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07/19/2017 05:50:02 AM · #26
I am a new, happy, A6300 owner (switching from a Canon 6D). If you have the chance, try it ;-)
07/19/2017 08:35:53 AM · #27
Why can't they put everything I want into one camera??

Doing a quick comparison between the canons 7d and 80D and the sonys a7II and 6300/6500.

I want the sony a7II but with the 10-11 fps. And a battery life of only 350 shots vs the 960 or so on the canon?

You've done wildlife, bear. Do you hate the 5 fps? I know that even with the 10 fps that I need to very carefully time things or I won't get them. You can't just push the shutter and hope. But with the 5 fps, it seems like you really only have 1 chance to hit the shot instead of about 2 chances.

Sounds like it's time to rent some and try them out. Hopefully what I end up with lasts for a long time!
07/19/2017 08:37:00 AM · #28
Originally posted by the_rkp:

I am a new, happy, A6300 owner (switching from a Canon 6D). If you have the chance, try it ;-)


Send it my way! I'll return it in a week or two. :)
07/19/2017 11:24:02 AM · #29
Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by the_rkp:

I am a new, happy, A6300 owner (switching from a Canon 6D). If you have the chance, try it ;-)


Send it my way! I'll return it in a week or two. :)

Ok, give me your address :-P
07/19/2017 01:39:18 PM · #30
Originally posted by vawendy:

You've done wildlife, bear. Do you hate the 5 fps? I know that even with the 10 fps that I need to very carefully time things or I won't get them. You can't just push the shutter and hope. But with the 5 fps, it seems like you really only have 1 chance to hit the shot instead of about 2 chances.

I would NOT be satisfied with my camera if I had a real interest in live-action shooting, such as wildlife or sports. No way is the burst mode fast enough for that. The new Sony a9 takes care of that problem just dandy (it's the "pro" version of the a7) but it's VERY expensive. Considering how into wildlife you are, I believe the APS-C body, specifically the 6500, would be perfect for you. Why the 6500? Because it has 5-axis, in-body stabilization, and Sony has just nailed that; Penny has an a7II and it has the 5-axis thing, and it's marvelous.Also, the tracking autofocus on the 6500 is, from what I've read, simply outstanding.
07/20/2017 06:44:13 PM · #31
Ok -- looks like it's narrowed down to the 6500, vs canon 7d mark ii and the 80d.

I'm trying to track down what I need to rent for the 6500. Having a hard time figuring out the adapaters for the canon lenses. Would the same adapter work for the canon 100-400L, other canon lenses and the tamron 150-600 for canon?

Does the in camera image stabilization fight with the lens stabilization? Which is better? Do you need to turn off the lens or camera stabilization if you have both?

Is my 10-22 canon usable?

This should be fun, but so far it's painful. I'm wondering whether I'm going to be able to get something better than the 7d for that price, or if I'm just trading one issue (noise) for other issues (speed)
07/20/2017 06:58:05 PM · #32
Originally posted by vawendy:

Why can't they put everything I want into one camera??...It's called planned obsolecence, and that's how they keep us suckahs buying new camera bodies, that's how. That's why I have to look at buying a new tripod. Not because there is anything wrong with the old one, but the new one has a feature that the old one cannot be modified for.
Sounds like it's time to rent some and try them out. Hopefully what I end up with lasts for a long time!
...I know you're talking camera bodies, and I'm talking lenses, but make sure you check em out, thoroughly, in-store first. I once rented a lens, a Bigma (80-500 or somethin freakish like that) and I didn't look at it in store. When I got home I saw that it was in the grossest shape you can imagine for a rental lens. Both the focus and zoom rings were *sticky*, and both lenses were so grotted up with smears, fingerprints etc that it took me around 5 minutes of thoroughly swamping it with cleaning solution and most of my paper wipes before I could actually see through it.

Message edited by author 2017-07-20 18:58:20.
07/20/2017 06:58:14 PM · #33
and it looks like the 6500 only has compressed RAW files. How big of an issue is this?
07/20/2017 07:31:22 PM · #34
Originally posted by vawendy:

and it looks like the 6500 only has compressed RAW files. How big of an issue is this?


I really don't think so... where did you read it?

A6500/A6300 files are waaaaay better than 7D files.

As you can see from this comparison (I don't know why DPreview doesn't have 7D among the cameras)
A6500 file is even better than the Canon full frame cameras.

Dpreview Comparison

If you need files of the A6300 (same file of the A6500) I can send you whenever you want :)
07/20/2017 08:24:22 PM · #35
You know, you could probably upgrade to a used 5D Mark III for your budget. I did just that last November, and I see people selling them all the time, since many people have upgraded to the Mark IV.

You would love the AF on it, works the same as the 7D but with way more focus points.
07/20/2017 10:21:29 PM · #36
Originally posted by FromDaRock:

You know, you could probably upgrade to a used 5D Mark III for your budget. I did just that last November, and I see people selling them all the time, since many people have upgraded to the Mark IV.

You would love the AF on it, works the same as the 7D but with way more focus points.

If Wendy goes Full Frame she's gonna lose a LOT of reach in wildlife shooting. Sony's new APS-C sensors are so danged good I'm not sure it's a worthwhile trade for her...
07/20/2017 11:00:56 PM · #37
I've owned the Sony A6300 and used the A6500 and currently have the Nikon D500. As APSC cameras go I have to say that the D500 blows the socks off the Sony's in terms of auto-focus, speed, reliability and low light auto focus. I also much prefer the sensor. It's a far better camera in many ways but then, it's a very different type of camera. No in-body stabalisation or EVF. Those are huge pluses for the sonys. Still, if i was doing mostly wildlife/sport etc I would definitely take the D500 easy. Not sure it's being considered because of budget and lenses but if it is i'd certainly consider it.
07/21/2017 12:14:11 AM · #38
weight? it's 30 oz, the d500.
07/21/2017 12:49:22 AM · #39
Yeah, it's huge. Damn near 2 lbs for the body alone. Weighs twice as much as the Sonys. Of course, that's less of a factor when you consider that good glass still weighs a lot, even on a mirrorless camera...
07/21/2017 03:48:21 AM · #40
Yes, weight is definitely a factor. I do love the Sonys very much - the A7 and the A6300 series. Add a nice lens like the Sony/Zeiss 35mm f1.4 or 85mm f1.4 and the weight advantage falls away though. Those Sony/Zeiss and Zeiss lenses are much better than the Nikon equivalents as well. Such nice lenses. If money wasn't an issue i'd probably jump back on the Sony ship with the A9.
07/21/2017 10:35:34 AM · #41
That's the big problem: I'm wondering if I'm just trading off my current problem for other problems. Can I really get a better camera than I have right now? I'm getting less and less interested in bring it places because it's so dang heavy with all the pieces. I only brought the camera with a one bad lens to Mexico.

But Clive, I can't look at Nikon because I can't afford camera and lenses. (I can't really afford camera, either, but I'm doing my best friend's daughter's wedding in October. And it's really important -- so it's time. So I need something that can take the good glass that I currently have.

It's possible that I could switch over time, but it would have to be slowly lens by lens. Like the way I built it up to begin with.

I want to repeat how much I appreciate everyone chiming in on this. When it's already money I don't have, I REALLY want to make sure I'm not making a big mistake. That's why I'm going to spend the extra renting to really try to get it right.

And Susan, unfortunately, I have to do it online and hope. Small town. We don't even have a camera store anymore.
07/21/2017 11:57:21 AM · #42
Yes, a big total system swop would be pricey and impractical. Definitely better to keep your good lenses. It is a shame that Canon seem to be lagging in many areas.
07/21/2017 12:04:48 PM · #43
I'm slowly switching from Nikon to Sony. STill have the D750, but I already have A7SII, A6300 and Rx100V (and FS700 super35 camera).

Imo Sony is the company more leaning towards the future, above all because I work mainly with video and in that field Canon seems to sleep.
07/22/2017 06:32:15 AM · #44
For you Wendy
Don't under estimate how good M43 is and if you are like me you want to have lighter gear but good quality.

Olympus Review of OMD EM1 Mark II - Wildlife shooter and night shots.

Message edited by author 2017-07-22 06:34:00.
07/22/2017 12:12:34 PM · #45
Originally posted by RamblinR:

For you Wendy
Don't under estimate how good M43 is and if you are like me you want to have lighter gear but good quality.

Olympus Review of OMD EM1 Mark II - Wildlife shooter and night shots.


But with a price tag of $2000 without any lenses, aren't we back to the Nikon problem? Too expensive to start over?
07/22/2017 01:22:33 PM · #46
I recently upgraded to the 7DmkII. I need a fast focusing cam which can switch between studio, street, action and isn't afraid of a little water now and then. I like the much quieter shutter, it's just lovely. It's a bit louder in the fastest shooting mode but still quieter than the mkI. Though I would love a 2nd system (maybe a Fuji) just for street. After using the mkII for a month straight, the mkI feels old. I sometimes need both bodies. So I use the wide on the mkI and the zoom on the mkII. The ease of changing settings on the fly is also important to me so I decided to stick with Canon. I find the mirrorless models can be a bit fussy sometimes. I lament when I have 2 consecutive days of shooting with the both of them, 6-8 hours on my feet. But if you have one body, the 7d is a good one to have. With the upcoming wedding you'll like the piece of mind of having two DSLR bodies. You can find a decently used 7dmkII with a low shutter count for $1000. The button layout is slightly different for the preview, zoom in. Otherwise it's a similar beast. Don't expect much better IQ but the overall package is nicer. I'd rent a different system not the 7dmkII, see how the set performs for at least 3-4 days. LensProToGo or BorrowLenses might have some Summer deals running. If you don't fall in love with the new system you tried, get a used 7dmkII and you can resell it without much loss if you change your mind later. Good luck!

p.s.

The most recent IQ reviews for the 6dmkII aren't too promising. Canon is keeping the best of it for the 5dMKiv.

Message edited by author 2017-07-22 13:26:25.
07/22/2017 05:40:08 PM · #47
I know where you are, I was there 5 years ago. I had a Canon 7d, 60d, and about 7 canon lenses and 3 flashes. I tried an OMD Em5 and fell in love immediately. Sold all my Canon gear and I can tell you I would never have thought I would ever do that as it had taken me a long time to build up the system but I was never happy with the focus no matter which body I had.

My new gear is so much lighter which is something I really appreciate as I get older and something you have already commented on. Do yourself a favour and rent one and see of you like it and if it will work for you. If you want a lighter system then this is a fine choice. If you are considering changing systems now is the time to look at it instead. Canon gear still sells really well. Do some math and see what you can get for your gear and what you can purchase but keep in mind that it's a good idea to also look at used m43 gear as well which will soften the cost of the transfer except for the camera.

My suggested kit for you:

Olympus OMD EM1 Mark II
Olympus 12-40 f2.8 pro
Panasonic 35-100 f2.8
Panasonic 100-400 f4-6.3
Olympus 60 f2.8 macro

:)

If you want a couple of portrait primes you can add

Olympus 45 f1.8
Olympus 25 f1.8

There are so many choices with M43 lenses the following could also be considered for cheaper and lighter

Olympus 40-150 f3.5-f5.6
Olympus 75-300 f4-f6.7

Message edited by author 2017-07-22 18:04:26.
07/22/2017 09:23:29 PM · #48
Lens reviews - click the graph pic on the right hand side and it will open up and you can change the aperture and focal length to get an idea of sharpness

Panasonic 100-400 mm lens

Compared to your current long lens
side by side

weight 7d setup = 2.870 kg
weight OMD setup = 1.550 kg

07/25/2017 08:16:26 AM · #49
It looks marvelous, but I can't see it working right now. The problem is that I need to move whatever direction I'm moving slowly. I can replace the camera, but I can't s afford to do the lenses and I can't be without them with a wedding in October.

I was tempted to rent it anyway, but I think it's just too big of a move right now.

If there was anyway to do it in stages...
07/25/2017 08:23:26 AM · #50
Originally posted by vawendy:

... If there was anyway to do it in stages...

Don't most of the mirrorless camera bodies have adapters to attach a Canon lens? The stages could be, new camera body + adapter ...

Of course, you'd have to know what system you want to move to - that's still the big question, yes?
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