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11/03/2004 06:26:06 PM · #26

Damn you Mordegon! I wasn't feeling bad enough you had to give me that link.

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11/03/2004 06:28:40 PM · #27

Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:

(1) Almost half of us wanted Bush gone

So are we saying that the over half of voters wanted Bush over Kerry are responsible for all of the terrible things & none of the good things that will happen over the next four years? Or will it be all Bush's fault once again?

Dr.Confuser

Nikon D800

11/03/2004 06:31:29 PM · #28

Originally posted by MadMordegon:

Indeed ericlimon.

I am still in disbelief. I am more upset that he won legitimately than if the GOP had cheated. Now the world is going to hate Americans, not just our government and president.

Short video, the culmination, George Bush MISTAKEN.

What a sad commentary on civilized political discourse ... to use a web site called HATEGUN to make your point. This isn't a post in favor of or opposed to your point, but is directed at hate mongering. It is also a sad commentary on our media culture that to be heard, it appears necessary to resort to sites such as HATEGUN to capture people's attention span.

Edit: Further on Hategun

Domain: hategun.com

Registrant
Hate Gun
hategun
hatemail@hategun.com
666 hategun way
hategun, ky 33333-3333 JP
+81.3333333

Message edited by author 2004-11-03 19:03:02.

jbsmithana

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11/03/2004 06:37:06 PM · #29

Originally posted by ScottK:

...... What the founding fathers saw was that it was wrong to force the citizens of the country to follow one perscribed branch of religious faith, nor for that matter to force them to follow any religious faith at all. This is not at all the same as saying that those we elect should not be allowed to legislate, administrate or ajudicate based on the principles of the religious faith that they hold, so long as it doesn't infringe on each individuals beliefs. It also doesn't mean that those of us who hold to a religious faith should not allow that faith to guide us in our selections, or in the political platforms we wish to see promoted.

Of course, finding and staying on the lines between these ideals is the great challenge.

I'm not in total disagreement with much of what you have quoted. The crux of the matter lies in what you say above. There is supposed to be a separation of church and state in this country. And when you go beyond letting your faith guide you in choosing a candidate to legislating that belief you ultimately "infringe on others beliefs". You end up denying someone else�s rights and freedoms. What this administration has lacked is tolerance of any dissenting viewpoint. We came to the Americas to escape that mentality.

MadMordegon

11/03/2004 06:44:52 PM · #30

Digital Quixote

What civil political discourse? I posted a link to a page that has a movie on it and made a comment on my own. I did not intend to start a discussion; just wanted to share a thought and that video.

Dr.Confuser

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11/03/2004 06:52:36 PM · #31

Originally posted by MadMordegon:

... I posted a link to a page that has a movie on it and made a comment on my own. I did not intend to start a discussion; just wanted to share a thought and that video.

You made your point fine. I understood it. But it got lost with the link to the video, which didn't seem all that related to your point, at least to me. The video was overkill. Just an opinion.

cbeller

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11/03/2004 06:56:55 PM · #32

Originally posted by Digital Quixote:

You made your point fine. I understood it. But it got lost with the link to the video, which didn't seem all that related to your point, at least to me. The video was overkill. Just an opinion.

So was posting the WHOIS information for the domain. I don't believe that is proper use (and possibly illegal) use of the information.

Edit: and I'm not defending the site or it's content.

Message edited by author 2004-11-03 18:58:01.

EddyG

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11/03/2004 07:02:52 PM · #33

Originally posted by cbeller:

I don't believe that is proper use (and possibly illegal) use of the information.

What is "improper" is that the contact information is bogus, a direct violation of ICANN policy.

See here for more information; quoting:

"To reduce the ability of cybersquatters and people engaging in unlawful activities to avoid detection by submitting false data, ICANN's new policy requires that all registrants to ensure all contact information of their domain names on WHOIS database is correct at all time.

Many domain owners are blissfully unaware of the extent to which their domain name data is inaccurate, even in key respects such as email contacts - the very addresses which the registrars may contact under the new system to request a confirmation of data accuracy.

If organizations fail to respond to their domain registrar they risk their domain names being placed 'on hold' (temporarily deactivated) unless and until they provide updated information."

Maybe somebody should contact ICANN and report this violation of "hategun.com"...

Message edited by author 2004-11-03 19:04:56.

Dr.Confuser

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11/03/2004 07:05:33 PM · #34

Originally posted by cbeller:

Originally posted by Digital Quixote:
You made your point fine. I understood it. But it got lost with the link to the video, which didn't seem all that related to your point, at least to me. The video was overkill. Just an opinion.

So was posting the WHOIS information for the domain. I don't believe that is proper use (and possibly illegal) use of the information.

Edit: and I'm not defending the site or it's content.

Point taken ... I edited to reduce size of post. It is public info, however, so posting it wasn't illegal. As EddyG points out, hiding lawful contact information is illegal.

cbeller

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11/03/2004 07:13:57 PM · #35

Originally posted by EddyG:

Originally posted by cbeller:
I don't believe that is proper use (and possibly illegal) use of the information.

What is "improper" is that the contact information is bogus, a direct violation of ICANN policy.

See here for more information; quoting:

"To reduce the ability of cybersquatters and people engaging in unlawful activities to avoid detection by submitting false data, ICANN's new policy requires that all registrants to ensure all contact information of their domain names on WHOIS database is correct at all time.

Many domain owners are blissfully unaware of the extent to which their domain name data is inaccurate, even in key respects such as email contacts - the very addresses which the registrars may contact under the new system to request a confirmation of data accuracy.

If organizations fail to respond to their domain registrar they risk their domain names being placed 'on hold' (temporarily deactivated) unless and until they provide updated information."

Maybe somebody should contact ICANN and report this violation of "hategun.com"...

I'm aware of the ICANN policy and agree with what you say. I just don't believe it was proper use of the WHOIS information. I have seen this done in other threads, and just don't like it.

Edit:

Originally posted by Digital Quixote:

Point taken ... I edited to reduce size of post. It is public info, however, so posting it wasn't illegal. As EddyG points out, hiding lawful contact information is illegal.

Thanks. I've also just went and re-read the policy on the WHOIS page and agree it may not be illegal.

Message edited by author 2004-11-03 19:19:03.

jbsmithana

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11/03/2004 07:49:09 PM · #36

Originally posted by TomFoolery:

He won fair and square, popular vote by almost 4 million votes. The most votes any president has received in the history of the United States, around 59 million.
spelling

Ahh, and a record number of us voted to change course -- more Americans voted against George Bush than any sitting president in history.

There are always two sides.

Message edited by author 2004-11-03 19:49:21.

Article19

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11/03/2004 07:49:25 PM · #37

An open question to the president from a journalist!

Mr President

I would like to ask a rather protracted question if I may? To date your 'War on Terror' has prosecuted not one single terrorist or arrested one single suspect for the attacks carried out on September 11th 2001 while you sir were the commander in chief of the United States Military and the Chief Executive of the United States Government. To date your actions have resulted in the deaths of over 1000 American troops and over 17,000 civilians in Iraq. Over 6,000 soldiers have been injured and dozens of foreign troops have been killed and injured.

No links have ever been found between Sadam Hussien and Al Qaeda. No links have been found between Sadam Hussien and September 11th attacks on the United States. No WMD have ever been found and no weapons programs have been discovered or shown to be in progress prior to the invasion. There was and never has been any clear and present danger to the security of the United States or it's people from the Iraqi regime. In addition your law enforcement agencies have been unable to discover any evidence of any organized 'terror network' with pre-existing plans to launch attacks on the United States or any other country similar to the attacks carried out on 9/11.

I put it to you sir that you have bankrupted the good will shown to your nation after the 9/11 attacks, that you sir have betrayed the trust of your own people and made the United States and its citizens amongst the most resented in the modern world. I put it to you sir that you have created countless numbers of terrorists and made the world a far less safe place to live for all the people in the world. I put it to you sir that you are incompetent, that you are a fool and that you sir are a liar.

Will you now, apologize to families of those who lost someone on 9/11, apologize to the families of the soldiers killed in Iraq for the senseless loss of their lives, apologize to the families of civilians and soldiers of the Iraqi people for their unjustified and criminal deaths as a direct result of your orders, apologize to the citizens of your own country to whom you have lied repeatedly and apologize to the rest of the world for the terrible state of fear and division that you sir have created?

Following those apologies Mr President will you then be resigning your office and your Vice President with you and truly begin the journey towards re-uniting your own country and making the world a safer place?

Regards

Judith Polakoff

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11/03/2004 08:15:15 PM · #38

fullmontez, what "good things" do you foresee? I can't think of a one...

ScottK

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11/03/2004 08:17:28 PM · #39

Originally posted by Article19:

If I may be so bold as to speak for the president, the succinct answer is: "No."

11/03/2004 08:21:03 PM · #40

Sounds like some serious pessimism. I'll again say that I have seen firsthand the good that we are doing in Afghanistan & in Iraq. Despite whatever the method the decision came to go to these places we are bringing a better life to millions who never even dreamed that such a life was plausible.

11/03/2004 08:21:37 PM · #41

Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:

fullmontez, what "good things" do you foresee? I can't think of a one...

Just think, four more years of endless war, endless fear-mongering, endless American soldiers and Iraqi civilians dying every single day, endless increases in the deficit and air and water pollution, endless cronyism, endless tax cuts for billionaires, endless shredding of the Bill of Rights, endless under-funding of public education, endless color-coded terror alerts, endless bleeding of the Social Security and Medicare budgets, and endless right wing judicial appointments! I haven't been this excited and hopeful since my dog died!

I am so glad America has seen the light and elected George W. Bush, not just because of four more years of the above, but because this wonderful Christian, God-appointed president will save us all from the abortionists and the queers who want to defile the sanctity of marriage.

You don't think these are good things Judith?

11/03/2004 08:22:41 PM · #42

Originally posted by fullmontez:

Go to Iraq and tell that to the 16,000 PLUS dead Iraqi civilians and there families.

11/03/2004 08:25:35 PM · #43

My own personal opinion of this election is that the majority of voters {however small the difference in percentages} would rather have a leader who makes a decision when called upon to & sticks by it then a leader who cannot make a decision in a timely manner & then does a complete 180.

Just my opinion...nothing wrong with those anymore...right?

11/03/2004 08:27:22 PM · #44

Originally posted by ericlimon:

Go to Iraq and tell that to the 16,000 PLUS dead Iraqi civilians and there families.

Been there, done that, your turn

Man + Weapon + Firing = Civilian? I think not

Message edited by author 2004-11-03 20:28:42.

11/03/2004 08:30:16 PM · #45

Originally posted by fullmontez:

Originally posted by ericlimon:
Go to Iraq and tell that to the 16,000 PLUS dead Iraqi civilians and there families.

Been there, done that, your turn

And I'm sure they thanked you for so graciously "saving" them, all the while telling you that it was worth the slaughtering of their children.

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11/03/2004 08:33:25 PM · #46

Originally posted by fullmontez:

Man + Weapon + Firing = Civilian? I think not

maybe you don't think at all?

yes. MAN + WEAPON + FIRING = DEATH guess what, civilians die too, not just soldiers.

ScottK

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11/03/2004 08:34:40 PM · #47

John Kerry:
�We talked about the danger of division in our country and the need � the desperate need � for unity, for finding common ground and coming together. Today, I hope we can begin the healing.�

George W. Bush:
�Reaching these goals will require the broad support of Americans. So today I want to speak to every person who voted for my opponent. To make this nation stronger and better, I will need your support, and I will work to earn it.�

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So, I ask a sincere question:

What do you (any of you, individually or corporately) think the president and/or John Kerry should reasonably do or say that would be sufficient to "begin the healing" and "earn your support"?

I include both Bush and Kerry because reconciliation requires the efforts and willingness of both parties. I say reasonably because, well... Let's just see how this goes.

They've both said the words. What now?

ScottK

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11/03/2004 08:37:54 PM · #48

Originally posted by fullmontez:

You obviously haven't been around much. Opinions here are like a target on your forehead. :)

MadMordegon

11/03/2004 08:38:18 PM · #49

FYI for those contemplating.
//www.citizenship.gov.au/