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05/30/2018 04:28:44 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by GolferDDS:
Also, how about the site counsel picking a picture of the week and posting it on the front page. It shouldn’t be a ribbon winner. It should be one or more pictures that are interesting that all can view, comment on, and discuss. What a great learning experience for a person to learn and a thrill to be on the front page! Also, it is a chance to build comradeship with new members. |
Well....
Maybe an inspired guy could just up and do that as a kind of side challenge thing.
There are those who have created their own bling and support the community by bestowing their delightfully subjective views and an award to various challenge entries.
I love to get a Top 10/Ribbon/HM, but I really like it when I achieve one of the rarities bestowed by someone whose soul was moved by my entry.
We used to have  KarenNfld doing photographer profiles as "Member of the Week".
This was her intro: "Welcome to this week's "Member of the Week" post. Every week I will post the name of a member and a link to their profile. This will be our Member of the Week. Go have a look at their profile page and/or portfolio. Enjoy their photos, leave some comments and most of all post one or two of their photos in this thread so others can see them and enjoy them. If you like you can also write a little blurb saying why you enjoy this member's photos."
You don't have to commit to doing it alone.....people will help, and maybe even just do this once a month.
Everything helps.
Message edited by author 2018-05-30 16:30:27.
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05/30/2018 05:50:11 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
We used to have KarenNfld doing photographer profiles as "Member of the Week".
This was her intro: "Welcome to this week's "Member of the Week" post. Every week I will post the name of a member and a link to their profile. This will be our Member of the Week. Go have a look at their profile page and/or portfolio. Enjoy their photos, leave some comments and most of all post one or two of their photos in this thread so others can see them and enjoy them. If you like you can also write a little blurb saying why you enjoy this member's photos."
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I was just going to post the same thing. I used to really enjoy Karen's threads, and the encouragement to deep dive into a portfolio once a week. |
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05/30/2018 06:34:00 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
On the plus side, we're (finally) in a position to launch DPL 4 and will be doing so immediately. A mailing will go out to all members probably tomorrow, certainly by Thursday, and we will start a thread announcing this in the forums at the same time. 5 days (give or take) after that we will launch the signup page, and the signup period will be two weeks.
Stay tuned for the announcement, it is almost ready. |
Do you have to be a paid member to enter DPL 4? I may be interested in joining this year.
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05/30/2018 07:09:44 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by Zoomdak:
Do you have to be a paid member to enter DPL 4? I may be interested in joining this year. |
No, all registered users can be on a team, but it is possible you might not be able to enter every challenge; this *probably* won't matter for team scores, but in an "emergency" maybe you can get your team to chip in on a $5/one-month membership ... :-) |
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05/30/2018 10:12:44 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Well, if someone wants to do the math and/or find out from Langdon exactly what we need in the way of paid membership to keep the place open, I know you can have a commitment from me to stay. I will gladly re-up, or badger, Vivi LoVi as well.
I can't imagine a world without DPC. |
LoVi ! |
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05/30/2018 10:20:46 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Zoomdak:
Do you have to be a paid member to enter DPL 4? I may be interested in joining this year. |
No, all registered users can be on a team, but it is possible you might not be able to enter every challenge; this *probably* won't matter for team scores, but in an "emergency" maybe you can get your team to chip in on a $5/one-month membership ... :-) |
It'll be interesting to see how many users per team. Maybe we should see how many sign up to do this before deciding? I'm definitely in either way but it would be better and more fun if everybody on a team could enter every challenge. That's the fun of it IMO. If there's no entry,, there's no discussion. PM makes this site for me. I have people I have ongoing PMS with for years. Many years. I won't say it started with DPL but that was part of it. |
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05/30/2018 10:23:07 PM · #32 |
| If the site is so precious, and the owner is not interested then why don't a group of hardcore users try to buy him out or if he's willing, take over the site? I don't think the storage costs are that great given the small size and number per person of photographs allowed for any given contest. Although I'm not a hardcore user I would pay a small amount to keep the site up and running, I am not going to line the pockets of a disinterested owner though. |
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05/30/2018 10:27:09 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
It'll be interesting to see how many users per team. Maybe we should see how many sign up to do this before deciding? |
We need 24 teams to run DPL the way it is currently set up. The next "step" is 48 teams. Assuming we won't have enough takers to populate 48 teams, look at the numbers for 24: 5-member teams means 120 players, 6-member teams means 144, and so forth. We'll figure that part out when we see the response. The question would be where the tipping point is to get to 48 smaller teams vs 24 larger ones.
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05/30/2018 10:32:09 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
It'll be interesting to see how many users per team. Maybe we should see how many sign up to do this before deciding? I'm definitely in either way but it would be better and more fun if everybody on a team could enter every challenge. That's the fun of it IMO. If there's no entry,, there's no discussion. PM makes this site for me. I have people I have ongoing PMS with for years. Many years. I won't say it started with DPL but that was part of it. |
Approved and highlighted. (Depends also on the time it starts if people are still tavelling) |
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05/30/2018 10:32:54 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by gipper11:
If the site is so precious, and the owner is not interested then why don't a group of hardcore users try to buy him out or if he's willing, take over the site? I don't think the storage costs are that great given the small size and number per person of photographs allowed for any given contest. Although I'm not a hardcore user I would pay a small amount to keep the site up and running, I am not going to line the pockets of a disinterested owner though. |
1. It had been discussed in the past but there were reasons why a buyout wasn't a viable option.
2. If you think $25.00 a year (a little over 2 bucks a month) is "lining someone's pockets", then you and I have different concepts of that, I guess.
3. I'm a hardcore user who's just become an Admin for exactly the reason you suggested above. Regardless of what has gone on in the past, Admin is more responsive now and we are trying to drive that idea home. So let's give it a chance, eh? Nobody's lining MY pockets, I might add :-) |
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05/31/2018 12:29:59 AM · #36 |
| You are not lining your pockets but somewhere I read there were around 350 paying members and that adds up to around $8,750 about $730 a month. |
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05/31/2018 02:22:12 AM · #37 |
A gift for Bear...
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05/31/2018 10:49:10 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by gipper11:
You are not lining your pockets but somewhere I read there were around 350 paying members and that adds up to around $8,750 about $730 a month. |
So what?
You didn't start up a site and manage it, you didn't create an environment where thousands of people have gotten together, shared life experiences, become better photographers, and participated in photography challenges.
And you want to begrudge the owner for a couple bucks???
DPC is awesome and unique. What's your problem with the owner doing whatever he damn well pleases, and why should he have to justify himself to you?
Honestly, it seems like you just want to piss and moan without one iota of positive input.
Message edited by author 2018-05-31 10:49:29.
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05/31/2018 11:57:08 AM · #39 |
Don't let them get at you Jeb, eventually they will blow & blow themselves to sleep and move on with life, with or without dpc.
The good news is that we have DPL4 happening, THAT is unique about this site, the only site that offers a team competition that teaches, makes and bonds friendships across the planet. I have always been in favour of the team thing since year dot, it is the DPL that will attract photographers of all levels, as mentors on a team or novices.
I also really believe that to expand we need to understand that phone cameras are now here to stay and A LOT of people are using them, not just for garbage but trying to get creative. Maybe we should offer phone only challenges, and didn't someone once speak of an APP... the app could be used to access only the phone challenges they can vote on a phone, why not? my phone screen is as good, if not better, than my old macbbok air screen.
A slight expansion might attract more people especially in the phone camera sector of the world. Sure there will be snappers with phones but that is also true about some folk with cameras.
Whatever happens, I'll be here until the bar closes.
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05/31/2018 01:02:38 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by MAK:
Don't let them get at you Jeb, eventually they will blow & blow themselves to sleep and move on with life, with or without dpc. |
Yah..... I know, but it'd be nice if we could try and rally the troops without some just involving themselves in the discussion to be obstreporous.
Originally posted by MAK:
The good news is that we have DPL4 happening, THAT is unique about this site, the only site that offers a team competition that teaches, makes and bonds friendships across the planet. I have always been in favour of the team thing since year dot, it is the DPL that will attract photographers of all levels, as mentors on a team or novices. |
I know that works, and I'm on board because it's so popular, but truth be told I hate it because it brings out *ALL* my shortcomings and makes it obvious that I choke under pressure! LOL!!!
Originally posted by MAK:
I also really believe that to expand we need to understand that phone cameras are now here to stay and A LOT of people are using them, not just for garbage but trying to get creative. Maybe we should offer phone only challenges, and didn't someone once speak of an APP... the app could be used to access only the phone challenges they can vote on a phone, why not? my phone screen is as good, if not better, than my old macbbok air screen.
A slight expansion might attract more people especially in the phone camera sector of the world. Sure there will be snappers with phones but that is also true about some folk with cameras. |
Hey, I have no issues with phones. I got an HM with mine.
Originally posted by MAK:
Whatever happens, I'll be here until the bar closes. |
Me too.... 'Nother round?
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05/31/2018 02:05:14 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by MAK:
I also really believe that to expand we need to understand that phone cameras are now here to stay and A LOT of people are using them, not just for garbage but trying to get creative.
I believe this is a significant statement and needs to be considered. This paradigm shift is obvious in the photo club I belong to. The demographics of the club are basically “retirees”. With most/some people, “social media” challenged. You can find some spectacular images on Instagram. (all varieties of camera type being used)
If we can’t appeal to the smartphone generation, we will slowly disappear. Let’s face it, they can do a lot of clever editing and post processing in their phones now, and the cameras are getting really good!
We need to figure out how to make ourselves known to the smartphone users and draw them in with challenges that would appeal to them. I think that would require a social media presence to generate the required “following” |
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05/31/2018 02:37:24 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by MAK:
I also really believe that to expand we need to understand that phone cameras are now here to stay and A LOT of people are using them, not just for garbage but trying to get creative.
Originally posted by BMacD:
I believe this is a significant statement and needs to be considered. This paradigm shift is obvious in the photo club I belong to. The demographics of the club are basically “retirees”. With most/some people, “social media” challenged. You can find some spectacular images on Instagram. (all varieties of camera type being used)
If we can’t appeal to the smartphone generation, we will slowly disappear. Let’s face it, they can do a lot of clever editing and post processing in their phones now, and the cameras are getting really good!
We need to figure out how to make ourselves known to the smartphone users and draw them in with challenges that would appeal to them. I think that would require a social media presence to generate the required “following” |
I don't think anyone really has any issue with what you want to use for a camera. Like I mentioned earlier, I got an HM with my phone.....and in a regular challenge. It actually made me cringe a little, but also made me realize that I've learned what's importatnt here. It's all about the composition, light, perspective, and a little editing on top of the creative part of us that makes the photograph, not $5000 worth of whatever Nikon/Canon has to offer. I have been seeing the DPC page on FB popping up on my timeline, so hopefully, I will work at home asnd off site more to see what I can do to show others here.
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05/31/2018 05:16:12 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by gipper11:
You are not lining your pockets but somewhere I read there were around 350 paying members and that adds up to around $8,750 about $730 a month. |
So what?
You didn't start up a site and manage it, you didn't create an environment where thousands of people have gotten together, shared life experiences, become better photographers, and participated in photography challenges.
And you want to begrudge the owner for a couple bucks???
DPC is awesome and unique. What's your problem with the owner doing whatever he damn well pleases, and why should he have to justify himself to you?
Honestly, it seems like you just want to piss and moan without one iota of positive input. |
You are one of the reasons the site is failing, there are no longer thousands of photographers using the site. I talk with my money. The cost is not the point, the point is if you are going to charge a user fee then you are obligated to keep it up to and running and make improvements where needed, if what you’re charging is not enough to cover the cost of maintaining the site then increase it. I don’t begrudge the owner of making a few bucks and he owes me nothing, he owes you nothing either. Your positive input doesn’t seem to be doing the trick. |
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05/31/2018 05:45:01 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by gipper11:
You are one of the reasons the site is failing, there are no longer thousands of photographers using the site. I talk with my money. The cost is not the point, the point is if you are going to charge a user fee then you are obligated to keep it up to and running and make improvements where needed, if what you’re charging is not enough to cover the cost of maintaining the site then increase it. I don’t begrudge the owner of making a few bucks and he owes me nothing, he owes you nothing either. Your positive input doesn’t seem to be doing the trick. |
This isn't doing anyone any good, and I think it's time to lay off. You've made your opinion clear, but we're making an effort here to think positively and turn things around. I'd personally appreciate it if you cooled down the negativism for a while: it's sort of a downer, if you catch my drift? This isn't about Langdon, it's about us. Pitiable as you seem to find it, DPC is our playground and we want to support it.
Message edited by author 2018-05-31 19:05:13. |
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05/31/2018 06:26:31 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
...Pitiable as you seem to find it, DPC is our playground and we want to support it. |
+1
In fact, it is "home" for me on the web, and has been for the past 16 years. I know there are a lot of others who share this sentiment.
Message edited by author 2018-05-31 18:28:35. |
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05/31/2018 08:30:06 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
...Pitiable as you seem to find it, DPC is our playground and we want to support it. |
+1
In fact, it is "home" for me on the web, and has been for the past 16 years. I know there are a lot of others who share this sentiment. |
The question is, where are all those others? If they were still involved you wouldn't be having this discussion. |
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05/31/2018 08:32:57 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by gipper11:
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
...Pitiable as you seem to find it, DPC is our playground and we want to support it. |
+1
In fact, it is "home" for me on the web, and has been for the past 16 years. I know there are a lot of others who share this sentiment. |
The question is, where are all those others? If they were still involved you wouldn't be having this discussion. |
Oh, but we are here...don't you think for minute that we're not!!! |
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05/31/2018 08:34:11 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by gipper11:
Originally posted by kirbic:
[quote=Bear_Music] ...Pitiable as you seem to find it, DPC is our playground and we want to support it. |
+1
In fact, it is "home" for me on the web, and has been for the past 16 years. I know there are a lot of others who share this sentiment. |
The question is, where are all those others? If they were still involved you wouldn't be having this discussion. [/quote
I think your attitude will make us that are left to make this site stronger again. |
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05/31/2018 08:34:20 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by gipper11:
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
...Pitiable as you seem to find it, DPC is our playground and we want to support it. |
+1
In fact, it is "home" for me on the web, and has been for the past 16 years. I know there are a lot of others who share this sentiment. |
The question is, where are all those others? If they were still involved you wouldn't be having this discussion. |
Well, apparently there seem to be 340 others... and despite all efforts to be positive, you *insist* on harping on the negative. Sheesh. |
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05/31/2018 09:27:14 PM · #50 |
It seems to me that what we might need is something a little different in addition to the weekly challenges. Like a photographer of the month contest. This might generate more interest if it comes with perks like having your name and a short spiel at the top of the main page. There could also be a complimentary membership and/or something advertising DPChallenge like a camera strap for the winner. Voting could be by a select jury which makes it more official.
Another photography site that I take part in, Photography For Real Estate does this and I have entered the contests. It's a lot more demanding and is geared to improving our photographic and editing skills which is something I believe we're all attempting to do. The comments are saved until the end of the contest and vary like they do here.. some good, some critical.. but it's a great learning experience.
Unlike DPCHallenge, Photography For Real Estate does not charge a fee to take part. I don't know if waving the annual fee would encourage more participants in DPC but it would mean bringing more advertisers on board to offset the cost of maintaining the site.
I also want to add that extended editing challenges only attract a minimum of participants due to the degree of digital expertise involved. Teams or leagues are fine for those who like that sort of thing but we're not all team players so it limits participants. If you want to increase participation you have to appeal to the masses, not just a select few.
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