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10/14/2004 03:30:39 PM · #76 |
I have been thru the challenge shots and found numerous repeats on the same topic/subject, however in these challenges there are bound to similar photos of the same objects.
What I have noticed tho, these past few challenges is the way the votes are dropping from 6/7's to 4/5's. I bet the average vote has dropped by 2 points.
Is this because the standard has dropped, or are voters becoming jaded by the task of voting? It is rare to see a bad photo in the challenges, lacking in imagination or composition maybe, but does this justify the poor scoring of late?
It is disheartening to see a good photo poorly scored or blasted for not being on topic/badly lit or too tightly cropped. I hope things improve soon or people just won't enter the challenges! |
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10/14/2004 03:32:03 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by giega:
I just wish that people who score images 1-3 would leave some comments. It seems that they would be most critical, so they should give suggestions on how to improve. Otherwise, I feel like they're a bunch of trolls determined to downrate the pictures in order to get a better standing for their own. |
I agree. I am real curious to know how many people out there look at a picture, decide it doesn't fit their interpretation of the challenge, and just give a 1. I know they are out there, and I am starting to think they are a large percentage. |
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10/14/2004 03:37:56 PM · #78 |
Originally posted by Formerlee:
It is disheartening to see a good photo poorly scored or blasted for not being on topic/badly lit or too tightly cropped. I hope things improve soon or people just won't enter the challenges! |
Word!
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10/14/2004 03:41:20 PM · #79 |
Why is it that voters only see an object like a phone, mobile, tin can, T V as communication? I am not knocking those images at all.
But the basic form of communication and relating to one another, is through touch, sounds and sight! Isn't it?
As for the 1s and 2s I am sure people just look and give them out because in thier mind it doesn't fit the challenge.
Because even top images get them which is a silly way of voting It is hard work voting and time consumming but if they havent got the time to look at the image for what it is, it's best to sit the voting out IMHO.
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10/14/2004 03:41:54 PM · #80 |
Originally posted by dartompkins:
Originally posted by giega:
I just wish that people who score images 1-3 would leave some comments. It seems that they would be most critical, so they should give suggestions on how to improve. Otherwise, I feel like they're a bunch of trolls determined to downrate the pictures in order to get a better standing for their own. |
I agree. I am real curious to know how many people out there look at a picture, decide it doesn't fit their interpretation of the challenge, and just give a 1. I know they are out there, and I am starting to think they are a large percentage. |
I totally agree! My image has a hidden image in it [I do not feel that gives my photo away], but out of 184 views and 143 votes only one person has commented on it and I have only two comments in all. That tells me some are not looking at the photos closely and not many comments given out so far. I tend to go back after voting and then give my comments. That way I’m satisfied with the vote I have cast and then can comment on what I see. |
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10/14/2004 03:42:26 PM · #81 |
Originally posted by giega:
Originally posted by Formerlee:
It is disheartening to see a good photo poorly scored or blasted for not being on topic/badly lit or too tightly cropped. I hope things improve soon or people just won't enter the challenges! |
Word! |
well this is a photographic challenge, so I think that marking a shot down because of poor lighting, poor cropping or other technically oriented mistakes is normal...on the other hand, I try and not mark down a shot with regards to subject matter/topic unless it's really really off.
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10/14/2004 03:46:17 PM · #82 |
I only have 2 comments saying Nice image but doesn't fit the challenge
It screams communication to me and others who have looked at it.
The basic forms
But it's not a phone I still like it and its definately not worth a 1,2,3,4, I will settle for a 5 LOL! |
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10/14/2004 03:49:38 PM · #83 |
i know what you mean and when i frist joined this site (wisper) i was one of them (don't kill me)
but i quickly turned my frame of mind around and now if i don't like a shot for what ever reason i will let the person know.
the former me is also come back to really really bug me! i have a bad score 3.8something and i don't mind failing missuribly but i want to know why (i thought this shot might have promiss of at least top 50[i'm always going for persional best]). i would like to see at least 15 comments like i did on my frist shot ever and i don't mean the "your shot just doesn't do it for me" BS i want a real com. why, why,why.
ok i'm done i really need to eat something before i go south
_Brando_
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10/14/2004 03:50:34 PM · #84 |
Originally posted by Formerlee:
It is disheartening to see a good photo poorly scored or blasted for not being on topic/badly lit or too tightly cropped. I hope things improve soon or people just won't enter the challenges! |
What would be a valid reason for a poor score? |
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10/14/2004 03:53:24 PM · #85 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Originally posted by Formerlee:
It is disheartening to see a good photo poorly scored or blasted for not being on topic/badly lit or too tightly cropped. I hope things improve soon or people just won't enter the challenges! |
What would be a valid reason for a poor score? |
That was my question too, poor lighting, focus, cropping ect. are basic photography requirements...which should be right up there when doing a shot.
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10/14/2004 03:55:21 PM · #86 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
What would be a valid reason for a poor score? |
To me, the only reason I score low (1), is that the image in absolutely no way meets the challenge (challenge: "orange" and submission is an apple). I will look at a photo for at least 30 seconds to see if I see how they interpruted the challenge, if I find that there might be a way that I do not see, I will score it a 2. And I usually give 3's to photos that totally meet the challenge but has really bad issues, such as bad cropping, horrible lighting, terrible grain, etc. But most of my scores are over 4.
Message edited by author 2004-10-14 15:55:51.
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10/14/2004 03:56:53 PM · #87 |
out of focus, bad composition, something completely off topic
I only ever give out 1s and 2s if is just a blur. I try to look for the best in a photo.
If I am not sure IMHO that its not ON topic But it's a great image I will give it at least a 5. |
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10/14/2004 03:59:26 PM · #88 |
Bad focus.
Bad lighting.
Size. (Have you seen thumbnail size submissions?)
But even then I rarely give 1 or 2.
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10/14/2004 03:59:28 PM · #89 |
Originally posted by aerogurl:
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
What would be a valid reason for a poor score? |
To me, the only reason I score low (1), is that the image in absolutely no way meets the challenge (challenge: "orange" and submission is an apple). I will look at a photo for at least 30 seconds to see if I see how they interpruted the challenge, if I find that there might be a way that I do not see, I will score it a 2. And I usually give 3's to photos that totally meet the challenge but has really bad issues, such as bad cropping, horrible lighting, terrible grain, etc. But most of my scores are over 4. |
If it looks to me like a basic snapshot with little thought involved and little emotion or idea conveyed I'll give it a 3. Further to that, if there are serious technical issues or it doesn't meet the challenge or if it just bugs me a lot I'll give it a 2.
I'll only give the photo a 1 if the person is asking for a 1 (either literally or photographically). |
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10/14/2004 04:00:22 PM · #90 |
Let me rephrase the last bit of my former comment.
I meant that the photo was a good shot, but in the opinion of the voter it was one of the following...off topic, badly lit ot too tightly cropped.
Of course a photo that exhibits any of those traits deserves to be voted down. But not if the voter only thinks this is case, should it be voted down...I have had poorly lit photos and agree that when someone comments on this, then I tend to be able to look again and agree. But I have had comments that say these things when they are not in fact the case.
Message edited by author 2004-10-14 16:01:28. |
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10/14/2004 04:01:48 PM · #91 |
Okay, I agree that if a voter is objectively incorrect in their evaluation then it's a pity...but what can you do?
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10/14/2004 04:06:30 PM · #92 |
There is not much you can do, but I hope that by discussing these issues we can at least make our point and have somebody take a look at their voting patterns.
146/5.2192 just to be on topic :-D
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10/14/2004 04:06:36 PM · #93 |
Originally posted by Formerlee:
I meant that the photo was a good shot, but in the opinion of the voter it was one of the following...off topic, badly lit ot too tightly cropped.
Of course a photo that exhibits any of those traits deserves to be voted down. But not if the voter only thinks this is case, should it be voted down... |
The voter votes on what he sees and what he feels. If he see the bad cropping, or bad light or bad whatever in his own opinion, than he is entitled to give his own score of the picture. He doesn't vote in the name of DPC. He votes in his own name and according to his own taste and conscience.
If he sees any flaws, than it is not a good photo according to him. We may agree or disagree, but do we want to teach people how to feel and vote? |
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10/14/2004 04:07:36 PM · #94 |
i think people are too quick to give out 1's
i know my picture here wasn't great and too small but 34/1's and 47/2's come on!
but im not one to complain :) |
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10/14/2004 04:08:13 PM · #95 |
Originally posted by giega:
There is not much you can do, but I hope that by discussing these issues we can at least make our point and have somebody take a look at their voting patterns.
146/5.2192 just to be on topic :-D |
The whole point is that there would be no 'voting patterns' in this case. They are just making a mistake in the way they evaluate the photograph.
Other than monitor calibration for a voter that might say every photo is too dark and vote it down accordingly...but I doubt that's happening. |
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10/14/2004 04:12:06 PM · #96 |
It's from graphicfunk's profile:
NOTE: I never vote one's or two's. I mean, a one is the worst. Have not seen many of those. Who are these masters that vote 1 and 2's. I wish they could identify themselves, they have so much to teach us.
:-) So please leave coments if you vote 1 or 2 or 3
Message edited by author 2004-10-14 16:13:11.
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10/14/2004 04:13:16 PM · #97 |
Originally posted by giega:
It's from graphicfunk's profile:
NOTE: I never vote one's or two's. I mean, a one is the worst. Have not seen many of those. Who are these masters that vote 1 and 2's. I wish they could identify themselves, they have so much to teach us.
:-) So please leave coments if you vote 1 or 2 or 3 |
or 4 or 5 or 6 or 7 or 8 or 9 or 10.
We can all learn. |
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10/14/2004 04:13:25 PM · #98 |
Originally posted by giega:
It's from graphicfunk's profile:
NOTE: I never vote one's or two's. I mean, a one is the worst. Have not seen many of those. Who are these masters that vote 1 and 2's. I wish they could identify themselves, they have so much to teach us.
:-) So please leave coments if you vote 1 or 2 or 3 |
Great. That's all we can ask for. Gaphicfunk is a wise man :) |
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10/14/2004 04:13:36 PM · #99 |
Originally posted by riotspyne:
i think people are too quick to give out 1's
i know my picture here wasn't great and too small but 34/1's and 47/2's come on!
but im not one to complain :) |
I gave it a "2"... so I am one of the 47 people, sorry. I felt the image was good and kinda went along with the challenge, but it was just way to small to see any good detail. You must remember that there are those of us out here who have monitor displays as high was 1600x1200, so a 200x200 image is just Small. :o)
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10/14/2004 04:19:59 PM · #100 |
Originally posted by aerogurl:
I gave it a "2"... so I am one of the 47 people, sorry. I felt the image was good and kinda went along with the challenge, but it was just way to small to see any good detail. You must remember that there are those of us out here who have monitor displays as high was 1600x1200, so a 200x200 image is just Small. :o) |
no justification needed :) i know too small.....accident
and yes to stay on topic
Votes: 155
Views: 202
Avg Vote: 5.2710
Comments: 5
Message edited by author 2004-10-14 16:21:16. |
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