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04/26/2020 03:49:33 PM · #26 |
| I often use one of the online abstract art title generators. I rarely use the title it gives me, but even for non abstract images, it often inspires something suitable. |
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04/26/2020 10:17:49 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by willem:
Originally posted by oldbimmercoupe:
Seems to me that a title for an abstract should not tell us what the damn thing is. Read the challenge in its entirety. An abstract stands on its own and lets the viewer define it. |
Fully agree with the above.
In general it is my view an image should stand on its own. A title is fine but if it NEEDS a title to get the message across, then I usually score it lower. I try to first judge the image without looking at the title.
In the case of an abstract, it should not explain what I am looking at, in my view. |
surely the photographer can tell us what they 'see' in the abstract and convey that in their title .. without saying what it actually is .. and its up to the viewer to interpret it in any way they wish ..
and who is to judge whether the image actually NEEDS a title to get the message across .. the message might be quite obvious to some ppl and not to others .. without a title that's descriptive ..
and just dont look at the title then .. if you're going to mark ppl down because it doesnt fit in with your views .. |
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04/27/2020 05:00:32 AM · #28 |
Really!!! Sometimes it looks like a photograph was taken and then the photographer decides that the must be some deeper meaning to this.
And then the photographer gives it a title to try and invoke some meaning to the photo and in the process absolutely destroys the photo.
Some titles though were excellent and described the emotion evoked in the image. The photographer understood the photo first. |
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04/27/2020 06:18:42 AM · #29 |
| I think from now on I will title my abstract entries - "It is not what you think it is". |
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04/27/2020 06:58:56 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by oldbimmercoupe:
Seems to me that a title for an abstract should not tell us what the damn thing is. Read the challenge in its entirety. An abstract stands on its own and lets the viewer define it. |
The title of an abstract is usually what it "appears" to be.. not what it is.
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04/27/2020 08:06:10 PM · #31 |
| I maintain the right to title my photos as I see fit. Thank you. |
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04/27/2020 09:27:37 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by jomari:
I maintain the right to title my photos as I see fit. Thank you. |
I agree! Wholeheartedly!!
I just want the right to NOT title my photos as I see fit.
As long as the site's being worked over, I thought I'd put my comment in. :D
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04/27/2020 10:04:46 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by jomari:
I maintain the right to title my photos as I see fit. Thank you. |
For me, titles will always influence my opinion and overall feeling of an entry. It's part of the presentation. I've sweated out the title on many occasion on my own entries trying to find that right balance. Sometimes a title can help tell the story. Sometimes the image doesn't need any help (those are harder for me to title). When I see an 'Untitled' entry it's almost an immediate one point reduction just because I feel like the photographer couldn't take the time or effort to put a title to it. Obviously, just my opinion. |
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04/28/2020 09:03:11 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by roz:
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and who is to judge whether the image actually NEEDS a title to get the message across .. the message might be quite obvious to some ppl and not to others .. without a title that's descriptive ..
and just dont look at the title then .. if you're going to mark ppl down because it doesnt fit in with your views .. |
Judging is a very individual and subjective process, so I think I can use whatever criteria I like to arrive at a score and this includes whether the message comes across to me without the title of not. Others will use other criteria, that is fine. |
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04/28/2020 10:25:59 AM · #35 |
I find it amusing that Barry has taken the all American stance of "title is good because more is better" and Lydia is the European pondering the nuanced difference between being untitled and having a "title" of "Untitled."
I won't reveal my cards, but keep an eye out for whom Lydia might be splitting a baguette with at the corner cafe. |
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04/28/2020 10:41:31 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
I find it amusing that Barry has taken the all American stance of "title is good because more is better" and Lydia is the European pondering the nuanced difference between being untitled and having a "title" of "Untitled."
I won't reveal my cards, but keep an eye out for whom Lydia might be splitting a baguette with at the corner cafe. |
Can I have chocolate drizzle on mine please? :-D |
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04/28/2020 11:26:24 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
I find it amusing that Barry has taken the all American stance of "title is good because more is better" ... |
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04/28/2020 01:45:31 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
I find it amusing that Barry has taken the all American stance of "title is good because more is better" and Lydia is the European pondering the nuanced difference between being untitled and having a "title" of "Untitled."
I won't reveal my cards, but keep an eye out for whom Lydia might be splitting a baguette with at the corner cafe. |
Hahahaha!
I can't wait!
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04/28/2020 02:22:47 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by jomari:
I maintain the right to title my photos as I see fit. Thank you. |
For me, titles will always influence my opinion and overall feeling of an entry. It's part of the presentation. I've sweated out the title on many occasion on my own entries trying to find that right balance. Sometimes a title can help tell the story. Sometimes the image doesn't need any help (those are harder for me to title). When I see an 'Untitled' entry it's almost an immediate one point reduction just because I feel like the photographer couldn't take the time or effort to put a title to it. Obviously, just my opinion. |
I take photos so I don't have to write. The photo is the story.
That being said -- I would love if the new site had the option to show photographer's comments during specific challenge voting. When you go to a museum, many times it's very interesting to read the back story. And sometimes you have a backstory you really want people to know. 
It would be interesting to vote on how well the story resonates with the photo and vice versa.
I would much rather do a comment or explanation than a title. |
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04/28/2020 03:00:20 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by jomari:
I maintain the right to title my photos as I see fit. Thank you. |
For me, titles will always influence my opinion and overall feeling of an entry. It's part of the presentation. I've sweated out the title on many occasion on my own entries trying to find that right balance. Sometimes a title can help tell the story. Sometimes the image doesn't need any help (those are harder for me to title). When I see an 'Untitled' entry it's almost an immediate one point reduction just because I feel like the photographer couldn't take the time or effort to put a title to it. Obviously, just my opinion. |
I take photos so I don't have to write. The photo is the story.
That being said -- I would love if the new site had the option to show photographer's comments during specific challenge voting. When you go to a museum, many times it's very interesting to read the back story. And sometimes you have a backstory you really want people to know.
It would be interesting to vote on how well the story resonates with the photo and vice versa.
I would much rather do a comment or explanation than a title. |
Oh. Some folks know that I usually write a book about my images in the Photog notes. I don't want those read until AFTER voting, and I don't want to read any one else's until AFTER voting.
A photo should stand on its own without need for either a title or a bio on the artist, in my opinion.
I do wish more people would write photog notes, though. I love reading the "behind the scenes" story after voting ends.
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04/28/2020 03:28:25 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by posthumous:
I find it amusing that Barry has taken the all American stance of "title is good because more is better" and Lydia is the European pondering the nuanced difference between being untitled and having a "title" of "Untitled."
I won't reveal my cards, but keep an eye out for whom Lydia might be splitting a baguette with at the corner cafe. |
Can I have chocolate drizzle on mine please? :-D |
I was thinking of piling it with roast beef but a drizzle works just as well! maybe both? |
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04/28/2020 06:29:57 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by posthumous:
I find it amusing that Barry has taken the all American stance of "title is good because more is better" and Lydia is the European pondering the nuanced difference between being untitled and having a "title" of "Untitled."
I won't reveal my cards, but keep an eye out for whom Lydia might be splitting a baguette with at the corner cafe. |
Can I have chocolate drizzle on mine please? :-D |
I was thinking of piling it with roast beef but a drizzle works just as well! maybe both? |
Ok, roast beef with a chocolate drizzle sounds awful... |
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04/28/2020 09:02:10 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Ok, roast beef with a chocolate drizzle sounds awful... |
Think of it as carne asada with some added mole sauce ... |
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04/28/2020 10:09:58 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by vawendy:
Ok, roast beef with a chocolate drizzle sounds awful... |
Think of it as carne asada with some added mole sauce ... |
THAT's a Californio speaking! |
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04/28/2020 10:25:50 PM · #45 |
Ok -- I see your point. I saw a couple of abstracts that were actually fun and intriguing whose straight forward title completely ruined the magic. It's like a magician explaining his trick right after he did it.
Message edited by author 2020-04-28 22:26:31. |
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04/29/2020 02:53:54 AM · #46 |
Wow! Check out these scores and comments! I have not seen 1's and 2's and 3's to make a point in years.
Were I to do it again I would entitle it "Nitpickers". The funny thing is that I took it at an art festival in Cefalu, Sicily.
Thanks for the nice comments and 10's
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04/29/2020 03:50:50 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by MeMex2:
Wow! Check out these scores and comments! I have not seen 1's and 2's and 3's to make a point in years.
Were I to do it again I would entitle it "Nitpickers". The funny thing is that I took it at an art festival in Cefalu, Sicily.
Thanks for the nice comments and 10's
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That is indeed a remarkable discrepancy. I can't understand the low scores but I know and accept that there are different voting systems and we've had more than enough discussion about that.
I liked your entry, intriguing colours and fairly abstract!
Considering your title:
In retrospect, you tried to mislead voters, but that was not recognized. Many thought it was Philadelphia and may therefore feel a little patronized. Maybe...
I really have no clue what was expected, because my entry was a quite fitting abstract imho - not recognizable, a title which didn't "describe" and yet it ended up in the slightly above mediocre range. Probably not exciting enough? Or was it the title? I don't want to complain either (thanks for the lovely comments btw), I just try to figure out, what happened
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04/29/2020 07:56:30 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by MeMex2:
Wow! Check out these scores and comments! I have not seen 1's and 2's and 3's to make a point in years.
Were I to do it again I would entitle it "Nitpickers". The funny thing is that I took it at an art festival in Cefalu, Sicily.
Thanks for the nice comments and 10's
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Are you saying you took a picture of someone else’s work of art? |
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04/29/2020 07:56:55 AM · #49 |
Honestly, I was not trying to mislead voters. It just reminds me of Philadelphia and I get that titles ruin it for some people.
The surprise for me is that people who vote 1,2,and 3's are back. It has been a long time.
I hope Robert is taking note. I had hoped we moved past that practice. It always feels so irrational and angry to me. |
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04/29/2020 08:05:14 AM · #50 |
No Wileum. I took it on the street in Cefalu ..at night in the rain. It reminds me of Philadelphia
and that is why I titled it. It is a street scene, in the rain with blown out saturation.
I get that you do not like titles. I am commenting on people who over emphasizing their displeasure
by voting 1's and 2's. It has not happened here for a few years. |
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