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04/01/2020 12:23:37 AM · #1
What do you think of the comments and feedback, on your entries. Has it helped to see a different perspective, or do you think it didn't help?
04/01/2020 02:53:58 AM · #2
I'm really happy with all the comments which were made. Getting compliments is nice but I'm especially happy with all the constructive critiques I received. I'm relatively new to postprocessing (most of my earlier shots were straight out-of-camera, or with minimal adjustments only). Therefore I'm glad I got so many feedback regarding the postprocessing.

I choose the sepia tone and based on the feedback it is 'you love it or you hate it' I guess. In this case I went for the sepia in order to get the vintage look which I think fits the place with old buildings, no cars visible etc. but after getting these comments I went back to take another look at the color version and did some editing to make it appear more vivid as suggested.

Another really helpful comment was from ' . substr('https://www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', strrpos('https://www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', '/') + 1) . ' JulietNN about dodging & burning. I never went there but I think this can be a starting point for further improvement of my pp skills. ( I recently bought software which uses layers so I have the tools now. Earlier I just used Apple's photo app which is a very basic tool and doesn't allow selective editing). I started playing around with this technique already in the past week and applied some D&B on the coloured outtake I posted.

So all in all It was very helpful and I'm glad I joined. Again, thank you to all commenters!
04/01/2020 04:35:58 AM · #3
Originally posted by Janja:


Another really helpful comment was from ' . substr('https://www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', strrpos('https://www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', '/') + 1) . ' JulietNN about dodging & burning. I never went there but I think this can be a starting point for further improvement of my pp skills. ( I recently bought software which uses layers so I have the tools now. Earlier I just used Apple's photo app which is a very basic tool and doesn't allow selective editing). I started playing around with this technique already in the past week and applied some D&B on the coloured outtake I posted.



Dodging and burning is the best, hardly an entry goes by where I don't do a bit of dodge and burn.

It would be great to hear from the other five.

Message edited by author 2020-04-01 07:27:16.
04/01/2020 08:49:16 AM · #4
Thank you so much I have been on since 2001 competing off and on and itss great to finally win a ribbon. The commenting really helped me see what make a average picture to a ribbon worth one. Cropping I should have done a lot have suggested but I wasn't sure people would have complained if it was just reflections and no point of reference to the original scenery. This is what a lot suggested to do cut out background https://www.dpchallenge.com/profile.php I put it as my profile picture since im not a member I cant put in a profolio.

Message edited by author 2020-04-01 09:12:29.
04/01/2020 09:52:20 AM · #5
Originally posted by Wildpurple:

but I wasn't sure people would have complained if it was just reflections and no point of reference to the original scenery.

I have found that sometimes if an entry is too abstract in a challenge that is not abstract specific, it can get low voted because people like to be able to tell what it is. In your case however, it is obvious that it is a reflection of trees in water.
04/01/2020 01:42:02 PM · #6
7.2597

I'm just going to leave that there, because for the life of me I cannot understand how you people score an image.

This isn't about the photographers in this challenge or their images, it's about those of you who stuck numbers on them. I know photographers who have busted their buns here in challenge after challenge and never gotten a 7 from you all. If they're not insulted and a little pissed off then they should be. For crying out loud, that's higher than the #2 image in the Hidden Gem 3000 challenge. I get voting within a set of expectations but my god there has to be some level of consistency in how you view a photo, doesn't there?!

Rant over.
04/01/2020 01:53:20 PM · #7
Originally posted by JakeKurdsjuk:

7.2597

I'm just going to leave that there, because for the life of me I cannot understand how you people score an image.

Some people specifically stated in the comments that they were giving higher scores than they normally would have given those photos. I wasn't one of them.

The weird voting actually makes me glad I didn't enter the challenge.
04/01/2020 02:01:19 PM · #8
Yup, I have to agree with you there. Beats my PB and if they entered it into the Woodburytype challenge it would have got the blue (apparently).

I do understand the reasoning for this challenge (bad timing this time) and congrats to those who took part but as Jake says, voting should have been 'normal' not so over the top. I'm about to go look at some comments as 've not done that yet.

Originally posted by JakeKurdsjuk:

7.2597

I'm just going to leave that there, because for the life of me I cannot understand how you people score an image.

This isn't about the photographers in this challenge or their images, it's about those of you who stuck numbers on them. I know photographers who have busted their buns here in challenge after challenge and never gotten a 7 from you all. If they're not insulted and a little pissed off then they should be. For crying out loud, that's higher than the #2 image in the Hidden Gem 3000 challenge. I get voting within a set of expectations but my god there has to be some level of consistency in how you view a photo, doesn't there?!

Rant over.
04/02/2020 10:40:54 PM · #9
I was extremely happy with the responses to my image. I have to admit that it wasn't what I wanted to post, but this virus thing has made the places I wanted to shoot unavailable. I guess it really made me think about the lighting, time of day to shoot, and more of what to consider before submitting an image. I got 20 reviews, and the hecklers I have to thank.
04/03/2020 12:34:11 AM · #10
Originally posted by Ecce_Signum:

Yup, I have to agree with you there. Beats my PB and if they entered it into the Woodburytype challenge it would have got the blue (apparently).

I do understand the reasoning for this challenge (bad timing this time) and congrats to those who took part but as Jake says, voting should have been 'normal' not so over the top. I'm about to go look at some comments as 've not done that yet.

Originally posted by JakeKurdsjuk:

7.2597

I'm just going to leave that there, because for the life of me I cannot understand how you people score an image.

This isn't about the photographers in this challenge or their images, it's about those of you who stuck numbers on them. I know photographers who have busted their buns here in challenge after challenge and never gotten a 7 from you all. If they're not insulted and a little pissed off then they should be. For crying out loud, that's higher than the #2 image in the Hidden Gem 3000 challenge. I get voting within a set of expectations but my god there has to be some level of consistency in how you view a photo, doesn't there?!

Rant over.


I do not think I over voted at all. I took what I would have voted on a Free Study (which is ever harder) but gave out reasonable points, I believe. I scored as a normal challenge with the best begin first and the end being the worst scoring It is the same as the challenge Perseid Meteor Shower, very few entries, but higher scores.

I kinda think that this is being just mean. It is a singular challenge, and people had to vote , as they saw it, on the best entries. So what ever the score, for this singular challenge is deserved.

Stop this nonsense and stop making people feel bad about their scoring, scores, photos or placement. It is petty and honestly, at this point, I feel you are all belittling people and showing how petty and nasty you can be. Maybe tomorrow, I will fell different and regret what I just wrote and beat myself mentally up and feel ashamed that I spoke up. but , seriously, be nicer, patient, and all the other things I want to say, but Know I will regret saying by morning.

Stop being dicks.
04/03/2020 08:58:23 AM · #11
The idea behind your suggestion was to get more 'new' ribbon winners Juliet. This challenge came at an inopportune moment for all but I must applaud the number of commenters.

If everybody had voted in their normal 'style' I have no doubt the current standings would remain the same but with a more realistic final vote. Yes, for many the Blue is worthy of a 7.2 however I think it is wrong to call myself or Jake out for thinking differently and you are really doing exactly the same thing. Neither of us complained about your voting Juliet however, after reading the comments you openly gave your scores and thinking behind them.

Of course we all want the site to grow again, I just happen to fall in the camp of not thinking this is the best way forward but am often wrong and am happy it was trialled (and maybe again when the current climate eases?).

I also think some kind of 'mentoring' system might work whereby (say) a non ribbon winner requests help/guidance from one member in pool of volunteer 'ribbon hogs' (for want of a better name). They can give tips/advice etc but no actual editing of said images. Rather than for a single challenge it could be for a number of challenges or period of time?

As for being a dick Juliet, you know me better than you think ;)

Originally posted by JulietNN:

Originally posted by Ecce_Signum:

Yup, I have to agree with you there. Beats my PB and if they entered it into the Woodburytype challenge it would have got the blue (apparently).

I do understand the reasoning for this challenge (bad timing this time) and congrats to those who took part but as Jake says, voting should have been 'normal' not so over the top. I'm about to go look at some comments as I've not done that yet.

Originally posted by JakeKurdsjuk:

7.2597

I'm just going to leave that there, because for the life of me I cannot understand how you people score an image.

This isn't about the photographers in this challenge or their images, it's about those of you who stuck numbers on them. I know photographers who have busted their buns here in challenge after challenge and never gotten a 7 from you all. If they're not insulted and a little pissed off then they should be. For crying out loud, that's higher than the #2 image in the Hidden Gem 3000 challenge. I get voting within a set of expectations but my god there has to be some level of consistency in how you view a photo, doesn't there?!

Rant over.


I do not think I over voted at all. I took what I would have voted on a Free Study (which is ever harder) but gave out reasonable points, I believe. I scored as a normal challenge with the best begin first and the end being the worst scoring It is the same as the challenge Perseid Meteor Shower, very few entries, but higher scores.

I kinda think that this is being just mean. It is a singular challenge, and people had to vote , as they saw it, on the best entries. So what ever the score, for this singular challenge is deserved.

Stop this nonsense and stop making people feel bad about their scoring, scores, photos or placement. It is petty and honestly, at this point, I feel you are all belittling people and showing how petty and nasty you can be. Maybe tomorrow, I will fell different and regret what I just wrote and beat myself mentally up and feel ashamed that I spoke up. but , seriously, be nicer, patient, and all the other things I want to say, but Know I will regret saying by morning.

Stop being dicks.
04/03/2020 10:56:28 AM · #12
Originally posted by JulietNN:

Stop this nonsense and stop making people feel bad about their scoring, scores, photos or placement. It is petty and honestly, at this point, I feel you are all belittling people and showing how petty and nasty you can be. <snip>

Stop being dicks.

Yep. 100% agree.

Look, the scores don't mean sh*t from a numerical standpoint except for tabulations for placement.

I've been here for over 13 years and have somehow managed to obtain 20 ribbons. This score beat all mine.

So what?

The intent of this was to have give some people hope, let them feel like they have a chance, and just in general, since it was suggested in the community, have the community know that people care.

Nobody got hurt by this.......or if you did, figuratively speaking, maybe the community isn't the place to look for the cause.
04/03/2020 10:58:51 AM · #13
Originally posted by Ecce_Signum:

If everybody had voted in their normal 'style' I have no doubt the current standings would remain the same but with a more realistic final vote.

What's not realistic about the scores?
Compared to what?
Aren't entries only compared to their competition in any given challenge?

The entry with the highest score wins. Exactly what happened in this challenge, just like every other challenge.
04/04/2020 05:10:06 PM · #14
Originally posted by JulietNN:

I do not think I over voted at all. I took what I would have voted on a Free Study (which is ever harder) but gave out reasonable points, I believe. I scored as a normal challenge with the best begin first and the end being the worst scoring It is the same as the challenge Perseid Meteor Shower, very few entries, but higher scores.

I kinda think that this is being just mean. It is a singular challenge, and people had to vote , as they saw it, on the best entries. So what ever the score, for this singular challenge is deserved.

Stop this nonsense and stop making people feel bad about their scoring, scores, photos or placement. It is petty and honestly, at this point, I feel you are all belittling people and showing how petty and nasty you can be. Maybe tomorrow, I will fell different and regret what I just wrote and beat myself mentally up and feel ashamed that I spoke up. but , seriously, be nicer, patient, and all the other things I want to say, but Know I will regret saying by morning.

Stop being dicks.


This dick stands behind his words.

This isn't being mean, it's a nit I've had since month 1 here.

And FFS the FIRST thing I said is that this wasn't about the people in the challenge.

The first two comments after mine got my intent precisely, that in a world where our profiles show our top 5 scored images, an image that I would have struggled to give more than a 5 to now stands above the personal best of many more accomplished photographers. So again, does the top image in a challenge deserve a 10? You've said that your scoring was like that of a Free Study, and I agree that that's how it should have been scored. But if every image deserved a 4 thru 6 and you felt the need to bump one or more up then no, you didn't score it that way.

I GET adjusting scores to meet the challenge so maybe you rate your top photo and instead of rewarding mediocrity (and yes, every image in this was at best OK, and I've explained that in great detail to each entry - AND suggested ways in which they could improve) maybe giving the worst image a 1 or 2 when the best doesn't deserve more than a 6 isn't a crime, because it recognizes the talent of those who have done well enough to have been left out of this challenge.

When we pat folks on the back for personal bests then it should mean something. But in one fell swoop the voters in this challenge shat upon that. We vote 1 to 10 from "bad" to "good", NOT worst to best. You all chose a rightful winner, and with one small swap I am in total agreement with the finish. But you dumped on every decent photographer that you've never given an 8 thru 10 to during a normal Free Study because, as I said, the way many of you vote is incoherent at best.

Message edited by author 2020-04-04 17:11:04.
04/04/2020 05:33:19 PM · #15
And not for nothing but Iíve never pulled punches here but not once did I call someone a dick, even when they deserved it.
04/04/2020 09:08:00 PM · #16
Originally posted by JakeKurdsjuk:

We vote 1 to 10 from "bad" to "good", NOT worst to best.

I vote best to worst in every challenge. Each challenge is it's own microcosm. I often hand out a one and ten in each and every challenge.

Personally I think you're putting too much stock in the actual numbers. They're meaningless. Their only function is to order positions of the photos within a singular challenge, which they did in this challenge.
04/05/2020 06:41:48 AM · #17
Originally posted by Venser:

Personally I think you're putting too much stock in the actual numbers. They're meaningless. Their only function is to order positions of the photos within a singular challenge, which they did in this challenge.


I disagree. I regard scores as a way to rate my photos against my performance in the past. My goal is to one day better my PB - a score of 6.9849, which I achieved back in August 2002. However I don't want to do it with an inferior photo.
04/05/2020 06:57:11 AM · #18
At the risk of having my head bitten off again I'm in agreement with Gina. If the individual challenge score means no more than a way of showing placement in just that single challenge then why is the average vote received/given displayed on your profile page? Surely that is meaningless?

I too use my average vote received to gauge my progress (or lack of) over time. Maybe I've been doing this wrong all this time?

Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

Originally posted by Venser:

Personally I think you're putting too much stock in the actual numbers. They're meaningless. Their only function is to order positions of the photos within a singular challenge, which they did in this challenge.


I disagree. I regard scores as a way to rate my photos against my performance in the past. My goal is to one day better my PB - a score of 6.9849, which I achieved back in August 2002. However I don't want to do it with an inferior photo.
04/05/2020 11:52:05 AM · #19
Originally posted by JakeKurdsjuk:

And not for nothing but Iíve never pulled punches here but not once did I call someone a dick, even when they deserved it.

Just saw the OP. You're right, nobody shoulda called anybody a "dick". It's a little late to unwind the string, but I'll pop off a PM to the perp :-)

04/05/2020 12:10:08 PM · #20
I have been duly flogged and my hut semi burnt down by Bear, in the loveliest way possible =)

=)~
04/05/2020 12:18:59 PM · #21
Originally posted by Ecce_Signum:

At the risk of having my head bitten off again I'm in agreement with Gina. If the individual challenge score means no more than a way of showing placement in just that single challenge then why is the average vote received/given displayed on your profile page? Surely that is meaningless?

I too use my average vote received to gauge my progress (or lack of) over time. Maybe I've been doing this wrong all this time?

Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

Originally posted by Venser:

Personally I think you're putting too much stock in the actual numbers. They're meaningless. Their only function is to order positions of the photos within a singular challenge, which they did in this challenge.


I disagree. I regard scores as a way to rate my photos against my performance in the past. My goal is to one day better my PB - a score of 6.9849, which I achieved back in August 2002. However I don't want to do it with an inferior photo.


And there's this too. Except I don't know why it was felt necessary back in the day to have a 'lowest' as well.

ETA - This also.

Message edited by author 2020-04-05 12:20:46.
04/05/2020 12:26:40 PM · #22
Originally posted by glad2badad:

ETA - This also.

I agree, it should list only DPCers who entered at least 100 challenges (or a similar number)
04/05/2020 12:31:50 PM · #23
Originally posted by glad2badad:


And there's this too. Except I don't know why it was felt necessary back in the day to have a 'lowest' as well.

ETA - This also.


+1

I've often described DPC to others as being sort of like the game of golf. You get your average and no matter how high or low your average is, if you beat it, you win!

I vote every image according to itself, not compared to other entries in a challenge. (Why should an excellent image not get an excellent score just because other people also entered excellent images?) Occasionally, I'll bump one I really like a point over the rest on the second go 'round if I feel strongly about it being better than the others.

04/05/2020 10:10:56 PM · #24
Originally posted by glad2badad:

And there's this too. Except I don't know why it was felt necessary back in the day to have a 'lowest' as well.

Maybe to remind us of why we do what we do.
a poet none of us knew.
04/05/2020 10:58:14 PM · #25
Originally posted by pointandshoot:

Originally posted by glad2badad:

And there's this too. Except I don't know why it was felt necessary back in the day to have a 'lowest' as well.

Maybe to remind us of why we do what we do.
a poet none of us knew.


I think that I don't understand.

I LOVE it that Ashley was into photography and it helped her in her very, VERY rough spot.
I really hope that it helped her and that she's doing really well now.

But, what does that have to do with scores? What did I miss, please?

I'd love to know how Ashley is now, if you have info on her!

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