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03/19/2021 05:21:23 AM · #1
For those who are wondering, like I was, about the addition "From Oz to Kansas" to the diptych challenge description, I found this book description below.
So this addition seems to a stimulus to be creative in the black and white conversion. It does not prescribe a subject or anything else.

From Oz to Kansas: Almost Every Black and White Conversion Technique Known to Man
The ability to create a stunning black and white image remains one of photography’s greatest and most aspirational skills. Being able to "see" in black and white is an enviable capability, and a well-crafted black and white photograph remains the finest of the fine arts. Master photographer Vincent Versace has spent his career teaching the art of perception and how to translate it into extraordinary black and white images. In From Oz to Kansas: Almost Every Black and White Conversion Technique Known to Man, Versace discusses digital black and white photography–with a nod to traditional film-based techniques. As Versace states, today the goal is "to use what was right and good about silver photography, leaving behind what was limiting, and use what is right and good about digital photography, while avoiding its pitfalls. This is what this book is all about." The reason you must learn "almost every black and white conversion technique known to man" is because, depending on the image–and your goals for it–there are many paths you can take in order to arrive at your final destination. Working through Versace’s techniques will give you the essential knowledge you need, as well as the ability to select the appropriate conversion technique for any image, allowing you to create a black and white image that best and most accurately reflects what you felt at the moment that you pressed the shutter. Foreword by Dr. Richard Zakia, Professor Emeritus, Rochester Institute of Technology Afterword by John Fraser, Chef and Proprietor, Dovetail Restaurant, New York amazon.com
Author: Vincent Versace
First published: 31 jul. 2012
03/19/2021 01:34:29 PM · #2
thank you ' . substr('https://www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('https://www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' willem, it is an interesting metaphor.

I have a question about the challenge: can the B&W version be flipped compared to the color? It could open some interesting possibilities
03/19/2021 01:58:08 PM · #3
Good question -- it depends on how one interprets the phrase "same image" ...

You will need more than one opinion, but personally I would vote to allow a mirror image configuration.
03/19/2021 03:34:56 PM · #4
"From Oz to Kansas" seems to be a reference to the movie, "The Wizard of Oz." Remember how the film goes from black and white in Kansas, to color in Oz, and back to black and white when Dorothy returns to Kansas? Or am I stating the obvious and people out there are going, "Duh?"
03/19/2021 03:40:25 PM · #5
Following the discussion we had recently about definition of standard editing, my interpretation is that flipping an image is allowed.
03/19/2021 04:15:11 PM · #6
Originally posted by willem:

Following the discussion we had recently about definition of standard editing, my interpretation is that flipping an image is allowed.
I understand it is allowed in general, but in this case the description says "the same image"... I guess it wouldn't be a reason for DQ, but I wonder how voters will view it...
03/19/2021 04:25:53 PM · #7
Originally posted by LevT:

Originally posted by willem:

Following the discussion we had recently about definition of standard editing, my interpretation is that flipping an image is allowed.
I understand it is allowed in general, but in this case the description says "the same image"... I guess it wouldn't be a reason for DQ ...

In this case the phrase also appears in the Special Rules section, so if the flip is deemed illegal it would be a DQable offense.

It's only been three hours since the question was posed -- how about waiting a day or two for a more definitive (and "official") ruling?
03/19/2021 09:22:45 PM · #8
The SC consensus is that mirroring/flipping an image would not be a DQable offense.
03/20/2021 11:36:21 AM · #9
Originally posted by markwiley:

The SC consensus is that mirroring/flipping an image would not be a DQable offense.


Well done!!

I think the image is the same image... just flipped.

It's not a different image.

Thanks for the clarification. I've yet to begin thinking about this challenge, but it sounds like fun!
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