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02/15/2020 11:23:38 AM · #1
I was pretty happy with my 6.2 at 5 votes this morning . . . until I looked through all the entries. WOW! Soooo many great ones! I predict it will take a very high 7 to win this one. What a nice change :)
02/15/2020 12:56:25 PM · #2
I agree with you, there are some great submission, but still, I'm not able to find enough submissions that takes the advantage of the "Extended" ruleset (that in my opinion is very mandatory in this kind of contests). So I'm happy as "viewer" to enjoy such great pictures, but not so happy as "voter" :-)
02/15/2020 01:19:39 PM · #3
Originally posted by the_rkp:

I agree with you, there are some great submission, but still, I'm not able to find enough submissions that takes the advantage of the "Extended" ruleset (that in my opinion is very mandatory in this kind of contests). So I'm happy as "viewer" to enjoy such great pictures, but not so happy as "voter" :-)


I kind of disagree - but maybe our definitions of "take advantage of the 'Extended' ruleset" are different. I was pleasantly surprised by the number of entries that I felt did exactly that.
Plus there are always entries that appear not to have done so but that actually have . . . IMO the skill and vision required to create pieces like that can be quite equal to that required to create something that is "obvious" (no matter how much I may enjoy the latter).
Plus plus :) there's never any rule, as you know, that says one HAS to take advantage of any particular liberties allowed by the, shall we say, more generous rule sets.
02/15/2020 02:15:04 PM · #4
I am also very impressed with the amount of fantastic images entered!

02/15/2020 04:46:22 PM · #5
Yes, of course there is no rule that force you to do that, but, also, there is no rule that "forbid" you to send a portrait in a challenge named "landscape", but, ehy, who would like to see a portrait in a landscape contest? ;-)
02/15/2020 04:56:19 PM · #6
Originally posted by the_rkp:

I agree with you, there are some great submission, but still, I'm not able to find enough submissions that takes the advantage of the "Extended" ruleset (that in my opinion is very mandatory in this kind of contests). So I'm happy as "viewer" to enjoy such great pictures, but not so happy as "voter" :-)


I'm also disappointed in that comment. There was a shot that I was going to enter that was definitely extended editing, but (if I had done it well) there would have been no way you could have told that I used that ruleset. There are many people that use extended to create fantasy scenes, but I'd rather use extended to create the scenes that I wanted to happen, but didn't naturally occur. So it's a shame if people are guessing wrong when voting and punishing someone for making a realistic scene. :(
02/15/2020 05:42:35 PM · #7
Originally posted by the_rkp:

I agree with you, there are some great submission, but still, I'm not able to find enough submissions that takes the advantage of the "Extended" ruleset (that in my opinion is very mandatory in this kind of contests). So I'm happy as "viewer" to enjoy such great pictures, but not so happy as "voter" :-)


I put an image in the extended free study that used the extended rules and could not be entered otherwise. If you could tell what I did, I would have done a poor job with the processing. There are ways to take advantage of the extended rules that are not obvious and should be given an extra point not a lower score because you can't tell! The real skill is shown when you can't tell what was done with a realistic photo!!
02/15/2020 06:09:11 PM · #8
Originally posted by Donna-Dee:

Originally posted by the_rkp:

I agree with you, there are some great submission, but still, I'm not able to find enough submissions that takes the advantage of the "Extended" ruleset (that in my opinion is very mandatory in this kind of contests). So I'm happy as "viewer" to enjoy such great pictures, but not so happy as "voter" :-)


I put an image in the extended free study that used the extended rules and could not be entered otherwise. If you could tell what I did, I would have done a poor job with the processing. There are ways to take advantage of the extended rules that are not obvious and should be given an extra point not a lower score because you can't tell! The real skill is shown when you can't tell what was done with a realistic photo!!

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That is so true.
02/15/2020 06:13:11 PM · #9
Originally posted by the_rkp:

Yes, of course there is no rule that force you to do that, but, also, there is no rule that "forbid" you to send a portrait in a challenge named "landscape", but, ehy, who would like to see a portrait in a landscape contest? ;-)


Extended editing is not a stipulation for entering the challenge. It just offers you greater flexibility in the composition and use of more technical aspects of photography to create your picture. For instance using multiple images. It does not determine the quality of the final image.

Message edited by author 2020-02-15 18:14:45.
02/15/2020 08:07:37 PM · #10
Guys I didn't want to disappoint no one, I'm sorry if I did, but this is my personal opinion:

In my opinion the tile of the contest is Sacred (hope this is the right word to use, sorry I'm also not so good in English). This means that if in the contest title there is the word "Extended", the submission must be something done that way, and if the viewer is not able to understand it (i.e. the picture is too realistic), this is a DNMC.

Of course, the topic is different in other contest kind (e.g. The Imagery of T.S.Eliot contest) where, as Lawrence says, the Extended ruleset gives you just more flexibility, but is, of course, not mandatory to use extended techniques in your submission.

Again, this is "my two cents" and I hope no one feels offended by this. If so, I apoligize.
Peace :-p
02/15/2020 08:24:25 PM · #11
I would argue that “Free Study” is the theme and “Extended” is the ruleset. No aggro attached.
02/15/2020 08:28:42 PM · #12
Originally posted by Donna-Dee:

Originally posted by the_rkp:

I agree with you, there are some great submission, but still, I'm not able to find enough submissions that takes the advantage of the "Extended" ruleset (that in my opinion is very mandatory in this kind of contests). So I'm happy as "viewer" to enjoy such great pictures, but not so happy as "voter" :-)


I put an image in the extended free study that used the extended rules and could not be entered otherwise. If you could tell what I did, I would have done a poor job with the processing. There are ways to take advantage of the extended rules that are not obvious and should be given an extra point not a lower score because you can't tell! The real skill is shown when you can't tell what was done with a realistic photo!!


I believe that Ricardo understands by Extended editing creating some kind of computer art. This is not the case here.
"Extended editing" means to use tools (ways) that are not allowed in standard editing but does not mean making necessarily an illustration. If you want to make one, yes, this is the place to post it but it shall not be used as an example and vote down the others because of it.
02/15/2020 08:38:30 PM · #13
And as I intended this to be a scores thread, I'll start again. Mine is now closer to where I thought it would be and to where I would expect given the competition.

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02/15/2020 11:16:50 PM · #14
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02/16/2020 03:36:38 AM · #15
Originally posted by mariuca:

I believe that Ricardo understands by Extended editing creating some kind of computer art. This is not the case here.
"Extended editing" means to use tools (ways) that are not allowed in standard editing but does not mean making necessarily an illustration.

Mariuca, can you define "illustration"? I have seen composite images in Extended Editing that I would call "fine art" rather than illustration. I am confused.
02/16/2020 09:14:14 AM · #16
Originally posted by the_rkp:

This means that if in the contest title there is the word "Extended", the submission must be something done that way, and if the viewer is not able to understand it (i.e. the picture is too realistic), this is a DNMC.

Absolutely, unequivocally not! Extended simply means that rule set is allowed, basically the maximum level of creativeness can be applied, it does not state, in ANY way that entries must either use or demonstrate that editing only allowed under Extended have been applied.

You are fully within your right to hold that opinion, as I am in mine, and others' theirs as well. Although it's my opinion that putting a DNMC label on it is a bit extreme.
02/16/2020 09:16:06 AM · #17
Originally posted by marnet:

Originally posted by mariuca:

I believe that Ricardo understands by Extended editing creating some kind of computer art. This is not the case here.
"Extended editing" means to use tools (ways) that are not allowed in standard editing but does not mean making necessarily an illustration.

Mariuca, can you define "illustration"? I have seen composite images in Extended Editing that I would call "fine art" rather than illustration. I am confused.

I've seen entries in Standard rules that look like illustrations with the heavy application of "painterly" filters. I've done it once or twice, as have you.

ETA - In retrospect I could not find the entry where I had applied a painterly look. Think I chickened out and pulled it in place of something else. I did however try going over the top once with this entry (not painterly however).

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Message edited by author 2020-02-16 09:29:15.
02/16/2020 10:26:53 AM · #18
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by the_rkp:

This means that if in the contest title there is the word "Extended", the submission must be something done that way, and if the viewer is not able to understand it (i.e. the picture is too realistic), this is a DNMC.

Absolutely, unequivocally not! Extended simply means that rule set is allowed, basically the maximum level of creativeness can be applied, it does not state, in ANY way that entries must either use or demonstrate that editing only allowed under Extended have been applied.

You are fully within your right to hold that opinion, as I am in mine, and others' theirs as well. Although it's my opinion that putting a DNMC label on it is a bit extreme.


I like a certain type of BG in my pictures. Very often that means taking bits out of the original picture to achieve that, which is only allowed in extended.
To the viewer it may not look at all like anything much had been done to the picture and/or it could be thought of that the picture was shot that way, but extended editing allows me to do that, whereas the other editing rules don't.

Having said all that, I absolutely love to see images where I can see the extended rule having been applied. That does not mean I score other good images lower.
02/16/2020 10:30:08 AM · #19
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by marnet:

Originally posted by mariuca:

I believe that Ricardo understands by Extended editing creating some kind of computer art. This is not the case here.
"Extended editing" means to use tools (ways) that are not allowed in standard editing but does not mean making necessarily an illustration.

Mariuca, can you define "illustration"? I have seen composite images in Extended Editing that I would call "fine art" rather than illustration. I am confused.

I've seen entries in Standard rules that look like illustrations with the heavy application of "painterly" filters. I've done it once or twice, as have you.

ETA - In retrospect I could not find the entry where I had applied a painterly look. Think I chickened out and pulled it in place of something else. I did however try going over the top once with this entry (not painterly however).

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Wow! you entered that under Standard editing rules? Do you think you received the low score because people objected to the heavy edit?
02/16/2020 11:10:50 AM · #20
Well, now it's moving down toward what I would call the disappointed range :) I can only hope that many many of the other entries are faring much better :)

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02/16/2020 12:59:38 PM · #21
Originally posted by nam:

Well, now it's moving down toward what I would call the disappointed range :) I can only hope that many many of the other entries are faring much better :)

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Nope,,,,,
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02/16/2020 07:29:29 PM · #22
Originally posted by nam:

Well, now it's moving down toward what I would call the disappointed range :) I can only hope that many many of the other entries are faring much better :)

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My 20th vote was a one, if that helps, maybe it was meant to be a 10 haha...
02/16/2020 09:13:49 PM · #23
Originally posted by Neat:

. . .

My 20th vote was a one, if that helps, maybe it was meant to be a 10 haha...


I'm sure it was :)
02/18/2020 02:29:14 PM · #24
Unofficial ranking of 2019

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