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10/22/2018 02:54:57 PM · #1
We have opened a poll to see how often the community would like to see Minimal Editing challenges scheduled. It shows up at the top left of your home page. Let us know what you think!
10/22/2018 03:17:33 PM · #2
Thank you - I have voted
10/22/2018 03:44:04 PM · #3
Oops, voted in haste but hey ho - it will all work out in the end :)
10/22/2018 03:58:40 PM · #4
I voted as well.

I understand Barry 21.gif glad2badad is giving beer to all of us who vote for once a week.

I'm there, Barry!

W00t!
10/22/2018 04:30:13 PM · #5
I have voted. I encourage everyone to vote -- on the Minimal Poll and in the Midterm Elections!
10/22/2018 04:51:06 PM · #6
I did too!
10/22/2018 05:56:32 PM · #7
Originally posted by markwiley:

I have voted. I encourage everyone to vote -- on the Minimal Poll and in the Midterm Elections!
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I did both
10/22/2018 06:26:34 PM · #8
Originally posted by Ecce_Signum:

Oops, voted in haste but hey ho - it will all work out in the end :)

You may change your vote as long as the poll is up, assuming you have changed your thinking :-)
10/22/2018 07:13:35 PM · #9
Where's the circle to vote never? ;-)

Wasn't there some talk once of allowing cropping for at least some minimal challenges? I'd like to see that.

Message edited by author 2018-10-22 19:19:36.
10/22/2018 07:21:58 PM · #10
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

I voted as well.

I understand Barry 21.gif glad2badad is giving beer to all of us who vote for once a week.

I'm there, Barry!

W00t!

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10/22/2018 07:23:12 PM · #11
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

We have opened a poll to see how often the community would like to see Minimal Editing challenges scheduled. It shows up at the top left of your home page. Let us know what you think!

But why is just Minimal being questioned. Why not ask about the Expert ruleset, and Archival challenges as well?
10/22/2018 09:32:36 PM · #12
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

We have opened a poll to see how often the community would like to see Minimal Editing challenges scheduled. It shows up at the top left of your home page. Let us know what you think!

But why is just Minimal being questioned. Why not ask about the Expert ruleset, and Archival challenges as well?

Because too many polls at once isn't good. Plus, there doesn't seem to be much controversy, in SC or in the membership, with the way those are scheduled now. But we keep hearing requests for more minimal challenges, so...

ETA: I confess to a certain amusement that you JUST brought this topic up in another thread and our response was pretty much instantaneous (we started a poll and this thread), yet practically the first thing you have to say in response is "Why isn't there MORE?" :-)

Message edited by author 2018-10-22 21:36:22.
10/22/2018 10:12:26 PM · #13
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

We have opened a poll to see how often the community would like to see Minimal Editing challenges scheduled. It shows up at the top left of your home page. Let us know what you think!

But why is just Minimal being questioned. Why not ask about the Expert ruleset, and Archival challenges as well?

Because too many polls at once isn't good. Plus, there doesn't seem to be much controversy, in SC or in the membership, with the way those are scheduled now. But we keep hearing requests for more minimal challenges, so...

ETA: I confess to a certain amusement that you JUST brought this topic up in another thread and our response was pretty much instantaneous (we started a poll and this thread), yet practically the first thing you have to say in response is "Why isn't there MORE?" :-)


Ai-yi-yi. That wasn't my thread and all I did was correct the stats that someone else posted.

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by bob350:

... However, when I look at the challenge history page, just two of the last 20 completed challenges used Extended Editing rules, while the other 90% required Standard or Minimal Editing. ...

Ummm, actually, it was 18 'Standard', 2 'Expert', and 0 'Minimal' - just keeping the numbers straight. :-)


My position is, and pretty much always has been, to seek a balance between Minimal and Expert challenges. They both have their place (actually can't believe I'm saying THAT) but neither needs to be prominent, just fairly equal in frequency. There's already a monthly Expert Free Study challenge built in ... how about adding a monthly Minimal Free Study challenge?

10/22/2018 10:23:36 PM · #14
Originally posted by glad2badad:

My position is, and pretty much always has been, to seek a balance between Minimal and Expert challenges. They both have their place (actually can't believe I'm saying THAT) but neither needs to be prominent, just fairly equal in frequency. There's already a monthly Expert Free Study challenge built in ... how about adding a monthly Minimal Free Study challenge?

Seriously???

You wanna use facts, logic, reason and common sense???

What the heck is wrong with you???
10/22/2018 11:09:57 PM · #15
Every challenge accepts Minimal entries. Every single one. No other rule set has that privilege.
10/23/2018 02:06:43 AM · #16
Originally posted by pixelpig:

Every challenge accepts Minimal entries. Every single one. No other rule set has that privilege.

That's truly a specious point. Sure, you *can* submit a Minimal rules entry into any challenge, but that doesn't make it a Minimal challenge. It's not unreasonable to have an equitable number of all the challenge types. Just the same as you can enter a Minimal entry in any challenge, you can also sit out a Minimal challenge if the ruleset isn't to your liking.
10/23/2018 02:36:30 AM · #17
Originally posted by pixelpig:

Every challenge accepts Minimal entries. Every single one. No other rule set has that privilege.


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10/23/2018 05:28:17 AM · #18
Originally posted by jomari:

Where's the circle to vote never? ;-)

Wasn't there some talk once of allowing cropping for at least some minimal challenges? I'd like to see that.


I would love the option to crop too.

Looks like monthly is winning!
10/23/2018 05:50:26 AM · #19
Originally posted by jomari:

Originally posted by pixelpig:

Every challenge accepts Minimal entries. Every single one. No other rule set has that privilege.


Like


The "Liked" statement seems elegantly simple but is simply not true. Demonstrably NOT "every single one." As recently as September we had the Diptych - same scene, different focal lengths challenge with special rules specifically demanding a combination of two images. Minimal Editing demands a "single capture," and that would not be allowed with the Diptych challenge rule. I understand the sentiment, but accuracy does have value.

Besides, Minimal Editing imposes a set of constraints demanding more than minimal skill. Although we have the opportunity to submit Minimal Editing images in most challenges, the tighter rules in a specifically Minimal challenge afford a more equitable competition environment for such images. I see that as healthy at least once in a while. I also find it useful to have regular opportunities to compare images that all meet the same tight restrictions of Minimal Editing, even though such images can also be found scattered (and unidentified) within challenges that have broader editing rules. .
10/23/2018 09:31:11 AM · #20
Originally posted by bob350:

Besides, Minimal Editing imposes a set of constraints demanding more than minimal skill.


Wait...what?

I thought the whole point of Minimal editing was exactly that--minimal skill.

Message edited by author 2018-10-23 09:33:11.
10/23/2018 10:38:44 AM · #21
Originally posted by bob350:

Besides, Minimal Editing imposes a set of constraints demanding more than minimal skill.


Originally posted by pixelpig:

Wait...what?

I thought the whole point of Minimal editing was exactly that--minimal skill.

Nope....

MAXIMUM skill, Minimal editing.
10/23/2018 10:42:29 AM · #22
Originally posted by bob350:

Although we have the opportunity to submit Minimal Editing images in most challenges, the tighter rules in a specifically Minimal challenge afford a more equitable competition environment for such images.


What he said...

I'd be willing to bet that more long term DPCers would tell you that they are most intimidated trying to create a great image within this ruleset than any other.

Although there are a few stone naturals whom I would say are straight-from-the-camera folks.
10/23/2018 03:03:44 PM · #23
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by bob350:

Besides, Minimal Editing imposes a set of constraints demanding more than minimal skill.


Originally posted by pixelpig:

Wait...what?

I thought the whole point of Minimal editing was exactly that--minimal skill.

Nope....

MAXIMUM skill, Minimal editing.

+1 :-)
10/23/2018 03:24:26 PM · #24
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by bob350:

Besides, Minimal Editing imposes a set of constraints demanding more than minimal skill.


Originally posted by pixelpig:

Wait...what?

I thought the whole point of Minimal editing was exactly that--minimal skill.

Nope....

MAXIMUM skill, Minimal editing.

+1 :-)


You are so right, and Minium is crazy trying to get a good photo, especially in RAW, gonna try in JPEG next time, but it does seriously make you look really hard at what you are shooting.
10/23/2018 04:16:14 PM · #25
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

I'd be willing to bet that more long term DPCers would tell you that they are most intimidated trying to create a great image within this ruleset than any other.

For me, I would substitute the word frustrated for intimidated. It is hard for me to look at the image straight out of camera and not think it would be so easy to make this image better with a couple of simple adjustments. Perhaps just a tweak of the white balance and/or exposure. Rather than shoot, attempt to analyze the tiny image on back of the camera, adjust settings, reshoot and reanalyze a couple iterations to get it "perfect", I'd rather get a good shot in RAW and adjust to "perfect" later. But, maybe that's just me.
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