it appear even more exclusive. [/quote]

I got to a point, and IMO you are at that point, where what you want to convey, and the way you want it to be realized/visualized, *IS* big. Everybody and their brother has access to small, high quality prints that look decent. I don't print anything smaller than 16x20 any more. My "quick & dirty" commercial pablum is all $100 canvas prints @ 16x20s. The bigger the better for separating your work from Uncle Bill and his camera. You want the quality of your images to be the appeal and bigger is better. Less to carry & fight with as well. Plus, and as much as I hate to say it, the larger stuff weeds out a lot of riff-raff. You want to be more exclusive.

Originally posted by Skip:

10x10 is standard and not a whole lot of space, unless you get really creative. look on pinterest for creative art booth spaces for idea one of the coolest i've seen was set up like a small sitting room, outfitted with a settee, coffee table, end table, lamps, etc. the artist had a couple coffee table book/catalogues of other works, and a few stacks of square 3.5" takeaway prints. the "visitors" were able to get a sense of how the imagery could work in a room.

Even if you don't quite get the sitting room thing together, some kind of semi-solid table and one chair for yourself is necessary. A laptop & Jetpack are a really good idea. You can use your Smartphone as a mobile hotspot if you're not sure if you're going to do this further, but phones don't like to be tied up for hours as a hotspot. Just turn it on for purchases. The Jetpack will be helpful for your online gallery. Just make up a slideshow.

Originally posted by Skip:

you have to have the ability to process orders on site.

PayPal. It's an old standard, and with the app, PayPal here, or their various readers, it takes all standard plastic. You will get millennials telling you you need the latest app they're using this week......thank them and apologize for not using it today, and never add their apps. There are a million of them out there and who needs all that extra clutter. PayPal and standard plastic is fine. (Cash works too! LOL!)

Originally posted by Skip:

you would also want to have a complete catalog of images available for sale online since you can't bring everything to the show.

I don't know how much time you have between now and the show, but if you don't have a ton, and don't already do online sales, I'd suggest just doing a slideshow of the pics that just barely fell short of being the ones you chose to print. Work the catalog over time.

Originally posted by Skip:

another consideration when picking your prints is how they will decorate your home if they don't sell at the show. (i personally don't print anything that i wouldn't want to see large on my own walls, but that's may be just me.)

Another VERY important point! Nothing will annoy you more than if you print something you wouldn't hang on your own walls that won't sell. I made it a policy that I would never special order a print for someone without a deposit to at least cover my costs in it. That way, if you get stuck with it, at least it's a wash. I actually have a couple images that I like so much that as soon as I sell a copy, I get it reprinted. Having been doing this for a little, I have some that I know sell. And it's because of what Skip said earlier about area specific & one's strengths. I sell bridge pics like crazy 'cause of the bridges here.

Originally posted by Skip:

just like anything else, how you present yourself tells people how much you value your work. if you cheap out on your space, you can't really hope to sell for decent prices. on the other hand, if you invest in your space, you can comfortably ask for gallery prices (which should be the goal). your best bet is to look at this as the first of many, not just a one-time deal. all the same, put as much into it as you can upfront rather than going into it low with the plan of adding on in the future. keep in mind, ALL OF THIS is tax deductible; if you spend 2-3k on prints and booth set up, 100% of that will be a schedule c business expense (and if you don't want to take my word for it, just ask your accountant...)

I want to offer up a slightly different approach. I did various venues: art shows, craft shows, various area celebrations, (i.e.Town Centennial) Holiday events, galleries. I would to a certain extent keep an eye on your spending 'til you figure out whether or not this scenario is for you. To succeed, you will have to travel, there's attrition with that....droppage, weather incidents, and some you can't imagine 'til they happen. There are scheduling nightmares. You have X weekend in June.....which of the three shows that you've done before and liked, do you do this time since this year they all coincide? Your life will belong to your business......every decent weekend, the ones that aren't, and those crapppy weekends cost the same when nobody shows up 'cause it's raining. That's the shows. Galleries? Coffeehouses? How much stock do you have and do you want? NOT trying to discoutage you, but I wish I would have thought some of these issues before I spent some of the days I did. It's not for everyone. I am much happier having a gallery.

Originally posted by Skip:

good luck and have fun! regardless of what you do, i hope you come home with less than you take.

I will sure as heck echo that! If you like people, you pretty much can't have a bad time at an event. You'll no doubt make a couple of friends,, pick up some info about materials or services, and juat in general be glad you went. Unless it flat out pours! LOL!

Originally posted by Skip:

[eta: when making your picks, really do be thinking about what people would want to see on their walls. this is a semi-permanent decision, something they may see every day for a number of years. it's not a matter of what strikes your fancy in a digital slide deck, but what is going to cut it in the real world. think about what you've seen in professional offices, better hotels, nicer homes...and let that guide you more than anything else. do you see darker or lighter art on people's walls? more black and white or bright colors? somber or cheery? also, think about how your clients' guest will react to their purchase; will it be something they envy or will they be wondering "what were they thinking when they bought that?!?" now, keep in mind, if you are selling small prints at giveaway prices, none of this matters. on the other hand, if you are selling LARGE prints for serious money, all of this matters ;-) ]

Don't sweat all of this too much. These points are more relevant down the road. If you discover you like it, then the more work you do for yourself, the better your results. Don't forget to take pics and show us!

NikonJeb

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 28-300mm f3.5-5.6G ED VR

04/01/2021 03:42:30 PM · #37

Originally posted by Skip:

a friend of mine owns a gallery. he told me about an artist that he showed that brought in huge prints (6x8 foot) and priced at $3-4,000. nobody bought those. but she also had a stack of 8x10s of her large prints that sold for $25 all day long. lured in by the large one, making bank with the smaller ones. not a bad strategy.

good luck!

6x8 feet? On canvas?

I have a 4 foot by 7'3" 'cause 54" the one way was all the bigger canvas that fit on his quarter million dollar printer.

The image file is 6' x 11'

Deets, man, deets!

I sell my area specific $100 16 x 20s quite regularly.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

04/01/2021 06:04:14 PM · #38

So, Jeb, is the $100 your printing cost or what you charge? I was going to go through whcc. I've never tried canvas before. What things work better on canvas? It seems like my birds might be clearer metal.

Oohh!!! I can do velvet prints! Bring on the dogs playing poker!!

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

04/01/2021 06:33:25 PM · #39

Originally posted by vawendy:

Oohh!!! I can do velvet prints! Bring on the dogs playing poker!!

"I'll see your anchovy and raise you six eels."

04/01/2021 10:00:09 PM · #40

Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by Skip:
Exactly this!

Originally posted by Drake:
Formats I sell the most of:
- 13"x19"prints in sleeves, with a foam backer board, for customer to mat and frame
- Gallery wrap canvas, primarily in 24x36 and 16x48 sizes
- New the last couple of years are high gloss prints on metal (aluminum), in sizes ranging up to 24x36

that 13x19 would be the minimum to have out on display. 8x10, even 11x14, tend to look more bargain baseemnty rather than high-end.

if you're looking for prices, visit some reputable art galleries in person or online, or look up some fine art photographer. honestly compare your work to theirs and price accordingly.

Ooooh!!! Thanks, guys! This feeds in to what I was feeling. I ordered a few metal prints for myself awhile back, and they were around 8x10 11x14 sizes, and when I got them, they were so disappointing. Don't get me wrong, they were beautiful, but they were so small!! It was kind of like having a great photo and having to go back to the DPC 800px on the long end, feeling.

Couple of questions -- I haven't printed anything large in about 20 years. I've only printed a handful of small, metallic prints.

Questions:

1. How do you get ready to print large prints? (metallic, regular prints, or other types)

a. Do you print out small versions in the same format first? (8x10 metal, 8x10 high gloss paper, etc.)

I almost always can tell the quality of the image by looking at on the computer screen...at 100%. I then usually print it on a 13x19 print for print racks at my shows. If the 13x19 looks good, and I think the subject will be of interest to my buyers, I either print it myself (I have an Epson 9890 44" printer) on canvas for my 24x36 size or 16x48 size. I have been getting lazy lately, and have my canvas's printed and stretched by CG Pro prints (they do a good job). The last year or so I have experimented with different size metal prints. The problem with metal is the price point is pretty high. For now I have settled on my bird shots to be on the 11x14 metal (8x10 was just too small) - I also print some in the 12x36 size for the larger birds like eagles or swans. For my landscape and other images - I originally printed on the 24x36 size metal - but they were a bit pricy for most of my customers - so I am now trying the 16x24 size and some 20x30 size. I currently use CG Pro Prints and Aluminyze for metal prints.
Drake

b. My un-cropped originals show up as 16"x25" at 240 pixels/in but of course most of my photos are cropped in, some quite a bit. How do you know how large you can safely go?

My uncropped images are about 8200 x 5500 pixels/in at about 130 meg each. I have printed on canvas with good results up to 36x48" size - could probably go larger but have not tried (real hassle transporting these large canvas's).
Drake

c. Do you use anything like topaz gigapixel to upsize? I downloaded a version, and it looks like it may do a really cool job.

I shoot in RAW format, and use Photoshop for my editing and conversion to TIFF format.
Drake

2. Actually -- I need any input on printing that I can get. I know nothing about it. I'm going to go watch a couple of Scott Kelby tutorials to see what they say, but if you have advice on what has worked, or better yet what really doesn't work, I'd appreciate the help.

What printer do you have? I always let Photoshop control the color in the print setup - and select the highest quality setting. For photo paper I use Epson Ultra Premium Photo Paper - Luster.

I want to re-iterate how extremely helpful this has been. In looking at the different options of what I can do, it's really helped me figure out what direction I want to go. I want to have large prints, at art prices. Even though my stuff isn't particular art in people's minds, I want to be thought of that way -- not as a photographer with hundreds of prints for people to flip through and have way too much to look at.

I like the idea of some photobooks -- maybe like a coffee table type to again look more professional than just a flip book. I could also have a laptop with a slide show.

Awesome!!

Keep the ideas coming! I never would have made it this far on my own!

Message edited by author 2021-04-01 22:13:21.

Canon EF 300mm f/2.8L IS USM

04/01/2021 10:05:04 PM · #41

Originally posted by posthumous:

Agree - most of my shows are along or near the Lake Michigan shoreline!
Drake

Message edited by author 2021-04-01 22:05:14.

Skip

Canon EOS-1D X

04/05/2021 06:20:26 AM · #42

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by Skip:

a friend of mine owns a gallery. he told me about an artist that he showed that brought in huge prints (6x8 foot) and priced at $3-4,000. nobody bought those. but she also had a stack of 8x10s of her large prints that sold for $25 all day long. lured in by the large one, making bank with the smaller ones. not a bad strategy.

good luck!

6x8 feet? On canvas?

I have a 4 foot by 7'3" 'cause 54" the one way was all the bigger canvas that fit on his quarter million dollar printer.

The image file is 6' x 11'

Deets, man, deets!

i'll have to ask him, but i'm guessing it was probably framed. and i'm guessing it was printed on something like this (which may be out of reach for us mere mortals, but still is under 10K ;-) )

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

I sell my area specific $100 16 x 20s quite regularly.

you may consider tiering your prices by selecting a handful of your more special images and bumping their prices. you know some of them are more unique and meaningful - and consequently should be valued more highly :D

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two things i've said all along: i love getting paid because it means my client loves my work enough to part with cold, hard cash. it doesn't cost anything for someone to say they like or love something, but when they are willing to pay for it, you know there really mean it. and 2), when you make it real and put it on the wall, it will have so much more permanence in your life than all those imprisoned pixels gathering digital dust, rarely lighting up a device screen.

04/05/2021 07:50:20 AM · #43

I hear what you're saying about the area, but that plays most to landscapes -- and my landscapes are my least favorite. I am picking a couple from Colonial Williamsburg, which is part of the historic triangle (the show is in another part). I may consider going to Yorktown battle field and doing a ghost shot -- The canons in the field, and then ghosting someone. But I don't know anyone in historic garb, so I'd have to see if they're still doing any of the events during covid.

I think I'll stick to what I have. I'm so pushed for time as it is -- less than a month to go and I still need to print things!

04/05/2021 07:53:27 AM · #44

Speaking of printing --

What do you do before you print a large canvas, metal, other print? They're so pricey and I want to get them right to begin with. If you're doing a 16x20 metal or canvas, do you do a 16x20 regular high gloss print from the same place first? I really don't want to have to pay for something that I needed to adjust more. I don't make many prints, but I do know that they have a tendency to be a bit dark, so I'll lighten them up a bit.

What do you do to prepare for printing?

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 24-70 f2.8 L IS

04/05/2021 07:55:59 AM · #45

Wendy,
Take a small area of the image that represents the more difficult printing challenges, and print that at the same scale. An 8x10 is more than enough. Now you have a good idea of the colors and detail you can expect in the final print, at a reasonable cost.

Sony DT 18-70mm f/3.5-5.6 Aspherical ED Zoom Lens for Sony Alpha

04/05/2021 08:07:17 AM · #46

Originally posted by kirbic:

That's a good idea -- and I think someone mentioned that earlier and I had forgotten.

Oh -- if it's metal, do you print small sample on metal, or is a regular print close enough to check?

How important is sharpness?

What I mean by that is: Back in the days of slides, I took a photo of a scottish castle ruin that I absolutely loved. That's the only photo that I've printed large -- which might have been 16x20 or perhaps even 20x30.

Anyway, I was incredibly disappointed because it was a bit soft. But that was looking at it really closely. Once I hung it on the wall anyway, it looked perfectly fine, because you stand back a bit when looking at large artwork.

Will I be being too harsh if I look at my 8x10 and find it a bit softer than I'd like?

Message edited by author 2021-04-05 09:02:46.

nam

Sony DSLR-A580

04/05/2021 10:50:46 AM · #47

Originally posted by vawendy:

If you're not having them printed locally, you need to get on the stick. Shipping is outrageous these days and is taking forever and a day. (I just ordered a pair of jeans from Lee's and they offered me free shipping if I was willing to wait 30 days for the order LOL)

MPix used to do mine and I was always happy.

But I'd say you'd be happiest working with a local printer if you can.

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 24-70 f2.8 L IS

04/05/2021 11:20:50 AM · #48

Wendy,
You *could* print it on metal, however it may not be a necessity. You want the same printing process, so you can evaluate both color and resolution, but you don't necessarily need the same substrate. The direct-to-metal printing processes can be different from printing on paper, and if that is the case then there is benefit to printing on that substrate.
Regarding the importance of sharpness, that is up to you. Some of the most stunning large prints I have seen are as stunning as they are because they do maintain high detail when viewed close-up. A print of a small section will reveal this.

posthumous

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

04/05/2021 02:11:01 PM · #49

I was hoping someone else with more experience would talk about this, but since no one has volunteered yet, I'd better bring it up. An important part of the art world that we've been ignoring so far is the "installation." The "installation" has been at the forefront of the art industry since the 60's, with the Fluxus movement and so on. You may not have heard of Fluxus, but you've heard of its most famous artist, Yoko Ono. In fact, John Lennon met Yoko Ono at one of her installations.

As a photographer, you will probably want to incorporate photos into your installation. I would recommend an event or a "happening" which you would document with photographs. So, for example, you could put Mo in a terrarium and drape raw chicken cutlets on top of him while clucking like a chicken. Of course, this is just a basic example. You'll surely come up with a more creative and elaborate event. These installations often involve audience participation. so, for example, you could have your husband pour spices into people's hands and instruct them to walk over to the terrarium and dump the spices on chicken-covered Mo.

Now, simply photographing this event might not do enough to forefront photography, so you might consider strapping a GoPro to Mo. You might also set up a projection screen behind this installation and project the pictures from Mo's GoPro.

Not all installations are titled, but you could actually use the title to give you more ideas. For example, you could line the terrarium floor with Lay's potato chips before you put Mo in it. Then the title of your installation could be Chicken Mo Lay

At this point, you might be wondering how to make money from an installation. Once you've generated publicity, and I guarantee you will at least make the local papers with this exhibition, you'll be able to charge a venue to recreate this installation or do a new one. Some installation artists don't even go to their installations. They just send instructions to the venue. The venue pays YOU but THEY do everything. This is of course the end goal of any artist.

Good luck!