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11/01/2004 01:12:32 AM · #1
How do you rate pictures?
What do you base on to give a "1" or a "10" To pictures in the contest i'm just curious.
11/01/2004 01:20:34 AM · #2
Victor - your going to get lots of different approaches. I have evolved to the following and it will likely change again:

One pass to group into 4's. 5's & 6's - normally based on two issues, does it meet challenge and overall first impression of quality.

Second pass to raise or lower based on closer look at the two points above.

Third pass to comment on all high and low scores and a few in the middle. I try to comment on 20% or so.

Hope that gets you started.
J.B.

Message edited by author 2004-11-01 01:21:38.
11/01/2004 01:23:07 AM · #3
Originally posted by jbsmithana:

Victor - your going to get lots of different approaches. I have evolved to the following and it will likely change again:

One pass to group into 4's. 5's & 6's - normally based on two issues, does it meet challenge and overall first impression of quality.

Second pass to raise or lower based on closer look at the two points above.

Third pass to comment on all high and low scores and a few in the middle. I try to comment on 20% or so.

Hope that gets you started.
J.B.


Essentially my approach, too.
11/01/2004 01:28:48 AM · #4
lots of people ask this question when they 1st start on this site for me its a mix of everything (like that helps) but there are some old threads that have discussed this very same topic.(you might check those)
if i had to anlize my voting though, i would say that i tend to be a little more harch when giving out tens the shot that ends up getting one is (IMHO) one that a.)has exelente comp.,b.)is refind tec. wise and has nothing to be found rong with poor lighting etc.,c.)it has to fitt the challenge but be great of unique and out of the box.

when i give ones it is usally b/cthe person has failed missruable in one of these areas and needs to re shoot but if i give them a 1 it will be accomponed buy a comment stating what i think could be improved.

as far as the in between scores it is pretty much just degrees of these earler stated a,b,c, it also spreds to tast but that of corse is tast.

good luck to you and my rec. is look at you fav. all time shots find what you like in them and then look for thoses quiloties in the shots that you put a vote in on.

_brando_
11/01/2004 01:45:17 AM · #5
Well, I think it works like this
Better than my entry - 1,2 or 3
worse then my entry, 5,6,7
everything else, 4

Oh I'm sorry, that's how I figure the voting goes on my entries. LOL

Really bad photograph, 1-3 with a comment as to why
small pic, 3 +-1 with a comment
Something i'd frame, or have on my wall or pay for or use a wallpaper on my computer, 7-10
Most get 5 from me, with 4 or 6 for better or worse than 'average'. If it does not meet the challenge, i generally deduct 2 points. maybe 3 if it makes no sense to me.
I give it 1 more if it shows great effort, creativity or some other unique quality.
11/01/2004 01:46:33 AM · #6
1 = very bad
10 = very good

11/01/2004 07:49:51 AM · #7
Don't hesitate to use the whole scale, 1 thru 10. There is a best and worst entry in every challenge. Use the 1 and the 10 to express your feelings on which is best and worst.
11/01/2004 09:07:38 AM · #8
I use the whole scale all the time. There are some times that there doesn't exist an image that rates a 1 and sometimes not even a 2 or a 3.

To me, a 1 is an image that doesn't meet the challenge and has so many things wrong with it technically that it shouldn't have been entered in the first place.

To me a 10 is something for which I can find nothing that can be improved. For me I generally have a lot of 9's and 8's and maybe only one 10 in a challenge. I may have a few 3's and 4's but a lot of images rate at least a 5.

This way of scoring comes from my experience with photo competitions I've participated in and the 'Fit to Judge' workshop I have taken. I'm not saying this is the right way to do it, just my way.
11/01/2004 10:14:48 AM · #9
1-2 The really awful images. Out of focus or technically messed up in some way. Images where you can't even tell what the subject is or why it's there. Totally and clearly out of topic etc. Most likely a combination of them all. Insulting our intelligence.
3 Really bad motives/compositions, but technically ok/good or the other way around. Also a bunch of good images that fall totally out of topic.
4 Average, technically ok/good, but lacking something, probably composition, interest, lightning etc. Have given out some 4s to very good, but out of topic images too.
5 Average to good pictures. Needs to be technically good and on topic, with an interesting enough composition to give another look. Most images fall into this category. I do go back and check all my 5s in a second round to move some of them up to 6 or perhaps kick some down to 4 - I give way too many 5s for being lazy at first.
6-7 Add interest, good compositions, rare finds, humour, hard work, excellent lightning or combinations..
8 The very rare outstanding shots
9 The exceptionally rare and excellent stuff!
10 I rarely do this. Much more seldom than I give out 1s, and that's probably because there are a few more really bad images out there than there are aces. I average a bit below 5 in votes given.
11/01/2004 12:10:43 PM · #10
From previous threads:

This is how I try (very hard) to vote:

1 > a technically (focus, exposure, balance, effects, lighting, sharpening, saturation, colour, cast, evidence of artifacts etc.) incompetent photo or an entirely unintelligible one (sometimes due to the size of an image), an 'offensive' one to civilized nature or (even) a technically apt photo which 'clearly' demonstrates a 'failure of feeling'

2 > a technically lacking photo with little or no perceptible artistic (choice of subject, composition, perspective, manner, emotional energy and range, etc.) merit or interest, even when generously considered; a somewhat 'offensive' photo or a gross and inappropriate sentimentalization of feeling in the context of the challenge; the pursuit of cliché without room for even a latent interpretation (irony, allegory, metaphor etc.)

3 > a photo of mixed or questionable merit, both artistically and technically; a technically 'acceptable' one without marked artistic or journalistic interest; a sentimental or highly 'commercialized' image designed to 'sell' a product or (worse!) person of reasonable or considerable technical merit; a potentially 'interesting' or 'promising' photo (subject matter/perspective) with 'severe' technical flaws and/or without 'clear' intent or direction

4 > a 'pretty' photo reminiscent of many; an otherwise captivating image with one or more clearly distracting elements, either within the capture itself or via border and/or title; a technically accomplished photo relying predominantly on an idea and/or title for impact; an artistically 'promising' capture with clearly noticeable technical defects, compositional issues or incongruous aesthetics; a technically 'stunning' capture bare of 'feeling' or aesthetic 'sense'

5 > a 'good' photo by most standards; one that communicates capably without teaching or exhilarating us; an artistically interesting photo pointing an unusual view, perspective or matter, even if it suffers from distinct technical 'flaws'; a technically 'stunning' capture with limiting human or artistic 'range'

6 > a remarkable image, well executed by most standards while allowing for some technical shortcomings not easily prevented or corrected; an ordinary or simple shot, perfectly timed or 'found' that tells an old story in a new way; a very personal take, a 'fresh' controversy with commotive qualities, but aesthetically 'exciting'; an image imitative within a 'classic' fashion, but well executed (i.e. landscape/portrait etc.)

7 > an outstanding photograph fit for both study and pleasure, while allowing for minor technical shortcomings, an accomplished imitation of a mode of seeing or rendering drawn or alluding to another medium including enduring snapshots or candids of remarkable human interest

8 > same as 7, but one that stimulates awareness and taxes the senses, technically accomplished, with near-imperceptible flaws, if not entirely flawless; clearly 'inventive' photographs pointing a little known interest, direction or delight

9 > same as 8, technically without a fault, but a photo which commotes 'perceived' reality to the point of restlessness and action

10 > an enduring photo that challenges the order of gods and the world, one holding its own alongside any other.

On (Challenge) Topicality

Limiting potentially immeasurable choices to a defined subject or a chosen category of photography, really, should stimulate creativity, not hamper it. Topics, IMO, are or should be there for the benefit of the photographer, not for the untaxed glee of some voters swinging a baseball bat.

I do not penalize entries for failing to meet the challenge. I may award a higher score to a unique interpretation or to a finesse I recognize, but I cannot, in good conscience, penalize something or someone for a fault that may lie within me and not with a picture.

I have seen and continue to see perfectly good photographs here penalized for exceeding the appreciative capacity of voters to recognize an entry for the poignant topicality it may demonstrate. If I consider the photo remarkable (artistically very interesting), I may just decide to award the highest mark possible in the faint hope to compensate for a predictable overall devaluation.
11/01/2004 12:38:24 PM · #11
for me:

1 - met the challenge

goes up from there..
11/01/2004 12:40:13 PM · #12
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11/02/2004 04:44:07 AM · #13
This amazes me.

Originally posted by zeuszen:

1 > ...an 'offensive' one to civilized nature or (even) a technically apt photo which 'clearly' demonstrates a 'failure of feeling'


And yet:

Originally posted by zeuszen:

I have seen and continue to see perfectly good photographs here penalized for exceeding the appreciative capacity of voters to recognize an entry for the poignant topicality it may demonstrate.


Might it not be possible for someone to exceed your appreciative capacity of taste and feeling too?

Doesn't it see a bit hypocritical to take it upon you to decide what is offensive to what you call "civilized nature" (must be read as "your nature", or worse "American nature") and then not being able to decide what meets the topic in a challenge, the very idea of this site?

If an image offends me, the photographer has accomplished something. If the is topic missed, he/she has failed. (even though I do award excellent off-topic pictures some credit and strive to be open to others interpretations)

But unless having abused the subject in some way (I fail to see that happening here) I can't find it within me to penalize such an offence based on merely the fact that I don't approve. It might still be a stunning image and as such it should be regarded. If it would hurt me so much to look at, that I can't evaluate the quality of it, the very least I can do is to skip voting all.

I've read some of your comments and I have to give you credit for doing an excellent job in commending good imagery - and I found little evidence of double standards, so now it simply amazes me that you could state them as a ground in your scoring standards.
11/02/2004 05:02:50 AM · #14
Originally posted by PaulMdx:

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I find it interesting that the vote scrubber does not discourage this voting method.
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