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10/21/2019 05:17:20 PM · #1
Lightroom is getting slow, and Photoshop and Topaz are even slower. Time for an upgrade. Started looking around newegg and realized my last build was 2015 and the one before that was 2010 so it looks like I'm on the 5-year plan.

Here is what I came up with -- interested in your thoughts and reactions. (I'm looking at you, ' . substr('https://www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('https://www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' kirbic) :-)

CPU: Intel Core i9-9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 GHz (to replace Core i5-6600K 6M Skylake 3.5 GHz)
MoBo: ASUS Prime Z-390A (to replace ASUS Z-170A
Graphics: MSI GeForce GTX-1060 (to replace EVGA GeForce GTX-960
C:/: Intel 660p Series M.2 2280 1TB SSD.

Going to re-use the Fractal Design case from the last build. Not sure if I need to replace my 5-year-old PSU (EVGA 650-W) which is working fine. Will probably upgrade memory to 32GB DDR4-3200 (v. DDR4 2800) but not sure that is necessary either. Wondering if I can/should reformat the old C:/drive (Intel 750 Series 400GB SSD) and use it as a secondary application drive.

Have at it ... looking forward to hearing your feedback and suggestions. Most of this is based on newegg reviews, familiarity (ASUS/Intel), and puget systems recommendations for LR and PS builds. I only look at this stuff once every 5 years so I am betting there is something new to consider that i haven't even thought of!

10/22/2019 12:24:22 AM · #2
I am in the same boat, last build in 2015. I built my two previous PCs, the current one from 2015 has:

CPU: i7 4790 3.6 GHz
Mobo: Asus H87-M-Pro
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH 12P SE
GPU: Asus NVidia 2GB GTX 750 Ti
RAM DDR3: 16G
SSD/HDD: Samsung 840 Series 250GB
PSU: Seasonic X-Series 650W
Case: Fractal Design Define R2
Windows 7 Pro

I am currently thinking about:
Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 3800X - up to 4.50GHz - 8 cores / 16 threads
CPU cooler: Air: Noctua NH-U14S - ULN quiet
Memory: 32GB - (2x 16GB) - 3200MHz - CL16 - G. Skill Ripjaws V
Hard disk: 2TB - Samsung 860 EVO
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 Aorus Ultra - 1xLAN - 10x USB - WLAN + BT
Graphics card (s): Asus ROG Strix GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER OC - 8GB - silent mode - 2xHDMI / 2xDP
Power supply: 750W - 80+ gold - Be quiet!
Case: Be quiet! Dark Base 700
Windows 10

I started building my own PCs because it was difficult to buy a silent PC. Now it is a bit easier so I might just buy it assembled. I am yet to check if LR supports the above graphics card, it doesn't my current one.

10/22/2019 12:45:26 PM · #3
Nice set up. I thought about switching to AMD but read that LR is not really optimized to take advantage of the speed except on exporting, which is not a heavy load for me. So I defaulted back to an overclockable Intel CPU. But now I am going to take a look at the Gigabyte board you found and might go in that direction instead.
10/22/2019 01:57:45 PM · #4
Some of the i9 processors are certainly attractive now with the recent large price drops... my desktop system is starting to look a little dated as well. It seems as if AMD has leapfrogged Intel a bit at the moment; historically they were always less power efficient than Intel, but their current product line is more efficient than the 9th-gen Intel processors. Some of the 10th gen Intel processors are looking good, but there is not a lot of selection in the desktop arena yet (more for mobile at this point). 10th gen is where Intel is bringing in its 10nm process node, whereas AMD is already at 10nm, and has been for a little while. All in all, I am holding back doing anything until probably mid-2020, waiting for the 10th-gen processor offerings to be rounded out.
As far as graphics, I will stay with the nVidia professional graphics cards, probably a P1000.
10/23/2019 10:39:38 AM · #5
Thanks, Fritz. I found this article that seems to claim that AMD improves LR performance by 20% over i9:
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Lightroom-Classic-CPU-Roundup-AMD-Ryzen-3rd-Gen-AMD-Threadripper-2-Intel-9th-Gen-Intel-X-series-1592/#AretheRyzen3rdgenerationCPUsgoodforLightroomClassic?

With the latest LR version I will need to move to Windows 10 sooner than later as I will need a new GPU that supports DirectX 12 (https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-classic/kb/lightroom-gpu-faq.html) and Intel Skylake GPU or later. I looked at Nvidia Quadro P1000 that you mentioned but I found this:
https://www.pugetsystems.com/recommended/Recommended-Systems-for-Adobe-Lightroom-Classic-CC-141/Hardware-Recommendations

Quote:
"What GPU (video card) is best for Lightroom Classic?

Lightroom Classic cannot effectively utilize a high-end GPU at the moment, but we still recommend a mid-range GPU as many other related application like Photoshop do use the GPU more heavily. For most users, a GTX 1060 or RTX 2070 are a solid choice."

and
"Does Lightroom Classic need a Quadro card?

Lightroom Classic can use a Quadro card, but for most users a GeForce card is the better option. Not only are GeForce cards much more affordable, they are able to match or beat the performance of the Quadro cards at a fraction of the cost. Typically, the main reason to use a Quadro card is to get support for 10-bit displays, but Lightroom does not currently support that feature."

so I am a bit lost what to do.

The main problem I have at the moment is that I get very frequent crashes in LR Classic while editing, particularly with Spot Removal and Adjustment Brush tools. What happens is that my mouse freezes and I get white screen or partially white. It might take from few seconds to even minutes to get back to the edit.

Anyone else experiencing this? Would replacement of GPU (with move to Windows 10) fix the problem?
10/23/2019 04:20:45 PM · #6
With respect to Lr and GPUs, this page may be useful. The GeForce cards are definitely a little more affordable, however I'd hesitate to say "a fraction of the cost." The Quadro cards have always been rock solid for me. Not to say they are the right choice for everyone.
10/24/2019 07:24:24 PM · #7
Interesting on the GTX cards that link to Adobe suggests the GTX-960 provides all the power LR can handle. Has me rethinking whether to upgrade the graphics card now. Might just keep using my GTX-960 and then upgrade later if performance lags or LR gets updated. Is there any downside to continuing to use a 5-year old card in a new build? Do they wear out slowly or just crap out all at once?
10/24/2019 08:04:46 PM · #8
Wellwe have a "Camera" store went in to Buy a memory card and the young thing serving said, we dont have any in stock have to order, so I went to warehouse stationary, and got a 4mb for spare and $nz 3.00.cost
10/24/2019 09:11:32 PM · #9
Originally posted by EstimatedEyes:

Interesting on the GTX cards that link to Adobe suggests the GTX-960 provides all the power LR can handle. Has me rethinking whether to upgrade the graphics card now. Might just keep using my GTX-960 and then upgrade later if performance lags or LR gets updated. Is there any downside to continuing to use a 5-year old card in a new build? Do they wear out slowly or just crap out all at once?


As long as it supports what your needs, there's little risk in transplanting the 960 to your new build... I take it that you are nto a heavy Ps user then. Ps does as far as I know, make more extensive use of GPU resources. I expect that as it is updated, Lr's use of GPU resources will also expand. The responsiveness of Lr is still, IMO, in need of some improvement.

When Graphics cards fail, there may or may not be warning. But 5 years isn't all that old, especially if the heatsink has been kept relatively clean
10/25/2019 12:17:28 AM · #10
Originally posted by marnet:


The main problem I have at the moment is that I get very frequent crashes in LR Classic while editing, particularly with Spot Removal and Adjustment Brush tools. What happens is that my mouse freezes and I get white screen or partially white. It might take from few seconds to even minutes to get back to the edit.

Anyone else experiencing this? Would replacement of GPU (with move to Windows 10) fix the problem?


Re-quoting this. Just updated the driver for my current NVidia 2GB GTX 750 Ti and LR got even slower with longer freezes! Any ideas? If nobody else experiences it (I cannot find anything like that on the Internet) then maybe it is something else than GPU in my current build???

What else could cause mouse to freeze and the screen go white in LR?
10/25/2019 09:54:41 AM · #11
Originally posted by marnet:

...What else could cause mouse to freeze and the screen go white in LR?


Unfortunately there are a lot of things that can potentially cause this. I had a similar problem years ago and I don't recall what the ultimate solution was but it was a painful process to solve.
Some things to try:
- Run for a while in Safe Mode, and see if that eliminates it. If so, it's unlikely to be related to the graphics card.
- Disconnect USB peripherals and test. USB peripherals have been known to be at the root of this kind of behavior
- Update BIOS
- Update any drivers related to storage
- Update any drivers related to network hardware
My feeling is this is not related to your graphics card, but I could certainly be wrong.
10/26/2019 10:34:06 AM · #12
Thanks, Fritz. These ideas made me think. If nobody else has this exact problem then it must be something in my specific setup, still trying to work out what.

One more thought - would size of the catalog affect performance? I tend to have one catalog per year sorted by date, 2019 catalog has already 59,000 files ;)
10/26/2019 11:34:48 AM · #13
Originally posted by marnet:

Thanks, Fritz. These ideas made me think. If nobody else has this exact problem then it must be something in my specific setup, still trying to work out what.

One more thought - would size of the catalog affect performance? I tend to have one catalog per year sorted by date, 2019 catalog has already 59,000 files ;)


59k files is really nothing. If you start getting toward a couple hundred thousand, that might be a performance drag. Might. Still shouldn't cause what you are seeing. My bet is on a specific peripheral or subsystem as the culprit.
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