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09/21/2020 05:27:37 PM · #1
I'm so confused. I finally purchased the equipment to color calibrate my monitor. And now I'm completely confused.

When I opened a photo in lightroom and in photoshop, they didn't match. Lightroom was dull and lifeless, photoshop looked good.

I restarted both. Now they're both dull and lifeless. I'm assuming that's actually the color corrected version, but I'm really lost as to whether that's really what it looks like or if things just have the wrong color wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff?

I'm lost. :(
09/21/2020 05:36:33 PM · #2
Ok -- it's getting worse.

When I upload it to the web, it looks saturated and different. I was hoping that calibrating would help me know what it TRULY was. I don't even know what's real anymore. Before calibration, at least it was the same across the different programs. :(
09/21/2020 06:09:18 PM · #3
"Welcome" to the world of color-management. Someone who knows more about the details should be along shortly, but basically you'll have to change some settings in PH and LR to account for the changes in monitor output. I think there about three settings which can affect how an image displays and prints, and they all have to "agree" or you'll have a mess.

Back when I first was using a transparency scanner (just before Adobe bought Photoshop) the guy who trained me said to never trust the monitor, but to use the values in the "Info" window to know what color actually was at that spot.

Sorry I can't be more help ...
09/21/2020 06:53:19 PM · #4
Originally posted by GeneralE:

"Welcome" to the world of color-management. Someone who knows more about the details should be along shortly, but basically you'll have to change some settings in PH and LR to account for the changes in monitor output. I think there about three settings which can affect how an image displays and prints, and they all have to "agree" or you'll have a mess.

Back when I first was using a transparency scanner (just before Adobe bought Photoshop) the guy who trained me said to never trust the monitor, but to use the values in the "Info" window to know what color actually was at that spot.

Sorry I can't be more help ...


That's just it -- the calibration software changed my default profile in windows, so actually lightroom and photoshop seem to be using the new (and boring) profile.

however, chrome seems to be using something completely different -- the old, more vibrant profile.

But if I were to adjust the photo according to the new profile that photoshop is using, then the chrome would be saturated, loud and obnoxious. And who knows what other people are using, so how do I know WHAT to adjust things to?? I didn't expect to be so incredibly confused. :(
09/21/2020 07:30:57 PM · #5
Originally posted by vawendy:

I didn't expect to be so incredibly confused. :(

Oh, you must have missed the other 3,426 (approx.) threads on color management woes ... :-(

There are folks here who can (probably) help, but I don't want to commit them (for this project at least!).

ETA: It will probably give "them" a headstart if you list the monitor type, operating system, and the calibration hardware/software/method used ...

Message edited by author 2020-09-21 19:32:43.
09/21/2020 09:14:26 PM · #6
Open Ps, and load one of the "dull" images...

Next, open the Edit>Color Settings:
- What is the RGB Working Space listed?
- What is setting under RGB for Color Management Policies?

Finally, Click Edit>Convert to Profile:
- What is the Source Space listed?
- Click "Cancel" 'cause you don't really want to do the conversion now.

Once we have the answers to these questions, we may be able to guide you as to where the problem lies.
09/23/2020 08:36:14 AM · #7
Originally posted by kirbic:

Open Ps, and load one of the "dull" images...

Next, open the Edit>Color Settings:
- What is the RGB Working Space listed?
- What is setting under RGB for Color Management Policies?

Finally, Click Edit>Convert to Profile:
- What is the Source Space listed?
- Click "Cancel" 'cause you don't really want to do the conversion now.

Once we have the answers to these questions, we may be able to guide you as to where the problem lies.


Thanks!! Here's the info:

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ARGH!!!

after getting this info, I decided to have the three photos side by side: lightroom, photoshop, chrome. Lightroom and photoshop look the same now, chrome is still more warm and vibrant. So I decided to do a screen capture showing the three side by side.

When I pasted the screen capture in photoshop -- THAT CHANGED!!! The lightroom and photoshop looks downright sick, and the chrome now looks exactly the same as the lightroom did.

I'm so lost :(

Message edited by author 2020-09-23 08:49:31.
09/23/2020 10:24:45 AM · #8
Wendy, nothing looks out of sorts on your settings. In short, Ps is set to work in the sRGB space, which is what you want unless you are really versed in color management. It's also set to preserve any profile that is embedded in an image, so if you open an image with a profile that is not sRGB, Ps should treat it properly.
My take-away from this is that when you ran calibration, you may have inadvertently had something set up incorrectly. The alternative is that your old profile was *really* out of whack. Try downloading some test images. Start here. Do these images display with expected color rendition, or are they buggered?
09/23/2020 10:30:07 AM · #9
But what about the fact that chrome is different than lightroom and photoshop? I believe the color calibration is correct -- But chrome looks different than photoshop. If I'm editing photos to look good in photoshop, they'll end up showing as more saturated and warmer in chrome. How do I know what to edit for?
09/23/2020 10:55:19 AM · #10
Originally posted by vawendy:

How do I know what to edit for?

Are you converting to sRGB or assigning sRGB as the colourspace? It's important the images are converted and not simply assigned a colour space.

EDIT - Most browsers will read the ICC profile embedded in the image and make the translations to the monitor's colour space. If these are removed from the jpg, which is often done to reduce file size, then most browsers will display the image directly to the monitor's colour space. This will skew saturation, contrast, and colours.

Message edited by author 2020-09-23 10:59:28.
09/23/2020 11:45:19 AM · #11
Originally posted by vawendy:

But what about the fact that chrome is different than lightroom and photoshop? I believe the color calibration is correct -- But chrome looks different than photoshop. If I'm editing photos to look good in photoshop, they'll end up showing as more saturated and warmer in chrome. How do I know what to edit for?


The test images can help with this. Open in both Ps and Chrome. Do you see a difference on the test images?
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