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07/25/2017 08:06:39 PM · #51
A new body might work best for you then.
Can't help with which one as I'm not in the loop for Canon.
07/26/2017 10:50:17 AM · #52
Ok -- just got the Sony a6500 (rented).

A couple of problems leading to a couple of questions.

1. The viewfinder seems really small and the numbers inside are small. I'm currently having a problem with my left eye (torn retina that was just lasered) and the world is really blurry/hazy through that eye. So right now I can't read the numbers at all. Which leads to a question:

If you are right handed, are shooting with your right or left eye? I shoot left eyed and it ends up squishing my nose against the screen, but it seems like the camera is more balanced. I'm trying to switch to my right eye so that I can at least get a feel for the camera during the week rental. But it feels soooooo awkward.

2. I'm loving the EVF. But when I'm using strobes, my screen goes dark when I take the shot (since it's showing me what the picture would be (sans strobes) I assume I can change that setting.

3. Did I mention it's a really small viewfinder?

The focus does seem to be pretty slow with the canon lens, but I've only tried for a couple of minutes inside. It needs a lot more playing.
07/26/2017 11:02:55 AM · #53
Oh man, shooting with your non-dominant eye has to be like trying to write with your non-dominant hand, LOL. I feel for ya. Otherwise, I have nothing of value to add, LOL.
07/26/2017 11:26:44 AM · #54
The size of the viewfinder issue is "comparative": it won't feel small after a while. You CAN adjust the EVF to be like a dSLR viewfinder (showing bright all the time, not adjusted for exposure) AND if you switch back and forth a lot then you can set that to one of the custom function buttons so you can switch instantly. The great value of the EVF, of course, is precisely that you get real exposure and DOF information visually.

That camera is NOT designed for left-eye-dominant shooters, that's for sure. Just learn to use your right eye, it's not that hard a switch to make. Much easier than trying to write other-handed, anyway. I'm left-eye dominant, and I made the switch decades ago without a lot of trouble.

Regarding slow focus, it WILL be slower with Canon lenses and an adapter than with Sony-native lenses, I believe. That's certainly true with my a7r.
07/26/2017 11:42:58 AM · #55
Which adapter are you using with A6500 Wendy?
07/26/2017 11:47:44 AM · #56
The pricey one: metabones. It was supposed to be the best by far (so it sounded)
07/26/2017 11:53:47 AM · #57
Originally posted by vawendy:

The pricey one: metabones. It was supposed to be the best by far (so it sounded)


That one and the Sigma one are surely the better adapters. With native lenses A6500 has an incredible AF. Not to mention the A9 (of course a really pricey camera) which has by far the best AF of all the cameras, better than D5 and 1DXII. So fast that you can't even notice it is focusing - never seen stuff like that, it seems black magic.
07/26/2017 12:04:42 PM · #58
To use strobes and studio equipment with a mirrorless camera, you need to turn off exposure preview. I don't know how to do it on the Sony though, just my Fujis!

But I'm sure it's there.

As to Mirrorless vs dSLR, I don't think I could ever go back to the SLR type viewfinder. I love seeing the exposure in the electronic viewfinder. I shoot mostly manual now because of that!
07/26/2017 04:42:00 PM · #59
I agree Neil. Love the EVF and couldn't go back.
07/26/2017 04:42:01 PM · #60
I agree Neil. Love the EVF and couldn't go back.
07/26/2017 05:09:19 PM · #61
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by vawendy:

... If there was anyway to do it in stages...

Don't most of the mirrorless camera bodies have adapters to attach a Canon lens? The stages could be, new camera body + adapter ...

Of course, you'd have to know what system you want to move to - that's still the big question, yes?


The thing with moving to a new system is that you just can't do it in stages; you can't just buy a body now and a lens later. I mean, you could, but you might as well save and get the body and at least once lens to start.

People have sung the praises of MFT, and they are right. I am an MFT and a FF user (Olympus and Canon respectively). That said, MFT does have it's limitations. A sensor that small will never be as good as a full frame sensor, or even a 1.6x crop sensor, when it comes to low light and high ISO. Sure, the images are good enough, but sometimes good enough is not enough. I have spent a lot of time comparing my blue hour photos taken with an Olympus OM-D E-M1 mkii and a Canon 5d mk4 and the differences are significant. The images from the Olympus are good, but the images from the Canon are so much better. In normal daylight, the quality is the same.

So, what I'm trying to say is, regardless of what system you buy, think about the type of photography you do the most. If it is a lot of low light, night time stuff and you need the highest quality you can get with the least amount of noise, I urge you to think long and hard before going MFT.

All that said, I LOVE my Olympus cameras and if I couldn't afford to also have 5D mkiv, I'd be happy enough with them.

As for adapters, you can look into Metabones, but it's not the same.

That's all over the place, but I'm a strange relationship with MFT :)

Message edited by author 2017-07-26 17:12:20.
07/26/2017 05:11:29 PM · #62
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

The size of the viewfinder issue is "comparative": it won't feel small after a while. You CAN adjust the EVF to be like a dSLR viewfinder (showing bright all the time, not adjusted for exposure) AND if you switch back and forth a lot then you can set that to one of the custom function buttons so you can switch instantly. The great value of the EVF, of course, is precisely that you get real exposure and DOF information visually.

That camera is NOT designed for left-eye-dominant shooters, that's for sure. Just learn to use your right eye, it's not that hard a switch to make. Much easier than trying to write other-handed, anyway. I'm left-eye dominant, and I made the switch decades ago without a lot of trouble.

Regarding slow focus, it WILL be slower with Canon lenses and an adapter than with Sony-native lenses, I believe. That's certainly true with my a7r.


I'm right handed but left-eye dominant. There's an permanent imprint of my nose on all my cameras' backs...and all the nose grease!
08/01/2017 09:08:03 AM · #63
Like dSLR's, viewfinder size varies in mirrorless cameras.

Mirrorless viewfinders are compared by their size and magnification factors.

I've read that the Fuji X-T1/X-T2 viewfinder is actually (at least perceptually) larger than most FF dSLRs. But I can't find the reference for that now.

A comparison of sizes and magnifications can be found here: //www.neocamera.com/article/evf_sizes

Fuji X-T1 2.4 MP 0.5" 0.77X 100%

The Sony A7R is slightly smaller than this at .71X, but the A7R2 is .78X

The Fuji X-T20 unfortunately has a significantly smaller viewfinder, but I find it ok in use (though I wish it had a replaceable eyecup, like the X-T1)

The specs for the X-T20 are the exact same as for the A6500. Probably the same panel as well.

Fuji X-T20/A6500 2.4 MP 0.39" 0.62X 100%

08/02/2017 07:47:32 PM · #64
Originally posted by Chiqui:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

The size of the viewfinder issue is "comparative": it won't feel small after a while. You CAN adjust the EVF to be like a dSLR viewfinder (showing bright all the time, not adjusted for exposure) AND if you switch back and forth a lot then you can set that to one of the custom function buttons so you can switch instantly. The great value of the EVF, of course, is precisely that you get real exposure and DOF information visually.

That camera is NOT designed for left-eye-dominant shooters, that's for sure. Just learn to use your right eye, it's not that hard a switch to make. Much easier than trying to write other-handed, anyway. I'm left-eye dominant, and I made the switch decades ago without a lot of trouble.

Regarding slow focus, it WILL be slower with Canon lenses and an adapter than with Sony-native lenses, I believe. That's certainly true with my a7r.


I'm right handed but left-eye dominant. There's an permanent imprint of my nose on all my cameras' backs...and all the nose grease!


Me too! I'm blind as a bat in my right eye.
08/04/2017 03:54:47 PM · #65
I have to admit I'm getting pretty jealous of the lens lineup available for the FF Sonys now, especially after reading the review on Luminous Landscape of the Sony 12-24 f/4 FF lens.

I still have my D600 and D7100 Nikons and lots of lenses (though not used really anymore) ... and now a second Fuji body. The FF Sony's are so dang expensive though (I'd want a model II with built in stabilization) and of course building a new stable of lenses is even more expensive!
08/05/2017 03:01:00 PM · #66
I'm still looking for the perfect camera. It doesn't exist.

I really like my Olympus EP7. It's really small, i love that it has focus peaking, the 20mm/1.7 I have is small. It's a really good travel camera, but... its not my 5D. Something is missing from the images. Maybe I've gotten so used to the way canon glass resolves colors and the creaminess of the bokeh that its hard to use anything else.

I thought about going to Fuji, but to be honest its not that much smaller than my 5D when you throw a lens on it. Same thing with the sony, the lenses i use are so big, a smaller body is just not worth it.

My vote is to get a 6D, its small, light and full frame. You already have a boat load of lenses to use with it.
08/10/2017 06:07:46 PM · #67
The Canon 7D Mark II just arrived. I'm trying it for a week.

I really should have arranged them both at the same time. I was ready to get the Sony simply because I knew I'd really like the EVF.

But the Canon 7D Mark II is soooo familiar. Already it feels like home.

Sigh.
08/13/2017 03:54:40 AM · #68
Yes, EVF's are amazing once you get used to them.
I honestly could not go back now.
08/13/2017 12:50:01 PM · #69
Don't think it's familiar, think that 7D files are so worse than Sony ones :)
08/18/2017 05:22:20 PM · #70
Ok. Now I have a problem.

I wanted to hate the 7D mark ii. It's big and the playback is really quite slow when I've taken a lot of shots.

But it never once searched for focus with the 100-400 lens! The tracking kept up and was marvelous. The rapid fire shooting was impressive.

Crap crap crap.

The Sony was slow focusing with my 100-400 lens. And it would be about a year and a half before I could get the equivalent sony lens.

So now it's whether to go forward with the EVF and all the things the sony can do, but to go backwards in my favorite type of photography (wildlife) for about a year and a half. Or to have a great wildlife camera, but stay stagnant in all the other areas. I'm truly confused now.

The dumb thing is that I wasted both opportunities. I used each for part of a day instead of a full week because my eye wasn't working.

Last question: You used to be able to go to a camera store, buy a camera and return it if it wasn't what you wanted. It looks like amazon doesn't particularly let you return things (or at least not easily). There's no camera stores around here. There's one about an hour away with a 15% restocking fee which is significant with either of these cameras. Has anyone found a good solution?
08/18/2017 05:53:13 PM · #71
would the equivalent Sony lens be a good rival to the Canon's performance on the Canon? and could you hurry up the year and a half wait? could you rob from some peter to pay paul?
08/18/2017 07:01:03 PM · #72
Originally posted by tnun:

would the equivalent Sony lens be a good rival to the Canon's performance on the Canon? and could you hurry up the year and a half wait? could you rob from some peter to pay paul?


I'm already doing that with the camera. I'm not sure about the lens. I need to go searching. I really don't know much about the Sony lenses. I'm wondering if the 18-105 F4 is pretty equipment to my Canon F4 L series.

But I need to find a 100-400L equivalent.
08/18/2017 07:15:52 PM · #73
Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by tnun:

would the equivalent Sony lens be a good rival to the Canon's performance on the Canon? and could you hurry up the year and a half wait? could you rob from some peter to pay paul?


I'm already doing that with the camera. I'm not sure about the lens. I need to go searching. I really don't know much about the Sony lenses. I'm wondering if the 18-105 F4 is pretty equipment to my Canon F4 L series.

But I need to find a 100-400L equivalent.


Sony has a super new 100-400, better than other super tele zoom lenses out there.
08/18/2017 08:00:45 PM · #74
Ouch... is that the $2499 one? That would take more than a year and a half... I was thinking that they'd be around $1600. :(
08/18/2017 08:07:17 PM · #75
That may have shut down the Sony. If I can't get a 100-400 or more equivalent, I can't do the wildlife shooting. And the limited testing I did with it, the canon 100-400L + metabones was slow and painful. :(
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