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08/31/2018 02:08:29 PM · #1
Looks like there is an announcement coming September 05. Canon Rumors is reporting on info originally posted by Nokishita with details of equipment to be announced, including a FF mirrorless body.
The specs are sketchy at this point but one thing seems clear. The mount will be new, but it will mount both EF and R lenses natively. Canon did file patents related to this feature earlier in the year.
This announcement has generated an insane amount of buzz. WIll be interesting to see if the hardware lives up to it!
08/31/2018 02:15:23 PM · #2
Canon RF 28-70mm f/2L USM

!!!!!!

(CanonRumors)

Message edited by author 2018-08-31 14:16:30.
08/31/2018 02:54:51 PM · #3
Too late, I've already moved to Micro 4/3. Full frame would be too big for my needs anyway, even mirrorless.
08/31/2018 03:46:08 PM · #4
I'm excited to see this. Was going to buy a Sony a7iii next year, but I might wait for Canon. Depends on quality and lens compatibility / adapters.
08/31/2018 06:22:20 PM · #5
What is the difference between a mirrorless and mirror camera?
08/31/2018 06:55:20 PM · #6
A DSLR has a mirror in it which allows you to look thru the eyepiece and see what the lens sees. The problem with that is the mirror blocks the sensor, so in order to take a picture, the mirror has to flip up out of the way. A mirrorless camera just shows you what the sensor sees, kind of like looking at a TV rather than out of a window.

Two different focus systems.

Originally posted by JulietNN:

What is the difference between a mirrorless and mirror camera?
08/31/2018 08:56:35 PM · #7
Oh wow, thanks hopper.
08/31/2018 09:32:59 PM · #8
Yup. They're too late. I've switched to the sony mirrorless and see no purpose for lifting up my canon again. After knowing what I'm going to get BEFORE I shoot the photo, it's too hard going back to guessing. (With wildlife and outdoor event photography, I do a lot of exposure compensation, and with the canon, you're guessing and chimping. It's so much easier to dial the correction and KNOW what you're going to get.

Although I don't like sony's focus zones. and the battery life sucks. But I still wouldn't go back to my canon if you paid me. I'm planning on keeping it just for things like going out in kayaks and not worrying about if it falls in the water. (well, I'd still worry. But before I wouldn't chance it. Now it's an extra that I can do fun, chancy things with)

Too little, too late, canon.
09/01/2018 05:03:50 AM · #9
Originally posted by hopper:

A mirrorless camera just shows you what the sensor sees, kind of like looking at a TV rather than out of a window.


How does this compare to viewing lcd panel in live view on a DSLR? I am prob wron. But thought live view has the mirror up? I have never tried a mirror less camera as far as I am aware so not sure what I am missing.
09/01/2018 06:32:34 AM · #10
Originally posted by P-A-U-L:

Originally posted by hopper:

A mirrorless camera just shows you what the sensor sees, kind of like looking at a TV rather than out of a window.


How does this compare to viewing lcd panel in live view on a DSLR? I am prob wron. But thought live view has the mirror up? I have never tried a mirror less camera as far as I am aware so not sure what I am missing.


It's like viewing through a videocamera viewfinder. And it's the same when you use the liveview with a DSLR. After a couple of years with mirror less cameras I couldn't go back to DSLRs. Viewing the real preview of the shot is incredibly useful.
09/01/2018 06:54:18 AM · #11
Seems I'm the odd one out. I hated it when I had a few minutes wait between shots and then found myself looking into a black viewfinder because my camera had gone to sleep. Sometimes the short wait for it to wake up was enough to make me miss the shot.

Message edited by author 2018-09-01 06:54:54.
09/01/2018 07:07:02 AM · #12
Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

Seems I'm the odd one out. I hated it when I had a few minutes wait between shots and then found myself looking into a black viewfinder because my camera had gone to sleep. Sometimes the short wait for it to wake up was enough to make me miss the shot.


You can choose whether a mirrorless camera goes to sleep or not. My A7RIII is ready to shoot in a very very short time even after going to sleep
09/01/2018 08:49:06 AM · #13
Originally posted by Alexkc:

Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

Seems I'm the odd one out. I hated it when I had a few minutes wait between shots and then found myself looking into a black viewfinder because my camera had gone to sleep. Sometimes the short wait for it to wake up was enough to make me miss the shot.


You can choose whether a mirrorless camera goes to sleep or not. My A7RIII is ready to shoot in a very very short time even after going to sleep


I didn't want to stop it going to sleep because the battery life wasn't great. And I guess the technology has improved since my OM-D E-M5.

I still have my mirrorless but I never use it. I found the Canon lens options much better. The bigger sensor too.

I guess there could be a Canon mirrorless in my future, but not just yet.
09/01/2018 01:11:38 PM · #14
More news out today, with some specs:
Originally posted by CanonRumors:

Canon EOS R Specifications

30.3mp Full Frame CMOS
Dual pixel CMOS AF
100% vertical x 88% horizontal AF coverage (We think)
EV -6 low brightness autofocus
4K video
Touchscreen LCD
Articulating screen
Wi-Fi
Bluetooth
Microphone jack
Headphone jack
Dustproof
Drip-proof
Magnesium body
Battery: LP-E6N
Battery grip: BG-E22
Size: Width of about 136 mm × height of about 98 mm
Weight: Approximately 580 g
Mount: inner diameter 54 mm, flange back 20 mm, 12 pin
Mount adapter: “Mount adapter EF – EOS R” “Control ring mount adapter EF – EOS R” “Drop – in filter mount adapter EF – EOS R”


ETA: There are also three RF lenses being announced. There are some big questions left un-answered:
- Is there in-body IS? Given the lens announcements, it seems it may not be there. That would be unfortunate.
- Will the 4k video specs please hard-core videographers (Alex, I'm lookin' at you)?
- What will the performance of the AF system be like?

Things I like:
- LP-E6N battery, same as 5D IV. Like it.
- Easy interchangeability from RF to EF lenses; simple "intelligent extension tube" adapter. Keeps the body thin, but full backward compatibility. Love this. Can't understand those complaining about "no native EF mounting."
- EV -6 AF - Whaaaaaat??!!
- Articulating screen. 'Nuf said.
- Size and weight are good, ergonomics look good.
- 20mm flange distance - opens up a ton of "classical glass" options.

Message edited by author 2018-09-01 13:30:35.
09/01/2018 01:26:06 PM · #15
Battery: LP-E6N

Same battery as 80D. That's a surprise.
09/01/2018 01:28:13 PM · #16
Is that the same battery as on the Canon 70D? If yes, that's great news, I have 4 of them and I need to buy a new camera soon.

09/01/2018 01:34:36 PM · #17
Originally posted by GeorgesBogaert:

Is that the same battery as on the Canon 70D? If yes, that's great news, I have 4 of them and I need to buy a new camera soon.


According to dpreview, Canon 70D uses LP-E6, which is what my Canon 7D came with. I know that the 7D can also use the newer LP-E6N, but I'm not sure whether the newer cameras can take the older batteries. I haven't tried using them in my 80D.
09/01/2018 01:56:46 PM · #18
Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

...but I'm not sure whether the newer cameras can take the older batteries. I haven't tried using them in my 80D.


Yes, they can! I have both LP-E6 and LP-E6Ns and they both work in the 5D IV, which natively takes the N.
09/01/2018 02:05:06 PM · #19
Originally posted by kirbic:

Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

...but I'm not sure whether the newer cameras can take the older batteries. I haven't tried using them in my 80D.


Yes, they can! I have both LP-E6 and LP-E6Ns and they both work in the 5D IV, which natively takes the N.


Great. Gives me an extra spare if I need it. I presume the older batteries are less powerful than the newer ones.
09/01/2018 02:15:14 PM · #20
Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

...I presume the older batteries are less powerful than the newer ones.


They are, but not by much... 1800 vs. 1865 mAh.
09/05/2018 05:05:35 AM · #21
It's official now: Canon UK on Canon R
09/05/2018 08:43:31 AM · #22
Looked over the announcement, now *very* interested to see the first real tests of this thing. They have priced it aggressively given the specs. Not sub-$2k as rumored, but not that far above it either. Will be very interested in the sensor performance, AF performance and EVF quality. The AF, by the specs, looks outstanding; they are claiming worlds-fastest 0.05s AF under CIPA test conditions with the 24-105 RF lens.
09/05/2018 08:58:02 AM · #23
IMO this is disappointed more or less like Nikon even if there are interesting points: AF, the new lenses (28-70 f/2 can be powerful), Canon Log.

But no IBIS (in 2018, no IBIS?!), single slot (at least not XQD) very very very old video specs (no super slowmo even at 1080p - more or less like the almost 4 years old A7RII).

Waiting to see the sensor performances.
09/05/2018 09:46:19 AM · #24
Curious - is the IBIS better than the IS built into a lens? If you have IBIS do you need to turn off IS on the lens or do they work in unison?

Obviously IBIS is good for lenses that have no IS but I was just curious how much it adds to those lenses with IS?

Sorry if a dumb question :)
09/05/2018 10:24:41 AM · #25
Canon Europe
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