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08/21/2020 08:10:54 PM · #1
Iím really wanting to go to mirrorless and have been waiting for Canon to step up to the plate since I am heavily invested in Canon lenses and donít want to reinvent the wheel. I really like my 5D Mark IV but mirrorless offers some important advantages that the Mark IV doesnít have. I am not into video so the R5 seems like overkill but I wish the R6 had more than 20 megs of resolution. I understand that the lower resolution allows for extended low light functionality but I feel that I am giving up some on the Mark IVís 30+ megs. Anybody else considering one of these choices? What are you thinking?
08/21/2020 08:17:36 PM · #2
R5, no doubt about it. Just waiting for a bit of a better-than-MSRP deal. Most likely will pull the trigger in November. Between the R5 and the R6, frankly it seems like a no-brainer. The R6 really doesn't have a big an advantage in low light, if you compare the R5 images downsampled to the 20 MPx resolution of the R6.
08/21/2020 08:27:09 PM · #3
It is obvious that the R5 is better designed and more durable, slightly heavier and considerably more expensive. Iím willing to pay the extra if I know the bells and whistles are worthwhile.
08/21/2020 08:30:06 PM · #4
Plus, you'd hate yourself if you didn't. Admit it :-)
08/21/2020 08:50:35 PM · #5
I just noticed, R5 is really expensive, I cannot even think about it. Though curious why not Sony?
08/21/2020 09:03:55 PM · #6
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Plus, you'd hate yourself if you didn't. Admit it :-)


You have a point!

Message edited by Bear_Music - closed quote.
08/21/2020 09:23:20 PM · #7
Originally posted by pgirish007:

...Though curious why not Sony?


Arguably, Sony is a good option, very comparable AF performance, very similar image quality. It all comes down to what system you're invested in. For myself, it would take a stick of dynamite to make me give up the glass I currently have.
08/21/2020 09:38:53 PM · #8
Originally posted by kirbic:

Originally posted by pgirish007:

...Though curious why not Sony?


Arguably, Sony is a good option, very comparable AF performance, very similar image quality. It all comes down to what system you're invested in. For myself, it would take a stick of dynamite to make me give up the glass I currently have.


I understand that the adapter for the R5 works very well with existing Canon lenses.

Message edited by author 2020-08-21 21:39:27.
08/21/2020 11:06:59 PM · #9
Originally posted by GolferDDS:

I understand that the adapter for the R5 works very well with existing Canon lenses.


Yep. Only hard choice is, get the adapter with the drop-in filter holder or the one with the control ring? Would be so nice to have the control ring, set it for, say, aperture control... but the drop-in filters would be a boon too.
08/22/2020 08:15:14 AM · #10
Originally posted by kirbic:

Originally posted by GolferDDS:

I understand that the adapter for the R5 works very well with existing Canon lenses.


Yep. Only hard choice is, get the adapter with the drop-in filter holder or the one with the control ring? Would be so nice to have the control ring, set it for, say, aperture control... but the drop-in filters would be a boon too.


One of each? Choices, choices!
Maybe we can get a special deal from B&H or Adorama etc. if we get a bunch of people on DPC to buy and we go in together and buy multiple cameras and accessories?
08/22/2020 08:26:31 AM · #11
I hope you guys read about the overheating problems which are huge. The are MANY MANY videos about it. Very good cameras impossibile to use in video and several photographers had them shutting down even only shooting videos. Crazy stuff from a very important brand like Canon
08/22/2020 08:58:29 AM · #12
Originally posted by Alex_Petrini:

I hope you guys read about the overheating problems which are huge. The are MANY MANY videos about it. Very good cameras impossibile to use in video and several photographers had them shutting down even only shooting videos. Crazy stuff from a very important brand like Canon


Yes Alex, I am aware of the problem. It only seems to be a problem when recording in 8K video for more than 30 minutes. It does not appear to be effected in 4K video mode and non existent for non video functions. Canon is supposed to be working on a firmware update to correct that this problem. I am only interested in digital photography so it is not an issue for me. Thanks for your input.

Message edited by author 2020-08-22 08:59:10.
08/22/2020 09:17:45 AM · #13
Originally posted by Alex_Petrini:

I hope you guys read about the overheating problems which are huge. The are MANY MANY videos about it. Very good cameras impossibile to use in video and several photographers had them shutting down even only shooting videos. Crazy stuff from a very important brand like Canon


To be clear, the behavior of the camera is exactly as the Canon literature documents. It's not really the initial record time that's an issue as much as the cool-down time. Is this an "A camera" for cinematic work? No. Would I be happy recording 4kHQ? Yes, absolutely. Most especially, it's been documented that when recording to an external device such as an Atamos with the internal cards removed, you get pretty much unlimited 4k HQ recording.
All that said, does Canon have to improve this? Yes, I think they do.
08/22/2020 10:24:47 AM · #14
Overheating is not just Canon but Sony too, 2 weeks back I placed my Sony A7M2 camera on video mode with 4K recording and noticed that after 10 minutes or so recording, screen started showing that the camera is getting hot and need to be turned off. I looked the firmware and all are up to date but still behaves. I realize that for video we cannot use these camera but if really want to do video then have dedicated video camera.

Originally posted by GolferDDS:

Originally posted by Alex_Petrini:

I hope you guys read about the overheating problems which are huge. The are MANY MANY videos about it. Very good cameras impossibile to use in video and several photographers had them shutting down even only shooting videos. Crazy stuff from a very important brand like Canon


Yes Alex, I am aware of the problem. It only seems to be a problem when recording in 8K video for more than 30 minutes. It does not appear to be effected in 4K video mode and non existent for non video functions. Canon is supposed to be working on a firmware update to correct that this problem. I am only interested in digital photography so it is not an issue for me. Thanks for your input.
08/22/2020 10:48:32 AM · #15
I went Nikon mirrorless because I began with Nikon, had lenses and did not want to have to learn another system.
I bought the Z50 because I wanted a cropped sensor and not a full frame. I use the adapter which is seamless and allows me to use the lenses I have. I am in love with the camera. It is small
but very solid and compact. The image quality is just incredible. It has the same sensor as the D500 20.9mp. It is so much fun to use. It was very reasonable compared to
the Sony and although I have never used the Sony I cannot imagine having a better camera. Google the reviews.
08/22/2020 11:19:57 AM · #16
Yep, frankly it is hard to buy a modern camera from Canon, Nikon, Sony and not be impressed. The latest generation especially, the AF performance is beyond what was even possible in DSLRs as recently as 5 years ago.
08/22/2020 12:32:01 PM · #17
Originally posted by kirbic:

Yep, frankly it is hard to buy a modern camera from Canon, Nikon, Sony and not be impressed. The latest generation especially, the AF performance is beyond what was even possible in DSLRs as recently as 5 years ago.


Iím excited about eye autofocus and up to 20 frames per second for bird photography!
08/22/2020 04:31:59 PM · #18
You can't compare an A72, which the worst Sony camera about video with the top of the Canon mirrorless camera which boasts 8k super ultra mega resolution.

I have A73 and A7R3, I had A7S2 and NO overheating problem at all.

As for future updates Cabin can't get rid of the problem since it doesn't have an internal dissipation system. So they knew that putting those resolutions would create huge problems.

I'm sure that shooting only photos it wouldn't a major problem, but I would never buy a product with so many flaws. And Canon was totally aware of them and I think this is unfair and shows no respect for the customers.

My two cents (I know, I never liked Canon, but they were MUCH better a few years ago).

Originally posted by pgirish007:

Overheating is not just Canon but Sony too, 2 weeks back I placed my Sony A7M2 camera on video mode with 4K recording and noticed that after 10 minutes or so recording, screen started showing that the camera is getting hot and need to be turned off. I looked the firmware and all are up to date but still behaves. I realize that for video we cannot use these camera but if really want to do video then have dedicated video camera.

Originally posted by GolferDDS:

Originally posted by Alex_Petrini:

I hope you guys read about the overheating problems which are huge. The are MANY MANY videos about it. Very good cameras impossibile to use in video and several photographers had them shutting down even only shooting videos. Crazy stuff from a very important brand like Canon


Yes Alex, I am aware of the problem. It only seems to be a problem when recording in 8K video for more than 30 minutes. It does not appear to be effected in 4K video mode and non existent for non video functions. Canon is supposed to be working on a firmware update to correct that this problem. I am only interested in digital photography so it is not an issue for me. Thanks for your input.
08/22/2020 06:37:09 PM · #19
I meant I have A7R2 but I typed in wrong :(

for photography it works well and no issues but I felt the issue with the video only.

Originally posted by Alex_Petrini:

You can't compare an A72, which the worst Sony camera about video with the top of the Canon mirrorless camera which boasts 8k super ultra mega resolution.

I have A73 and A7R3, I had A7S2 and NO overheating problem at all.

As for future updates Cabin can't get rid of the problem since it doesn't have an internal dissipation system. So they knew that putting those resolutions would create huge problems.

I'm sure that shooting only photos it wouldn't a major problem, but I would never buy a product with so many flaws. And Canon was totally aware of them and I think this is unfair and shows no respect for the customers.

My two cents (I know, I never liked Canon, but they were MUCH better a few years ago).

Originally posted by pgirish007:

Overheating is not just Canon but Sony too, 2 weeks back I placed my Sony A7M2 camera on video mode with 4K recording and noticed that after 10 minutes or so recording, screen started showing that the camera is getting hot and need to be turned off. I looked the firmware and all are up to date but still behaves. I realize that for video we cannot use these camera but if really want to do video then have dedicated video camera.

Originally posted by GolferDDS:

Originally posted by Alex_Petrini:

I hope you guys read about the overheating problems which are huge. The are MANY MANY videos about it. Very good cameras impossibile to use in video and several photographers had them shutting down even only shooting videos. Crazy stuff from a very important brand like Canon


Yes Alex, I am aware of the problem. It only seems to be a problem when recording in 8K video for more than 30 minutes. It does not appear to be effected in 4K video mode and non existent for non video functions. Canon is supposed to be working on a firmware update to correct that this problem. I am only interested in digital photography so it is not an issue for me. Thanks for your input.
08/23/2020 03:49:32 AM · #20
I never regretted move to Sony. I didn't have that many Canon lenses as you have, Larry, but they were good lenses although not the very expensive f2.8 (I had 24-105 f4, 70-200 f4, macro 100mm f2.8) and I sold them at reasonable prices. I have now all Sony native lenses plus A7R III and A7 III bodies. The latter has very good high ISO performance while A7R III gives me extra resolution. I think I made the right choice by moving away from Canon. ' . substr('https://www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', strrpos('https://www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', '/') + 1) . ' vawendy did the same thing and I think she is very happy too.
08/23/2020 06:49:08 AM · #21
Originally posted by marnet:

I never regretted move to Sony. I didn't have that many Canon lenses as you have, Larry, but they were good lenses although not the very expensive f2.8 (I had 24-105 f4, 70-200 f4, macro 100mm f2.8) and I sold them at reasonable prices. I have now all Sony native lenses plus A7R III and A7 III bodies. The latter has very good high ISO performance while A7R III gives me extra resolution. I think I made the right choice by moving away from Canon. ' . substr('https://www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', strrpos('https://www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', '/') + 1) . ' vawendy did the same thing and I think she is very happy too.


I looked at the Sony at the 2019 photo convention in New York and was very impressed. I like having a good back up camera which would mean either keeping my Canon Mark IV, lenses and accessories and duplicating all with the Sony, or trading everything in for 2 Sonyís with lenses and accessories which just doesnít sound practical for my purposes.

Message edited by author 2020-08-23 06:49:50.
08/23/2020 06:52:35 AM · #22
To switch an entire set of cameras/lenses is very painful, I agree. I switched from Nikon and it took more than one year. Same as Margaret I'm super happy, but sure not an easy thing to do. And lately cameras are really super in any case :)

Originally posted by GolferDDS:

Originally posted by marnet:

I never regretted move to Sony. I didn't have that many Canon lenses as you have, Larry, but they were good lenses although not the very expensive f2.8 (I had 24-105 f4, 70-200 f4, macro 100mm f2.8) and I sold them at reasonable prices. I have now all Sony native lenses plus A7R III and A7 III bodies. The latter has very good high ISO performance while A7R III gives me extra resolution. I think I made the right choice by moving away from Canon. ' . substr('https://www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', strrpos('https://www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', '/') + 1) . ' vawendy did the same thing and I think she is very happy too.


I looked at the Sony at the 2019 photo convention in New York and was very impressed. I like having a good back up camera which would mean either keeping my Canon Mark IV, lenses and accessories and duplicating all with the Sony, or trading everything in for 2 Sonyís with lenses and accessories which just doesnít sound practical for my purposes.
08/23/2020 07:45:45 AM · #23
ohh agreed I have most of my stuff with Canon and when I bought Sony, I end up buying 2 additional lens for Sony and a converter from EF to E mount. i am not going to say that I am impressed with the convertor results but to some extend it does solve my problem and I am good for some time before I get some cash to buy sony lenses :D

Originally posted by Alex_Petrini:

To switch an entire set of cameras/lenses is very painful, I agree. I switched from Nikon and it took more than one year. Same as Margaret I'm super happy, but sure not an easy thing to do. And lately cameras are really super in any case :)

Originally posted by GolferDDS:

Originally posted by marnet:

I never regretted move to Sony. I didn't have that many Canon lenses as you have, Larry, but they were good lenses although not the very expensive f2.8 (I had 24-105 f4, 70-200 f4, macro 100mm f2.8) and I sold them at reasonable prices. I have now all Sony native lenses plus A7R III and A7 III bodies. The latter has very good high ISO performance while A7R III gives me extra resolution. I think I made the right choice by moving away from Canon. ' . substr('https://www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', strrpos('https://www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', '/') + 1) . ' vawendy did the same thing and I think she is very happy too.


I looked at the Sony at the 2019 photo convention in New York and was very impressed. I like having a good back up camera which would mean either keeping my Canon Mark IV, lenses and accessories and duplicating all with the Sony, or trading everything in for 2 Sonyís with lenses and accessories which just doesnít sound practical for my purposes.
08/23/2020 10:40:43 AM · #24
Originally posted by Alex_Petrini:

As for future updates Cabin can't get rid of the problem since it doesn't have an internal dissipation system. So they knew that putting those resolutions would create huge problems.


Please do read my previous post again... with only a subtle change (record to external device with no internal cards present) you get unlimited 4kHQ recording. Also, Canon was accurate in the tables of record-time-until-overheat. They misled no one.

Originally posted by Alex_Petrini:

I'm sure that shooting only photos it wouldn't a major problem, but I would never buy a product with so many flaws. And Canon was totally aware of them and I think this is unfair and shows no respect for the customers.


So many flaws? From my perspective the only identified "flaw" is the extended cool-down time. Does Canon need to do better on this? Yes. Is it a product-killer? Oh, heck no. And again, Canon did not mislead me or anyone as a customer. Their documentation is accurate.

Originally posted by Alex_Petrini:

My two cents (I know, I never liked Canon, but they were MUCH better a few years ago).


A few years ago, if you listened to the Voice of the Web, the prevailing opinion was that Canon was woefully behind in mirrorless, would never catch up. Now they have put up a camera that meets or exceeds the specs of the competition, with the caveat that it is limited at its highest video resolution... a resolution not matched my any of the competition. Sheesh.
The fact is, the R5, and the R6 for that matter, will sell very well because they meet the need for a large population of photographers.
08/23/2020 11:20:27 AM · #25
I'm currently on the waitlist for the R5 myself. I just wish I would've realized they started a wait list when it was first announced at the beginning of the year. I'm probably still a month away from holding it in my hands.

As for the glass, I have been using Canon glass for years also. However, when I purchased the R earlier this year I started upgrading my lenses to the RF mount as well. My other lenses were good, but the hype about the RF glass is real. Canon really did step up their game in that category for sure.
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