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06/03/2016 02:18:35 PM · #1
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by herfotoman:

One of the former undeserving 2nd place images has been DQ'd because it was taken by a rank amateur with no work-pride, a day too early; the photographer should be whipped to within an inch of his life as he admitted he counted wrong :-(

Those only happen on days when I write up DQs before I've had my morning coffee-and-avocado, and Penny makes sure I don't miss that because I get crabby :-)


Eeewww... You put avocado in your coffee?? Why ruin a perfectly good avocado?!
06/03/2016 10:53:09 AM · #2
Originally posted by herfotoman:

I do like the way Mr Bearman presents the DQ's with a bit more information and a personal touch.

It should be taken further, IMHO. Take for example this DQ of mine, for the Technically Flawed challenge. Bear wrote:

"One of the former 2nd place images has been DQ'd because it was taken a day too early; the photographer counted wrong :-( "

I would like to see the DQ's written in the following vein:

One of the former undeserving 2nd place images has been DQ'd because it was taken by a rank amateur with no work-pride, a day too early; the photographer should be whipped to within an inch of his life as he admitted he counted wrong :-(


That's the way I read it in my mind, of course.

;)
06/03/2016 10:52:34 AM · #3
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by herfotoman:

One of the former undeserving 2nd place images has been DQ'd because it was taken by a rank amateur with no work-pride, a day too early; the photographer should be whipped to within an inch of his life as he admitted he counted wrong :-(

Those only happen on days when I write up DQs before I've had my morning coffee-and-avocado, and Penny makes sure I don't miss that because I get crabby :-)


Three cheers for Penny!

Hip, Hip, Hurrah!

Hip, Hip, Hurrah!

Hip, Hip, Hurrah!

I can see that she works behind the scene, making all of our lives more pleasant. Ha!
06/03/2016 10:08:20 AM · #4
Originally posted by herfotoman:

One of the former undeserving 2nd place images has been DQ'd because it was taken by a rank amateur with no work-pride, a day too early; the photographer should be whipped to within an inch of his life as he admitted he counted wrong :-(

Those only happen on days when I write up DQs before I've had my morning coffee-and-avocado, and Penny makes sure I don't miss that because I get crabby :-)
06/03/2016 07:43:57 AM · #5
I do like the way Mr Bearman presents the DQ's with a bit more information and a personal touch.

It should be taken further, IMHO. Take for example this DQ of mine, for the Technically Flawed challenge. Bear wrote:

"One of the former 2nd place images has been DQ'd because it was taken a day too early; the photographer counted wrong :-( "

I would like to see the DQ's written in the following vein:

One of the former undeserving 2nd place images has been DQ'd because it was taken by a rank amateur with no work-pride, a day too early; the photographer should be whipped to within an inch of his life as he admitted he counted wrong :-(
06/03/2016 07:22:30 AM · #6
Originally posted by Lydia:

I have noticed a VERY short validation time lately... in the last year or so.

Mostly happens within 48 hours.

I think it's amazingly fast lately... considering that they all have lives... and all have to reach a quorum.


Wonderful work from the SC.

06/03/2016 07:16:41 AM · #7
Typical.
06/03/2016 03:33:36 AM · #8
I think I prefer lemon curd to jam in the majority of cases.

But I realise its all a personal thing.
06/02/2016 11:38:23 PM · #9
I have noticed a VERY short validation time lately... in the last year or so.

Mostly happens within 48 hours.

I think it's amazingly fast lately... considering that they all have lives... and all have to reach a quorum.
06/02/2016 11:36:27 PM · #10
Oh... I haven't been following the thread... so... this isn't a political statement... if it seems like one.

*eek*

06/02/2016 11:28:10 PM · #11
You validate because... we have rules here.

And the rules need to be followed in order to... retain order.

Thanks, SC!!

06/02/2016 06:58:26 PM · #12
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by nygold:

Originally posted by Skip:

Originally posted by nygold:

What is the time limit on when it's safe to delete old originals? Seems unfair to ask for validation weeks after the challenge has ended.

just curious, why on earth would you ever delete an original file?


I really have no use for most of what I shoot for DPC. To be quite honest I don't even like most of the images I submit here.

I really would like to see a validation time limit. How about 30 days? Seems fair.

"Fair" doesn't seem to me to be relevant. We have a simple rule that all entries are subject to validation, and an original is required for that. It can't be that great a burden to archive two files.

I can't reveal don't remember any specifics, but we've had a situation where one validation investigation led to a review of earlier entries, revealing a pattern which resulted in something more than the simple DQ of the initiating image. As one of those responsible for making sure the challenges are "fair" I think it's necessary that we be able to validate any image any time.


I have no problem with the validation rule.
I also have no problem with validating ALL the images in the challenge.
I do have a problem with waiting weeks then asking for a validation of an ugly image that ended up near the back page.
It's the lack of a time limit. Do you really think it's necessary to validate an image from a challenge that ended in November of 2015?
06/02/2016 06:08:33 PM · #13
Originally posted by nygold:

Originally posted by Skip:

Originally posted by nygold:

What is the time limit on when it's safe to delete old originals? Seems unfair to ask for validation weeks after the challenge has ended.

just curious, why on earth would you ever delete an original file?


I really have no use for most of what I shoot for DPC. To be quite honest I don't even like most of the images I submit here.

I really would like to see a validation time limit. How about 30 days? Seems fair.

"Fair" doesn't seem to me to be relevant. We have a simple rule that all entries are subject to validation, and an original is required for that. It can't be that great a burden to archive two files.

I can't reveal don't remember any specifics, but we've had a situation where one validation investigation led to a review of earlier entries, revealing a pattern which resulted in something more than the simple DQ of the initiating image. As one of those responsible for making sure the challenges are "fair" I think it's necessary that we be able to validate any image any time.
06/02/2016 05:37:57 PM · #14
Originally posted by Skip:

Originally posted by nygold:

What is the time limit on when it's safe to delete old originals? Seems unfair to ask for validation weeks after the challenge has ended.

just curious, why on earth would you ever delete an original file?


I really have no use for most of what I shoot for DPC. To be quite honest I don't even like most of the images I submit here.

I really would like to see a validation time limit. How about 30 days? Seems fair.
06/02/2016 03:36:17 PM · #15
oh my.
06/02/2016 03:16:26 PM · #16
Originally posted by PennyStreet:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by PennyStreet:

What is "pepped"?

Sorry, "peeped".

By that you mean you think people will take the trouble to look up the exif in hopes of discovering the owner of the file? Really?

We know for a fact it's done. Or was done, anyway; there used to be posts in the forums about it. It was suggested we should have some sort of a filter as part of our upload mechanism that would strip identifying info whilst leaving technical info in place. How prevalent it is now, we don't know, but the "sanctity of anonymity" people believed we should REQUIRE stripped EXIF on entries for this reason :-) Can't win for trying, is my take on it...
06/02/2016 03:07:14 PM · #17
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by PennyStreet:

What is "pepped"?

Sorry, "peeped".


By that you mean you think people will take the trouble to look up the exif in hopes of discovering the owner of the file? Really?
06/02/2016 02:43:24 PM · #18
Originally posted by PennyStreet:

What is "pepped"?

Sorry, "peeped".
06/02/2016 01:26:28 PM · #19
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by PennyStreet:

Originally posted by tanguera:

Originally posted by nygold:

What is the time limit on when it's safe to delete old originals? Seems unfair to ask for validation weeks after the challenge has ended.

Usually it's after rollover, for about a week. Two weeks is more than enough to keep originals.

I got DQd for not having an original (cleaned up some files) two weeks after the challenge ended. The thread that ensued assured me that it could happen anytime and I shouldn't delete the originals from photos submitted here, ever.

That's the smart way to handle it, though "forever" may be extreme :-) When you consider that all you need to keep is what you've ENTERED, not everything you shot, it's not that big a deal. Tanguera's right about that 2 weeks, as a rule, BUT it's conceivable something could come up later than that. I can't offhand think of an example since I've been SC except one time that we DQ'd a top-5 a few weeks after the challenge ended. Personally, I try to be proactive and request originals down the line if it looks like we MAY have a problem validating a top-5, so that helps.


With solid state drives getting cheaper and cheaper, it's driving down the price of traditional hard drives. Considering the price of a 1 tb traditional hard drive is $60 it shouldn't be a problem to keep originals on challenge entries.
06/02/2016 01:17:23 PM · #20
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

You can always do a save-as at low res, make the entry, which populates the fields, then go back and save-for-web and replace the entry; the fields will still be populated. I think it's easier to just type 'em in while entering; I do it every time, it just takes a few seconds. When you're in Bridge or LR getting ready to process you can note those 3 numbers on a scratch pad, then you don't have to search after you're done.


I rarely use SFW anymore because the JPEG enters the information automatically. That way I can always check to make sure I'm in date range. I save the jpeg (doesn't have to be under 700) to my workshop and upload to the challenge from there (the site resizes it).

Originally posted by Bear_Music:


Sounds great in theory but how would you have us enforce this? Seems a bit draconian to DQ otherwise valid images because someone failed to enter data in those fields. Requiring EXIF on actual submissions is not a good idea because that EXIF can be pepped during the challenge to identify shooters. For that reason alone, many of us strip EXIF from submissions.


What is "pepped"?
06/02/2016 12:49:19 PM · #21
You can always do a save-as at low res, make the entry, which populates the fields, then go back and save-for-web and replace the entry; the fields will still be populated. I think it's easier to just type 'em in while entering; I do it every time, it just takes a few seconds. When you're in Bridge or LR getting ready to process you can note those 3 numbers on a scratch pad, then you don't have to search after you're done.
06/02/2016 12:43:45 PM · #22
Originally posted by PennyStreet:

Originally posted by Skip:



Originally posted by sfalice:

And as a suggestion, along these lines, now that the entry sizes are larger,
and because it's imperative that all entries are taken within a certain time frame,
perhaps it's time to require that the EXIF data be included on all DPC Entries.

(maybe stirs up hornets nest, runs, hides...just in case)


i agree completely! i wish all the fields were mandatory. i hate looking at images here with no info in them. selfish and lazy, imho, considering that this is a learning site...


Post challenge I often go back and look for exif and find myself disappointed. I would love to see this requirement added.


I have a tendency to spend too much time on something and getting myself headachy or overly tired. So it seems a pain to go back and add the exif data. I figure hardly anyone is looking for it.

But then someone told me that the save as keeps the data and imports it. So now I try to do that option whenever I can.

However, when the file is too big, the only way I know of to keep the best resolution and still get within the 700k file size limit is to use the save for web info, which strips out the exif data.

Is there something I'm missing? Can you use the save as function to get the exif and still tell it to stay under 700k without simply guessing over and over?
06/02/2016 12:42:45 PM · #23
Originally posted by PennyStreet:

Originally posted by Skip:

Originally posted by sfalice:

And as a suggestion, along these lines, now that the entry sizes are larger,
and because it's imperative that all entries are taken within a certain time frame,
perhaps it's time to require that the EXIF data be included on all DPC Entries.
(maybe stirs up hornets nest, runs, hides...just in case)

i agree completely! i wish all the fields were mandatory. i hate looking at images here with no info in them. selfish and lazy, imho, considering that this is a learning site...

Post challenge I often go back and look for exif and find myself disappointed. I would love to see this requirement added.

Sounds great in theory but how would you have us enforce this? Seems a bit draconian to DQ otherwise valid images because someone failed to enter data in those fields. Requiring EXIF on actual submissions is not a good idea because that EXIF can be peeped during the challenge to identify shooters. For that reason alone, many of us strip EXIF from submissions.

Message edited by author 2016-06-02 14:45:56.
06/02/2016 12:40:02 PM · #24
Originally posted by PennyStreet:

Originally posted by tanguera:

Originally posted by nygold:

What is the time limit on when it's safe to delete old originals? Seems unfair to ask for validation weeks after the challenge has ended.

Usually it's after rollover, for about a week. Two weeks is more than enough to keep originals.

I got DQd for not having an original (cleaned up some files) two weeks after the challenge ended. The thread that ensued assured me that it could happen anytime and I shouldn't delete the originals from photos submitted here, ever.

That's the smart way to handle it, though "forever" may be extreme :-) When you consider that all you need to keep is what you've ENTERED, not everything you shot, it's not that big a deal. Tanguera's right about that 2 weeks, as a rule, BUT it's conceivable something could come up later than that. I can't offhand think of an example since I've been SC except one time that we DQ'd a top-5 a few weeks after the challenge ended. Personally, I try to be proactive and request originals down the line if it looks like we MAY have a problem validating a top-5, so that helps.
06/02/2016 12:35:52 PM · #25
Originally posted by Skip:



Originally posted by sfalice:

And as a suggestion, along these lines, now that the entry sizes are larger,
and because it's imperative that all entries are taken within a certain time frame,
perhaps it's time to require that the EXIF data be included on all DPC Entries.

(maybe stirs up hornets nest, runs, hides...just in case)


i agree completely! i wish all the fields were mandatory. i hate looking at images here with no info in them. selfish and lazy, imho, considering that this is a learning site...


Post challenge I often go back and look for exif and find myself disappointed. I would love to see this requirement added.
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