Are we at the critical number point?

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

11/18/2018 12:45:21 AM · #126

I am well over it... I've stated my opinion and am ok with everything. No hard feelings here. Not sure why you are so upset.

Tiny

Apple iPad mini 4

11/18/2018 03:51:43 AM · #127

i don't think i'll ever get over it

but its been so long

GolferDDS

Canon EOS R5

11/18/2018 04:50:56 AM · #128

Originally posted by LanceW:

I am well over it... I've stated my opinion and am ok with everything. No hard feelings here.

Hi Lance,
Just wondering what your criteria for your voting scale is? What do you define as a picture worth a 1 vote or 2 or 3 or 10 etc. Maybe we can have a beneficial discussion that might lead to general guidelines for the voting scale. It might help to get everyone on the same page.

JulietNN

Canon EOS-7D

Tamron 16-300mm Di II VC PZD MACRO w/Canon Nikon mount

11/18/2018 11:10:53 AM · #129

Originally posted by LanceW:

I am well over it... I've stated my opinion and am ok with everything. No hard feelings here. Not sure why you are so upset.

[strike]Probably because you come across as an arsehole in your voting, your comments and anything that you perceive is a slight to you and you throw you dolly out of your pram whenever you can then pout and have this big conspiracy theory and how everyone is out to get you , especially the SC, and you are rude and then you threaten to leave the site in literally every post and you never do, shame. and edited to add, you are condescending to others. [/strike]

Yay, all that whining has finished, he is over it!!! Wonderful, let's get on with what we all try our hardest at. Taking photos.

Message edited by author 2018-11-18 12:01:16.

NikonJeb

Nikon D850

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 28-300mm f3.5-5.6G ED VR

11/18/2018 11:37:34 AM · #130

Originally posted by LanceW:

Well, it is as I expected. You must now vote according to the counsel's standards which means you can't use the full voting scale. That's ok... I don't need to vote and I don't need to spend any more money on a membership here either. Perhaps I'll enter the free challenges, but will never vote again. I'm sure that will make those on the council feel better that obviously received a low vote from me and then went digging. Seems sketchy, but it's their playground.

So...You did something you weren't supposed to, got busted for it, and now you want to blame someone else and make really ignorant accusations? Got it.

Originally posted by nam:

I am not on SC, never have been, never will be, don't want to be. But I take offense at the insinuations here. You can definitely vote the entire scale - from 1-10. What you cannot do is either "vote in a manner that suggests an intent to disrupt the voting system" or "offer or cast biased votes for any other user". And if you were "investigated" for suspicion of low-balling or the opposite, I seriously doubt that it was a low vote on a SC's entry alone that occasioned the inquiry.

Based entirely on my reading of your comment today, I would say that you have somehow come afoul of one of these rules. It's really none of my business, but you are the one who made the situation public.
And may I add that you also "cannot offer slanderous, rude, profane or inflammatory comments".

Originally posted by LanceW:

I've been here much longer than you and have never done anything that you suggest above. Thanks for chiming in though.

No, actually, you haven't. You may have originally signed up before Nikki, but trust me as someone active, I see her on a regular basis, see her participation, am proud to recieve some of her encouraging comments, and just in general consider her as one of the "Good ones" who make this community and this site a terrific place.

You had an 8 year hiatus, and of the rest of the time really didn't participate all that much anyway.

I looked you up, and much to my surprise, it appears that I've met you in person. Don't remember that at all.

And if you would have actually "been here" you'd know how patently absurd your ignorant remark about giving someone on SC a bad vote and have them "come digging" for you is. Nobody who's been here for any length of time and understands what this place is all about gives a rat's ass about their scores. Since SC is such a time-consuming, thankless task for the most part, it takes a special kind of really decent person to take on the duty. That would not be someone who would be pedantic enough to act like.....well, like you have through this little tirade of yours.

What you could always do is to try to learn what mistake you made and rectify it. You could become active, enter some rergular challenges, immerse yorself in some side challenges where you'll get a lot of personal feedback from people who spend the time to comment and observe (Which is where you'll find Nikki

nam and get a feel for her perspective on your work. She's insightful and observant, leaves great feedback, but still won't blow smoke at you either if she sees something that catches her out. She's very real.

Give it a try.

NikonJeb

Nikon D850

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 28-300mm f3.5-5.6G ED VR

11/18/2018 11:59:27 AM · #131

Originally posted by JulietNN:

Wonderful, let's get on with what we all try our hardest at. Taking photos.

LOL!!!

I resemble that!

posthumous

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

11/18/2018 07:24:22 PM · #132

Lance is getting a lot of flak but I'd be more upset than he was if my votes were thrown out because they were too low or otherwise didn't conform to how people "should" vote.

glad2badad

DJI Mavic Air 2

Sears 55mm f/1.4 M42

11/18/2018 07:29:30 PM · #133

Originally posted by posthumous:

Lance is getting a lot of flak but I'd be more upset than he was if my votes were thrown out because they were too low or otherwise didn't conform to how people "should" vote.

PennyStreet

Olympus OM-D E-M1

Olympus 17mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko

11/18/2018 07:50:20 PM · #134

Originally posted by posthumous:

Lance is getting a lot of flak but I'd be more upset than he was if my votes were thrown out because they were too low or otherwise didn't conform to how people "should" vote.

I was thinking similarly, but I suspect there is more to the story than we know. At least I hope so.

11/18/2018 08:07:23 PM · #135

I simply voted lower than the SC thinks you should vote - - nothing more nothing less.

Message edited by author 2018-11-18 20:07:49.

Sony FE 200-600mm f/5.6-6.3 G OSS

11/18/2018 08:09:09 PM · #136

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

So...You did something you weren't supposed to, got busted for it, and now you want to blame someone else and make really ignorant accusations? Got it.

I'm over it, but since you decided to make ignorant remarks yourself, yes I did do something I should not have - - voted using the scale provided to us. My bad.

vawendy

Sony Alpha 1

11/18/2018 08:46:57 PM · #137

It's not quite fair to call out the SC and make accusations with just saying you're using the scale. For all we know you voted all 1s, with one or two 8s. Saying using the scale given means nothing.

I think the SC does a difficult, relatively thankless job and don't make decisions lightly.

GolferDDS

Canon EOS R5

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

11/18/2018 08:59:25 PM · #138

I had an entry disqualified a little while ago. I was told that there was alot of debate concerning the image and that the vote was 7-1 in favor of DQ. I appreciated the time and effort that was put into the decision and feel I was treated fairly. I don't think the SC takes these kinds of decisions lightly and they try to do what is fair for everyone.

Message edited by author 2018-11-18 22:17:58.

Fujifilm XF 10-24mm f/4 R IOS

11/18/2018 09:04:42 PM · #139

Originally posted by vawendy:

It's not quite fair to call out the SC and make accusations with just saying you're using the scale. For all we know you voted all 1s...

Nope, but thanks for playing... I've never voted all 1's with a couple high votes.

Originally posted by vawendy:

I think the SC does a difficult, relatively thankless job and don't make decisions lightly.

I agree for the most part, but to suspend someone for over 2 months because they voted low is absurd, especially as the site continues to lose members.

markwiley

Fujifilm X-Pro2

11/18/2018 09:53:45 PM · #140

Originally posted by LanceW:

Originally posted by vawendy:
It's not quite fair to call out the SC and make accusations with just saying you're using the scale. For all we know you voted all 1s...

Nope, but thanks for playing... I've never voted all 1's with a couple high votes.

Perhaps not, Lance. But you have voted all 1's and 2's with one single high vote. Here is your vote distribution on the last challenge you voted before we felt compelled to impose a suspension:

VOTE COUNT
1 -- 14
2 -- 9
3 -- 0
4 -- 0
5 -- 0
6 -- 0
7 -- 0
8 -- 0
9 -- 0
10 -- 1

Sorry if you feel this action was harsh. It is not the funnest aspect of being on the Site Council, but we are responsible for monitoring voting. We do our best to guard against vote manipulation and try to ensure fair competitions.

Message edited by author 2018-11-18 21:57:21.

11/18/2018 10:00:01 PM · #141

Originally posted by markwiley:

Originally posted by LanceW:

Originally posted by vawendy:
It's not quite fair to call out the SC and make accusations with just saying you're using the scale. For all we know you voted all 1s...

Nope, but thanks for playing... I've never voted all 1's with a couple high votes.

Perhaps not, Lance. But you have voted all 1's and 2's with one single high vote. Here is your vote distribution on the last challenge you voted before we felt compelled to impose a suspension:

VOTE COUNT
1 -- 14
2 -- 9
3 -- 0
4 -- 0
5 -- 0
6 -- 0
7 -- 0
8 -- 0
9 -- 0
10 -- 1

Sorry if you feel this action was harsh. It is not funnest aspect of being on the Site Council, but we are responsible for monitoring voting. We do our best to guard against vote manipulation and try to ensure fair competitions.

Oh, thanks for sharing, but again - - I see nothing wrong here. I voted using the existing scale, #1. I have been a member, albeit, in spurts for years, #2, and have never had any disciplinary action, #3, yet I'm suspended for months for the above?

Again, I voted by my conscience and do not apologize for the above votes. Suspending someone, who has been a member since 2006, for months for what you consider vote manipulation is almost comical considering your dwindling member-base.

Again, it's your playground, so do what you gotta do.

Message edited by author 2018-11-18 22:01:14.

Fujifilm XF 10-24mm f/4 R IOS

11/18/2018 10:03:25 PM · #142

P.S. Which photo got the 10 by me since you decided to share my voting pattern without my permission? It must have been a damn good photo.

markwiley

Fujifilm X-Pro2

11/18/2018 10:35:45 PM · #143

Originally posted by LanceW:

P.S. Which photo got the 10 by me since you decided to share my voting pattern without my permission? It must have been a damn good photo.

You chose the public forum to call out the SC on the suspension, and you made the claim "I've never voted all 1's with a couple high votes". I felt I needed to show that is, in fact, essentially what you have done. If you'd like to discuss your voting patterns in private, please PM me.