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 10/13/2004 09:14:54 PM · #51
Originally posted by aerogurl:
I get the "this is out of focus" comments, and I'm thinking, YES, I Know! It was intentional! hehehe


Same here. I tried to do something original and it seems like people couldn't understand what I was trying to do and voted me down for the things I did on purpose. Right now I have a 3.09 or something like that. I was hoping for at least a four to try not to disapoint myself because I know it is tough to get a good score on this site but man. I think I am going to get last place.
 10/13/2004 09:37:04 PM · #52
Originally posted by jmlelii:
also, I just breifly looked at the thumbs, and I swear if I see any more phones ill cry.


Wow. You weren't kidding. There were a LOT of phones. I just got done voting. Phew! Time to grab a Guinness and zone out to South Park reruns. :-)
Cheers!
 10/13/2004 10:01:47 PM · #53
I guess I should have submitted a phone too.
I my pictures alot more than the first challenge I entered, and the score is lower!
I've been hovering around 4.33 since the voting started.
 10/13/2004 10:06:56 PM · #54
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going down, slowly, but surely
 10/13/2004 10:23:33 PM · #55
People are COMMUNICATING about to many “cans and strings” and “cell phones”, but the truth is there are a lot of other entities that are repeated: Phones 15+ / Cell towers 13+ / Writing on paper 8+ / and Countless people talking, whispering, etc. So when voting lets don’t let the number of similar entries reflect a sour vote.
 10/13/2004 10:35:44 PM · #56
Using a phone didn't help me do much better than that 4.3... i'm at 4.55 right now. Just another reason for me to hate those things.
 10/13/2004 10:43:34 PM · #57
i'm really not doing as good as i had hoped since i thought that this was one of my most prefected photos oh well.

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i do feel a little bad about the way i have been voting in regards to the same picture sindrom but i think that it should not be the fact that there are more of one type that should turn people off if your shot is good than you should get what you diserve in the rating. People please don't vote someone down cause there are alot of that type of subject if anything just use it to make compairsons as to what shots are excedingly good (for this reason i have reavaluated lots of my votes very good point SDW65.
_Brando_
 10/13/2004 10:57:09 PM · #58
Down to 4.6 and approaching 4.5! Maybe I'll still be in the running for brown? :)
 10/13/2004 11:20:59 PM · #59
i think when something is repeated it does effect my voting in the sense that it gives me something to compare it to. when there is an awesome picture of a cell phone, great angle, great lighting, great focus, grat execution. Then you get just a "picture" of a cell phone. you think, "this is nothing compared to that previous shot of the same cell phone" if i hadnt seen the awesome picture of the other cell phone, it probably would have scored higher.... that's just me though. I would not score a well done photo lower just because it has been repeated, although i would score higher if it was an original idea.
 10/13/2004 11:50:37 PM · #60
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Not one to winge about scores but I really made an effort on this one and thought I had been original in my creation.. oh well looks like the best picture of 2 cans and a piece of string will romp home followed by a picture of a cell phone.

Back to the drawing board for me with a big cheesey grin on my face.
 10/14/2004 12:20:06 AM · #61
Originally posted by riotspyne:
i think when something is repeated it does effect my voting in the sense that it gives me something to compare it to. when there is an awesome picture of a cell phone, great angle, great lighting, great focus, grat execution. Then you get just a "picture" of a cell phone. you think, "this is nothing compared to that previous shot of the same cell phone" if i hadnt seen the awesome picture of the other cell phone, it probably would have scored higher.... that's just me though. I would not score a well done photo lower just because it has been repeated, although i would score higher if it was an original idea.


That is exactly what I mean. I think you make a point everyone should read, compare not condemn. Thank you for sharing your take on the subject riotspyne
 10/14/2004 06:16:36 AM · #62
Well, I am down to 3.03. Do they really give a ribbon for last place? lol, I thought I would at least get around a 4.5.
 10/14/2004 06:44:25 AM · #63
Originally posted by livingfiction:
The response to my communication photo is really disapointing, as is my defining feature. On the Wildlife submission, I was reaching, and I knew it. I just really liked the picture, and enjoy participating in the site. But the people saying they don't get the association with Communication have me baffled. I'm looking at the mid 4's right now.

Then with my Defining Feature piece, I'm getting people complaining about the very essence of the piece. The complaints seem to be answered by the name and purpose of the photo.

Have a look at my wildlife submission, it scored horribly, and I completely understand. I wasn't trying to loosen the interpretation of the challenge, but I see how I did, especially when compared to the other submissions. I think these others are being judged too harshly as people are unable, or unwilling to see the meaning of communication in a picture that isn't of a phone, or a couple of cans and a string.


Hey, I really liked your "touch" entry!


Honestly, sometimes I do not understand the voting. For example, in the "Eye", errr, "Defining Feature" challenge, the eyes definitely had it, and what will probably ribbon is an eyeball or a pair of eyeballs. Not that I have anything against eyeballs, but I do like originality. Anyhow, I am not sure where that came from, but, enough of that....
 10/14/2004 06:59:06 AM · #64
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Aagghhh...please can we stop NOW!!! This is the best score I have ever had and I'm gonna be really sour when the midweek plunge kicks in.
 10/14/2004 09:34:30 AM · #65
For all the complaining about the number of cups and phones, I've decided that if you enter anything conceptually more complex than the viewer can see in 1 second, you lose.

My photo absolutely does meet the challenge, but you have to look at it 30 seconds or so and think about it. I didn't title it to give it away, because such titles are ugly, though in retrospect, perhaps I should have. I've tested it on associates, and they see it, but it's not as 1-second obvious as a cup and a string.

Then again, is that as deep as you want your photos in these challenges to be?

Folks, if you don't think it meets the challenge, spend a few extra seconds and see if you are not looking at all the components of the message!!!!

A really good photo (even per the three comments I've received) and my lowest score EVER (or at least it looks that way). I'm not complaining about my score (this time) as much as the implication/requirement for shallow interpretations of the challenge.
10/14/2004 10:41:13 AM · #66
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I'd agree that voters seem to take the challenges a bit too literally. Personally, I got tired of looking at tin cans, cellphones, and messages in bottles.

I hadn't really expected to score well in this challenge, though I'm pleased with my photograph. The politically-incorrect subject matter is dragging down the vote, as evidenced by the expected comments.
 10/14/2004 10:48:56 AM · #67
Originally posted by SDW65:
That is exactly what I mean. I think you make a point everyone should read, compare not condemn. Thank you for sharing your take on the subject riotspyne


thanks
 10/14/2004 11:47:45 AM · #68
Originally posted by nshapiro:
For all the complaining about the number of cups and phones, I've decided that if you enter anything conceptually more complex than the viewer can see in 1 second, you lose.

My photo absolutely does meet the challenge, but you have to look at it 30 seconds or so and think about it. I didn't title it to give it away, because such titles are ugly, though in retrospect, perhaps I should have. I've tested it on associates, and they see it, but it's not as 1-second obvious as a cup and a string.

Then again, is that as deep as you want your photos in these challenges to be?

Folks, if you don't think it meets the challenge, spend a few extra seconds and see if you are not looking at all the components of the message!!!!

A really good photo (even per the three comments I've received) and my lowest score EVER (or at least it looks that way). I'm not complaining about my score (this time) as much as the implication/requirement for shallow interpretations of the challenge.


If people need to contemplate and ponder to "understand" your work...perhaps it should not be entered in "contests"... a contests should be viewed as a page in a magasine...you have to tittilate the audience...that does not mean your submission need to be lame, just impactful.
 10/14/2004 11:52:55 AM · #69
Originally posted by Gil P:

If people need to contemplate and ponder to "understand" your work...perhaps it should not be entered in "contests"... a contests should be viewed as a page in a magasine...you have to tittilate the audience...that does not mean your submission need to be lame, just impactful.


i dont agree with this, it doesnt have to be in a magazine, it can be any form of artistic expression im my opinion, if you dont like, dont score it well. whatever. but i think the people here are free to submit anything, they think is art.
i may take a picture of a mud puddle and think it is the most beautiful thing in the world, but it wouldnt go in a mgazine. it would go on my wall. if i want to submit this into a challenge i will. these challenges are to get you thinking about different types of pictures you can take. not all magazine covers
 10/14/2004 12:14:55 PM · #70
Originally posted by Gil P:
Originally posted by nshapiro:
For all the complaining about the number of cups and phones, I've decided that if you enter anything conceptually more complex than the viewer can see in 1 second, you lose.
...snip...

Then again, is that as deep as you want your photos in these challenges to be?
..snip..


If people need to contemplate and ponder to "understand" your work...perhaps it should not be entered in "contests"... a contests should be viewed as a page in a magasine...you have to tittilate the audience...that does not mean your submission need to be lame, just impactful.


Ah, is this an advertising photography site?

If a picture is such so shallow that I only need to look at it for 1-3 seconds, and unless in that 1-3 seconds it somehow makes me think or feel, then I am not at all interested in it. Will you want to look at it again? Study it? Will it leave you feeling better? Or even worse?

I think this is tantamount to the stock photo versus photography argument on this site.

I had several opportunities for "shallow interpretation" photos--they were even decent aesthetically. I won't give details because there are others like it in the challenge. But I decided I was personally happier submitting the deeper shot, and I had hoped the level of interpretation of photography on this site could accomodate that. (Note: I'm not claiming mine is a work of art, it's just a level removed in depth from the shallow interpretation shots. And I don't mean to offend anyone, I think this is a problem on DPC; though all sites have their problems; on other sites I participate in, it's the lack of anonymous, and thus honest, critique!)

Regards--Neil
 10/14/2004 12:25:21 PM · #71
Yet there are people on this site who refuse to acknowledge that the stock photos or "studio shots" always do better...

I don't want to extend this into another debate but Gil, it's your viewpoint (which is shared by many at this site) which limits the scope of what we see on this site.

As long as this is the case, technical perfection will always be valued more than the moment or the mood.

Edit: I should mention that I actually do like "icon" type photos (or stock photography), but I wish this site was more diverse.

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 10/14/2004 03:19:23 PM · #72
Originally posted by JoshuaM:
Originally posted by aerogurl:
I get the "this is out of focus" comments, and I'm thinking, YES, I Know! It was intentional! hehehe


Same here. I tried to do something original and it seems like people couldn't understand what I was trying to do and voted me down for the things I did on purpose. Right now I have a 3.09 or something like that. I was hoping for at least a four to try not to disapoint myself because I know it is tough to get a good score on this site but man. I think I am going to get last place.


Give it time Josh. TBH this is the first challenge I actually feel that I might place in the top 10. I placed 7th before and it was a complete shock, but this week I went back and looked at all the other challenges, saw what "type" of photos won, and did it. This doesnt say anything about what kind of photographer I am, I think my original and candid shots are much better than these studio shots, but they are usually what win. Good Luck and dont get discouraged!!
 10/14/2004 03:24:35 PM · #73
When I made the refference to a Magazine, I meant that People "browse" thru the images in the same manner as they would thru the pages of a magazine.. of course there are those who will take a close look and I am being generalistic BUT if an image catches my eye, I will take a pause and look at it with attention...if an image does not catch my eye I will be less interested in exploring it... it's a normal reaction.
 10/14/2004 03:24:47 PM · #74
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Aagghhh...please can we stop NOW!!! This is the best score I have ever had and I'm gonna be really sour when the midweek plunge kicks in.


I feel the same way Matthew. My photo started out at a 7 and its done nothing but slowly slip down the scale since. Looks like we are both doing pretty good, Congrats! I hate to seem like I'm gloating, but this is the best I've ever done, so I am proud!!! :o)

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10/14/2004 03:28:06 PM · #75
I just wish that people who score images 1-3 would leave some comments. It seems that they would be most critical, so they should give suggestions on how to improve. Otherwise, I feel like they're a bunch of trolls determined to downrate the pictures in order to get a better standing for their own.

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