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06/15/2019 12:30:05 AM · #1
I realise I'm not as active as I want to be (making an effort this year) but have been a member since 2005 and whilst I don't often leave comments I vote quote regularly.

I realise the current rules are that all images are to be shot in the two week period (edit - one month period) but because this is a creative challenge what are others thoughts for this being a permanent ARCHIVAL challenge.

This would allow everybody to use their library of images to make composite images.
It can often be difficult to take all the images required for an inspired idea when they are not available for you to shoot in the time period.
Some people shoot items when they are out and about that would work for composite images in the future and these would now be available to them.

I realise this creates a problem for those that only enter a single image with extended editing because they can then just look through their images for something outstanding and put it in and I was looking more at this being for creativity purposes.
Is there a way this could be worked around?
Any ideas?
Is this a terrible idea? it's OK you can say so, it's just a thought that I have expressed and it needs refining for it to work.
Maybe it just won't work and that's OK also.
Maybe we could make every second month be Archival Extended Editing?

Thoughts, input, ....

Again just my thoughts.
Over to you.

Message edited by author 2019-06-15 01:17:33.
06/15/2019 12:41:50 AM · #2
I like the idea. I've already had times when a photo I shot within the period would work well as a composite with something shot in the past added in. What if there was a requirement that the primary scene (or a majority of the elements) must be shot within the previous month?
06/15/2019 01:14:51 AM · #3
maybe. why not? but please note that the xfs can be shot over a period of 2 half months.
06/15/2019 01:23:13 AM · #4
I will support anything that will improve the quality of entries. This month's Extended FS was very disappointing to look at.
06/15/2019 05:57:22 AM · #5
Love the idea
06/15/2019 06:17:46 AM · #6
IMO the best thing about DPC is to have challenges which "force" people to go out and shoot. Otherwise it would be like all the other sites (and we have many now) so I'd stay with these rules
06/15/2019 06:24:25 AM · #7
We already have 12 challenges per month that make us go out and shoot, why not have a regular Archival challenge? Combining it with Extended Editing it would make it a true freedom of expression challenge.
06/15/2019 06:24:56 AM · #8
If we're required to shoot major elements during the challenge period then we're still forced to go out and shoot. That works for me.
06/15/2019 11:40:20 AM · #9
Just FYI, we do occasionally have Legacy/Archival challenges. SC has discussed this possibility several times, but it comes down to how many challenges can we have during the week. Would this be a member challenge or an open challenge? Which challenge do we replace this challenge for?

And stuff of that nature.
06/15/2019 12:02:15 PM · #10
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

What if there was a requirement that the primary scene (or a majority of the elements) must be shot within the previous month?

The most recent revision to the rules attempted to remove judgments about "major elements" or what was "too much" from SC responsibility -- I don't want to undo that.
06/15/2019 12:07:34 PM · #11
Originally posted by Alexkc:

IMO the best thing about DPC is to have challenges which "force" people to go out and shoot. Otherwise it would be like all the other sites (and we have many now) so I'd stay with these rules


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06/15/2019 02:18:21 PM · #12
Just to be clear, the motion on the table is to amend the monthly Extended Editing Free Study to make it always be archival.

Also just to be clear, this would have the effect of making Extended Editing Free Study entries potentially months-long (or even years-long) projects, since we'd know in advance that this archival challenge was coming.

The way things are now when we announce an archival challenge (ANY archival challenge) participants have 2 weeks to get their stuff together and present it, so even though it's archival it's still a "challenge" time-wise.

Considering the above, how do you feel about it now?



Message edited by author 2019-06-15 14:24:25.
06/15/2019 03:58:54 PM · #13
If this changes, would it limit the number of other archival challenges there may be? I've kind of liked having one of them now and then, standard edit.
06/15/2019 05:42:48 PM · #14
One of the great things about DPC is having everyone shoot in the same timeline but I'm not suggesting that this should change. All challenges are shot this way with the exception of a month for Free Study and Extended Free Study. The thought is to let a creative editing section allow members more freedom of expression once in a while. I realise other sites may do this but this is my home, I don't enter images on other sites, it would be nice to have that available here some times.

We have enough challenges. Wasn't considering adding another just working with one we currently have to make it a little more flexible.

It wouldn't necessarily have to be every month, maybe just every 3rd or 4th Extended Editing Challenge or maybe just twice a year.
Members could then be working on or have completed a work that uses or consists of all older elements and have it ready for an Archival announcement.
This would also allow those that are new to composite work more time to work on an image and learn the process (including me). I actually process in Lightroom so it's always a challenge in photoshop

I'm not suggesting this because I have a heap of already made images that I want to put in to competition. I actually have none. I have entered Extended Free Study with composite images on a couple of occasions when I have actually made them for my local club competition. I'm not very good at it as I did all these destructively as I don't know how to work with the layers and groups in photoshop (something I am hoping to understand and get better at)

These two had their images shot all on the same day:
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For this one only the person in the image was shot on the day and all other images were sourced from my library
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Not everyone entering an Archival Extended Free Study will be using older images but I thought it could possibly extend the creativity in this area.

Message edited by author 2019-06-15 17:44:05.
06/15/2019 07:07:33 PM · #15
Oooooh! I love the idea of the one extended editing free study being a permanent archival challenge each month! I think it would encourage people (like me) to experiment more and get better at creating beautiful art any way we can. I sure would vote YES!!!!

06/15/2019 07:32:55 PM · #16
Originally posted by Bear_Music:



Also just to be clear, this would have the effect of making Extended Editing Free Study entries potentially months-long (or even years-long) projects, since we'd know in advance that this archival challenge was coming.


I was "all in" until I figured out what you said, Bear.

I've enjoyed occasional "archival" challenge in the past. No one knows they're coming or the topic and can't work ahead.

But, I am opposed to having any FS or extended FS being archival. If this were the case, I could work all the time on extended FS images... taking as long as I like to perfect them. I could start on one today and finish it up a few years from now... working on as many as I liked until perfection was reached and then enter than one.

I think archival challenges should be a surprise... so at least there's the challenge of FINDING an image you've taken within two weeks.
06/15/2019 07:52:22 PM · #17
Originally posted by Lydia:

No one knows they're coming or the topic and can't work ahead.

Sure you can. Most of my entries in archival challenges are things I had edited in the past but hadn't entered in a challenge.
06/15/2019 08:06:01 PM · #18
What does it matter how long it takes to create the image. Isn't the final product what we are after.
Gyaban can do amazing work in a week but we are not all Gyaban.

You don't want anyone to know that an Archival challenge is coming so we all have to work for the month when it is announced.
But ... I could right now make an extended editing composition ready and just 'wait' until an archival extended editing challenge is announced and pop it in.
I might be waiting a while but the image can't be used for anything else anyway due to the age of the images so I have nothing to lose in waiting.
Just offering another point of view.

Photography is a very gratifying hobby. We don't even have to wait for film to be processed. Take a photo and there it is on the back of your camera. Put it in an editing program and what took ages in a dark room is done in a matter of minutes or a couple of hours.
Is it wrong to spend time putting something together.
06/15/2019 10:46:00 PM · #19
Anyone who wants to can start a thread (a.k.a. "side challenge") for archival extended-editing free studies -- a place to enter stuff you haven't been able or want to enter into one of the regular challenges. The disadvantage is you wouldn't be able to gloat over others by getting a higher score, while the advantage being that you'd probably get a lot more feedback ...
06/16/2019 02:31:38 AM · #20
My views to support Maria:
1. it would take me months if not years to create an image any close to Christophe's work so more time is GOOD!
2. reiterated - why not give us FREEDOM!! After all you CAN still take the images in 1 month before it rolls over! Why restrict others while you still have the CHOICE!
3. What is wrong in perfecting your images? Isn't this site all about improving your photography?

For Bear and Johanna:
Please, oh please, make all Extended Free Studies TRULY FREE. It is a simple change, just add Archival to the Extended Free Study. Nothing else to do!

PS Alternatively, run this for 3 months and then do a democratic vote. This was done when the site moved from 1 to 2 weeks for weekly challenges and in spite of some vocal opposition it was approved by the voters.
06/16/2019 09:44:28 AM · #21
Originally posted by marnet:

What is wrong in perfecting your images? Isn't this site all about improving your photography?

Actually, the site's "about" meeting photographic challenges, not "perfecting" one's photography... I'm not saying the archival idea has no traction, but it's WAY outside the original parameters of DPC. It is being considered.
06/16/2019 02:56:34 PM · #22
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Anyone who wants to can start a thread (a.k.a. "side challenge") for archival extended-editing free studies -- a place to enter stuff you haven't been able or want to enter into one of the regular challenges. [...] the advantage being that you'd probably get a lot more feedback ...


+1
Certainly seems like that would be a good place to start for those who are interested. May be set it up to last for two or three months rather than the typical one month period for side challenges. It could be a great place to share processing tips and allow for re submissions in response to comments and feedback.
06/16/2019 04:40:25 PM · #23
Originally posted by PennyClick:

Certainly seems like that would be a good place to start for those who are interested. May be set it up to last for two or three months rather than the typical one month period for side challenges. It could be a great place to share processing tips and allow for re submissions in response to comments and feedback.

I could go for that. I've been starting to try my hand at composites in the last few months. Had some limited success, but could use some tips.
06/16/2019 09:10:37 PM · #24
I would like the opportunity to make use of any images that I have collected over the years, whether in a side challenge, or in regular Extended Free Studies.

What about alternate archival and current monthly Extended Free Studies?
06/16/2019 09:32:36 PM · #25
Originally posted by jomari:

What about alternate archival and current monthly Extended Free Studies?

The key to making something a challenge is not knowing in advance of posting what the topic or rule-set will be.* I can see having a challenge (of any type) being declared open for archival submissions on occasion, but I don't think they should be on any kind of fixed schedule.

*FYI SC members don't know in advance which challenge will be posted at rollover either.
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