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11/05/2004 09:33:18 PM · #151 |
Originally posted by ericlimon:
Originally posted by frychikn:
<<< Currently Canada has the most public hospital system in the world: 98% of all Canadian hospital care is paid for by the state, while no other country covers more than 80%. >>>
Why, then, do wealthy Canadians go 'south of the border' for their medical care? |
well, the reason "wealthy" canadians come here is because we have the best medical care in the world. Too bad anyone who isn't "wealthy" can't get it, huh? |
Medical care, in Canada, is very good. Wealthy Canadians will rarely go south for improvement on the overall quality of care. They go south because there are waiting lists for surgery and treatment at home.
Canada has to thank its National Democratic Party (NDP) for initializing universal health care and the Liberals (mainly under Pierre Elliott Trudeau) for carrying it. Progressively, conserative governments (including a more 'conservative' Liberal party) have drastically cut funding in favour of their own agendas.
The result were unduly long waiting periods, overworked hospital staff and an exodus of doctors and nurses.
The present (minority liberal) government is bending to strong public pressure to revitalize health care by investing considerable sums of money in it to turn things around.
Message edited by author 2004-11-05 21:34:57.
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11/05/2004 09:33:49 PM · #152 |
Originally posted by ericlimon:
Originally posted by frychikn:
<<< Currently Canada has the most public hospital system in the world: 98% of all Canadian hospital care is paid for by the state, while no other country covers more than 80%. >>>
Why, then, do wealthy Canadians go 'south of the border' for their medical care? |
well, the reason "wealthy" canadians come here is because we have the best medical care in the world. Too bad anyone who isn't "wealthy" can't get it, huh? |
so you're saying canada's coverage of everyone might not be the best idea? |
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11/05/2004 10:24:48 PM · #153 |
Originally posted by karmat:
I could tell you my reasons for voting for Bush, but as I can see in this and in other threads, the basis for my views is not what your basis is, so therefore, you can continue to call "me" a stupid, redneck, Christian, etc. etc. etc.
Some of the "accusations" fit, others don't.
And for everything that has been said against the Republicans, I have heard against the Democrats.
Fact is, our perspective is reality, and anyone without our perspective can't be real. |
If you're directing this statement to me, I haven't called anyone "Christian" (I didn't even realize it was a dirty word!), "redneck," or "stupid." But I will call you a censor.
I was going to respond to a message that has conveniently disappeared, and will still try to do so even though it may be difficult for readers to follow this thread now. Someone earlier stated several reasons he voted for Bush. As I recall, one reason was because he considered terrorism more than an "inconvenience." This is a misleading characterization of a remark made by Kerry in an interview, taken out of context by the Bush folks and repeated over and over again. If I can find the interview I'll post a link to it and hopefully you'll see my point.
Another reason he gave for voting for Bush is because he didn't want our foreign policy to be determined by the U.N. and foreign governments. In my opinion, it's just such an attitude that has gotten us into the mess we're in now vis-a-vis Iraq and the rest of the world; and again a misleading characterization of Kerry's intentions. By the way, there are quite a few republicans who aren't happy with Bush's go-it-alone super-macho attitude in this respect.
As for Bush's supposed "strength" with regard to fighting terrorism, let me give you one small example that speaks volumes about the administration's utter hypocrisy on this issue. There is a nuclear power plant situated about 25 miles north of Manhattan. Immediately after the attacks on 9/11, air cover was provided by the federal govt. to protect that power plant but was cancelled after a short while. We have essentially a nuclear bomb capable of wiping out NYC and the entire NY metropolitan area completely unprotected, in spite of the fact that Mayor Bloomberg has repeatedly begged the Bush administration for continued air cover. Not only has no protection been forthcoming for this particular power plant, the Bush administration has thus far appropriated zero funds for the purpose of protecting and/or upgrading similar facilities around the country, and the same goes for the untold numbers of chemical plants that are just as vulnerable. Putting aside for a moment my personal feelings about NYC (having grown up there), I honestly believe that as NY goes, so goes the country. If Manhattan were to become uninhabitable, it would be a disaster the likes of which this country can't even begin to imagine and from which we would not soon recover. Any politician who talks about being tough on terrorism and completely ignores this reality I can only conclude is talking out of both sides of his mouth. I can't guarantee you that Kerry would have done the right thing in this regard, but at least he was talking about the threat and claiming an intention to do something about it.
Message edited by author 2004-11-05 22:27:26. |
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11/05/2004 10:27:15 PM · #154 |
Karmat did not remove that post, I did. If you want to call anyone a censor, it should be me.
I removed 3 posts contained an exchange of personal attacks. The post you are referring to was probably one of them.
-Terry
Message edited by author 2004-11-05 22:29:15.
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11/05/2004 10:28:32 PM · #155 |
My apologies to karmat.
I wasn't personally attacking that other person and intended to answer his post more thoroughly, as you can see I've now done.
Message edited by author 2004-11-05 22:35:04. |
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11/06/2004 12:14:03 AM · #156 |
Originally posted by bdobe:
If you're concerned about the election results and whether in fact it was manipulated, here's one thing you can right now: contribute to //blackboxvoting.org/. This organization has already filed one of the largest freedom of information acts to look at how the electronic voting machines recorded the votes -- we already know that fraud has been committed, just do a cursory search of electronic voting machines and recent elections. We cannot let this issue go away, and here's one very small thing you can do today to begin the fight. |
Sounds great.....make a donation for me! |
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11/06/2004 12:24:05 AM · #157 |
Originally posted by nborton:
After reading this lengthy thread, it looks as though everyone is blaming Christianity/religion as the reason Kerry got beat.
It’s sad to see such animosity against a group in a country where people are free to believe what ever they please. It seems to me, that it would be more beneficial to the Democratic Party to figure out why the Party didn’t get the “non-religious” voter out, if the “religious” voter was the true reason behind Kerry’s loss. All the postings like the “Jesusland” map, and the blaming of the “religious” just makes the Party look bad.
Putting the blame on any one group in a free country is no way to win new supporters. |
You are correct, well said and very true.
But, that really does not fit in well with the left agenda...so they will blow you off.
But, they better find a way to get the Christian vote, or they are toast again in 2008.
I am not a Chruch guy....I just am smart enough to know....you have to appeal to the majority.
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11/06/2004 12:53:06 AM · #158 |
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11/06/2004 01:14:20 AM · #159 |
Just a funny anecdote from election day. I went to the store and as I was parking I saw a lady getting out of her car that had a Kerry sticker on her bumper. I pulled up next to her, rolled down the window and then said to her with a look of severe concern, “Pardon me ma’am, I am not sure if you realize it or not, but I think someone is playing a really bad practical joke on you”.
“What? What’s wrong?” she asked in a very worried tone.
Laughing boisterously I replied gleefully, “Someone put a John Kerry sticker on your car!!!!"
Oh man she got so mad. She started cussing at me and everything. We laughed about that for hours. It was so damn funny. (Yes this really happened. I am not joking)
Message edited by author 2004-11-06 01:15:01.
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11/06/2004 01:29:33 AM · #160 |
Originally posted by Anachronite:
Just a funny anecdote from election day. I went to the store and as I was parking I saw a lady getting out of her car that had a Kerry sticker on her bumper. I pulled up next to her, rolled down the window and then said to her with a look of severe concern, “Pardon me ma’am, I am not sure if you realize it or not, but I think someone is playing a really bad practical joke on you”.
“What? What’s wrong?” she asked in a very worried tone.
Laughing boisterously I replied gleefully, “Someone put a John Kerry sticker on your car!!!!"
Oh man she got so mad. She started cussing at me and everything. We laughed about that for hours. It was so damn funny. (Yes this really happened. I am not joking) |
That's pretty juvenile of you
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11/06/2004 03:00:47 AM · #161 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Anachronite:
Just a funny anecdote from election day. I went to the store and as I was parking I saw a lady getting out of her car that had a Kerry sticker on her bumper. I pulled up next to her, rolled down the window and then said to her with a look of severe concern, “Pardon me ma’am, I am not sure if you realize it or not, but I think someone is playing a really bad practical joke on you”.
“What? What’s wrong?” she asked in a very worried tone.
Laughing boisterously I replied gleefully, “Someone put a John Kerry sticker on your car!!!!"
Oh man she got so mad. She started cussing at me and everything. We laughed about that for hours. It was so damn funny. (Yes this really happened. I am not joking) |
That's pretty juvenile of you |
I know, but it was damn funny
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11/06/2004 07:46:30 AM · #162 |
Originally posted by achiral:
Originally posted by ericlimon:
Originally posted by frychikn:
<<< Currently Canada has the most public hospital system in the world: 98% of all Canadian hospital care is paid for by the state, while no other country covers more than 80%. >>>
Why, then, do wealthy Canadians go 'south of the border' for their medical care? |
well, the reason "wealthy" canadians come here is because we have the best medical care in the world. Too bad anyone who isn't "wealthy" can't get it, huh? |
so you're saying canada's coverage of everyone might not be the best idea? |
What are you talking about? what part of anything I wrote makes you think that i said that? did you actually read what i wrote? Before you try to put words into my mouth, why don't you read it again. and explain me how you came to that conclusion, I wrote in this thread more than once that universal health care is a good idea., I know you read that, because Your answer was to call providing health care to everyone "socialist".
You seem a little confused about this. Ask our Northern Neighbors if they are living in a socialist country. And whats this about all of the "wealthy canadians" coming south of the border for medical care? How about all of the Americans who go south to Mexico for cheaper medical care? |
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11/06/2004 09:26:54 AM · #163 |
Originally posted by Anachronite:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Anachronite:
Just a funny anecdote from election day. I went to the store and as I was parking I saw a lady getting out of her car that had a Kerry sticker on her bumper. I pulled up next to her, rolled down the window and then said to her with a look of severe concern, “Pardon me ma’am, I am not sure if you realize it or not, but I think someone is playing a really bad practical joke on you”.
“What? What’s wrong?” she asked in a very worried tone.
Laughing boisterously I replied gleefully, “Someone put a John Kerry sticker on your car!!!!"
Oh man she got so mad. She started cussing at me and everything. We laughed about that for hours. It was so damn funny. (Yes this really happened. I am not joking) |
That's pretty juvenile of you |
I know, but it was damn funny |
If you say so, but I doubt it.
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11/06/2004 10:00:13 AM · #164 |
Originally posted by ericlimon:
Originally posted by achiral:
Originally posted by ericlimon:
Originally posted by frychikn:
<<< Currently Canada has the most public hospital system in the world: 98% of all Canadian hospital care is paid for by the state, while no other country covers more than 80%. >>>
Why, then, do wealthy Canadians go 'south of the border' for their medical care? |
well, the reason "wealthy" canadians come here is because we have the best medical care in the world. Too bad anyone who isn't "wealthy" can't get it, huh? |
so you're saying canada's coverage of everyone might not be the best idea? |
What are you talking about? what part of anything I wrote makes you think that i said that? did you actually read what i wrote? Before you try to put words into my mouth, why don't you read it again. and explain me how you came to that conclusion, I wrote in this thread more than once that universal health care is a good idea., I know you read that, because Your answer was to call providing health care to everyone "socialist".
You seem a little confused about this. Ask our Northern Neighbors if they are living in a socialist country. And whats this about all of the "wealthy canadians" coming south of the border for medical care? How about all of the Americans who go south to Mexico for cheaper medical care? |
Not to mention all the people that want to purchase less expensive medications from Canada too, which US govt won't allow! |
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11/06/2004 02:59:48 PM · #165 |
I see most of Bush's top-ranking administration officials are deserting him, jumping ship before the sh*t really hits the fan.
Interesting.... seems they have about as much confidence in him as I do. |
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11/06/2004 03:17:00 PM · #166 |
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:
I see most of Bush's top-ranking administration officials are deserting him, jumping ship before the sh*t really hits the fan.
Interesting.... seems they have about as much confidence in him as I do. |
Where do you see that? I just did a Google News Search and didn't find a single resignation reported.
Conjecture, yes. Factuality, no.
And before you gloat, consider who the possile replacements might be. You may like them even less than those you dislike now. |
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11/06/2004 03:21:55 PM · #167 |
Posted by RonB Where do you see that? I just did a Google News Search and didn't find a single resignation reported.
Conjecture, yes. Factuality, no.
I think she is talking about this RonB
White House security official to resign
Message edited by author 2004-11-06 15:23:13.
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11/06/2004 03:47:17 PM · #168 |
Originally posted by ericlimon:
Posted by RonB Where do you see that? I just did a Google News Search and didn't find a single resignation reported.
Conjecture, yes. Factuality, no.
I think she is talking about this RonB
White House security official to resign |
Thanks for the link, Eric. That is surprising to me, but apparently was not unexpected - as the article says:
"One official said Blackwill had always intended to leave after the presidential election, and informed National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice of his plans a few weeks ago."
I, myself, wouldn't classify this as "desertion" by someone who has very little confidence in the President - though, not being a mind reader, I couldn't state that difinitively.
It looks likely that Ashcroft, Powell, and possibly Rumsfeld will resign.
On another note, let me predict now that at some point in the next four years, Vice-President Cheney will also resign ( for health reasons ). His replacement will likely become the Republican Presidential Candidate in 2008. Possible replacements? Condoleezza Rice, John McCain, Rudy Guiliani. My money would be on McCain.
On the Democratic side - Hillary Clinton. And watch Barack Obama - he may be drafted to run for vice-president - he seems to be immensely personable, and exudes charisma. |
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11/06/2004 03:53:34 PM · #169 |
Wow, 2 women running for president?
Could it happen? That would be interesting, and I am pretty sure (well positive) what one I would vote for. :)
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11/06/2004 05:00:19 PM · #170 |
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Message edited by author 2004-11-06 17:00:41. |
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11/06/2004 05:18:05 PM · #171 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
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Indeed. For once I have to admit that I can't disagree with a thing you said. |
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11/06/2004 05:19:23 PM · #172 |
McCain and/or Giuliani would be far less odious than any one of those due to leave.
And the Democrats will only nominate Hillary if they want to lose again... |
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11/06/2004 10:47:39 PM · #173 |
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by ericlimon:
Posted by RonB Where do you see that? I just did a Google News Search and didn't find a single resignation reported.
Conjecture, yes. Factuality, no.
I think she is talking about this RonB
White House security official to resign |
Thanks for the link, Eric. That is surprising to me, but apparently was not unexpected - as the article says:
"One official said Blackwill had always intended to leave after the presidential election, and informed National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice of his plans a few weeks ago."
I, myself, wouldn't classify this as "desertion" by someone who has very little confidence in the President - though, not being a mind reader, I couldn't state that difinitively.
It looks likely that Ashcroft, Powell, and possibly Rumsfeld will resign.
On another note, let me predict now that at some point in the next four years, Vice-President Cheney will also resign ( for health reasons ). His replacement will likely become the Republican Presidential Candidate in 2008. Possible replacements? Condoleezza Rice, John McCain, Rudy Guiliani. My money would be on McCain.
On the Democratic side - Hillary Clinton. And watch Barack Obama - he may be drafted to run for vice-president - he seems to be immensely personable, and exudes charisma. |
Barack Obama has repeatedly said he does NOT want to run for president. Of course, four years gives a person a lot of time to change his mind! |
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11/06/2004 11:11:09 PM · #174 |
| With all these high ranking officials possibly leaving the Bush administration we are also bound to see a big rift come about in the republican party between the neocons and the true conservatives as to who is going to replace them. |
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11/06/2004 11:47:43 PM · #175 |
| It is common practice and expected that ALL cabnet members resign after the election. Often they are reselected to serve again in the same or different capacity. |
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