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 10/11/2004 04:48:49 PM · #1
In my shot for Touch it seemed that a lot of the negative comments i got about focusing had to do with the fact that they did not scroll down all the way or did not look at the image for more than a half-second.



In that shot the Livestrong bracelet is in focus and the ball and hands are out of focus due to motion blur. I do realize that some people didn't like the fact that they were blurred in motion, but i still think that my image was voted down because of the fact that people did not scroll down to see the focal point of my image. At least help us all out and press f11 (for most browsers)

When the shots appear in challenges the title is on top pushing the image farther down on the screen. Suggestion: Perhaps we should put the titles under the image so that people will have to scroll down to see the title because that is how it appears in our folder afterwards anyways. I think that this would help us who want to use the full size to ensure we submit the best-looking product for DPC.

This idea of not seeing the full image scares me because now i feel that i should be inclined to either not submit a portrait oriented shot or that i should resize it to 580 to fit it fully in most screens but losing a lot of detail. So i ask of everyone to please scroll down to see the whole image, even if you don't see it for more than a second...at least see it in whole!

Thanks for your concern,
Lee

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Message edited by author 2004-10-11 16:51:17.
 10/11/2004 04:51:45 PM · #2
I agree! I had a few people in the Master's challenge say they didn't understand the L. They would have if they read the title.
 10/11/2004 04:54:43 PM · #3
Originally posted by Sonifo:
I agree! I had a few people in the Master's challenge say they didn't understand the L. They would have if they read the title.


Uhhuh!!! I think that this shot in Masters' suffered from this as well...

10/11/2004 05:09:24 PM · #4
Could always remove the voting option at the top and just have the one at the bottom with the comments box. Maybe that way people will realise they can leave comments too.
 10/11/2004 05:11:54 PM · #5
I can see it now, people voting before the page is done loading... we are such a microwave mentality now days... speaking of microwave... someone just burned some popcorn in the microwave here at work... that's a smell that's gonna linger!

-danny

Originally posted by moodville:
Could always remove the voting option at the top and just have the one at the bottom with the comments box. Maybe that way people will realise they can leave comments too.
10/11/2004 05:13:48 PM · #6
Originally posted by crabappl3:
I can see it now, people voting before the page is done loading...


People do that anyways...hey you webscript writers...is there an easy way to halt the voting box until the entire pic is loaded?
 10/11/2004 05:22:00 PM · #7
Tranquil, I didn't have a chance to vote during the "Touch" challenge so I just took a look at this now. To me it seems that the ball is out of focus due to the shallow depth of field (f2.2, and especially if using a long lens) rather than motion blur (1/160 should be enough to freeze this shot). The back of the ball and thumb seem to be on the same plane and in focus. Maybe greater DOF would have helped.
-John
 10/11/2004 05:25:43 PM · #8
Originally posted by dogz:
Tranquil, I didn't have a chance to vote during the "Touch" challenge so I just took a look at this now. To me it seems that the ball is out of focus due to the shallow depth of field (f2.2, and especially if using a long lens) rather than motion blur (1/160 should be enough to freeze this shot). The back of the ball and thumb seem to be on the same plane and in focus. Maybe greater DOF would have helped.
-John


THanks..and this could be true...but I'm just using it as an example...my second example from Masters' is probably more acceptable...

Btw it was 85mm
 10/11/2004 05:43:31 PM · #9
Originally posted by Tranquil:
People do that anyways...hey you webscript writers...is there an easy way to halt the voting box until the entire pic is loaded?

Yes, it is quite easy. onLoad() functions do not execute until all images are completely loaded (which is why the DPC menu bar sometimes takes forever to appear). You could even implement a delay of, say, 5 seconds, after the image is completely loaded before the "Voting Scale" would become active to help slow down the drive-by voters...
 10/11/2004 05:44:49 PM · #10
Excellent idea.... now go make it happen! :-D

-danny

Originally posted by EddyG:
Originally posted by Tranquil:
People do that anyways...hey you webscript writers...is there an easy way to halt the voting box until the entire pic is loaded?

Yes, it is quite easy. onLoad() functions do not execute until all images are completely loaded (which is why the DPC menu bar sometimes takes forever to appear). You could even implement a delay of, say, 5 seconds, after the image is completely loaded before the "Voting Scale" would become active to help slow down the drive-by voters...
10/11/2004 05:45:18 PM · #11
Thanks Eddy for your input. Maybe this can be brought up to D & L...i know they have a lot of stuff to work through but if this could be somewhere on the list? You can move this to website suggestions if you'd so wish. I'm glad we could address this problem though.

Originally posted by EddyG:
Originally posted by Tranquil:
People do that anyways...hey you webscript writers...is there an easy way to halt the voting box until the entire pic is loaded?

Yes, it is quite easy. onLoad() functions do not execute until all images are completely loaded (which is why the DPC menu bar sometimes takes forever to appear). You could even implement a delay of, say, 5 seconds, after the image is completely loaded before the "Voting Scale" would become active to help slow down the drive-by voters...
10/12/2004 07:06:15 AM · #12
just a bump for any other input
 10/12/2004 07:41:48 AM · #13
I just wanted to say thanks a million for the f11 thing! It always frustrated me that I couldn't see the whole image at once...

oh, and I agree with the suggestions...
 10/12/2004 07:59:01 AM · #14
The pause on the voting thing sounds like a good idea. But I would like to add that a previous site suggestion be considered which was the preloading the next image whilst voting on the current one. There are threads out there on this issue. If the intention is to slow down in one area to 'help' people make a more considered vote from the whole image then it has got so be sped up elsewhere. Based on the current No of entries in challenges it must be taking people about 4 hrs a week just to vote let alone type pertinent comments. Dragging this out would put people off voting. I am currently reluctant to vote on 'Parts' as there are so many entries. As I have seen from other comments this seems to be a common concern.
 10/12/2004 09:08:59 AM · #15
I left feedback for you on the photo.
 10/12/2004 06:14:44 PM · #16
Originally posted by luv2photo:
I left feedback for you on the photo.


Thanks and I understand...that probably wasn't the best example but it got my point across.
 10/12/2004 06:32:26 PM · #17
What if desat was used?
10/12/2004 06:55:32 PM · #18
Originally posted by faidoi:
What if desat was used?


It's an idea that i attempted to do but was unsuccessful for it was an open challenge and the yellow of the skin was too similar to that of the band.
 10/12/2004 07:11:06 PM · #19
Okay, I wouldn't have voted it a 4, but probably not over a 5 at what it is now.
1) It doesn't seem saturated enough, the hand is really pale with not much color, too yellow overall. I messed a bit with saturation, but nothing else and in the example below I still think it's too pale.

2) Try cropping to bring your subject into view. You easily could have brought attention to the bracelet much easier this way:


3) Maybe try a different exposure? The bright white of the skin and washed out side of the bracelet make it hard to see what it says.

As for scrolling down, yeah, it's a problem. Oh well...I know it's a problem, if the site fixes it, cool, if not I try to work with it.

Edit: As for the desaturation, by desaturating all channels 100% and yellow -16, I got this:

Maybe you could have reshot it with a different background or something to get rid of the other yellowish factors to make it more complete?

Message edited by author 2004-10-12 19:15:58.
 10/12/2004 07:17:04 PM · #20
Originally posted by Tranquil:
Originally posted by faidoi:
What if desat was used?


It's an idea that i attempted to do but was unsuccessful for it was an open challenge and the yellow of the skin was too similar to that of the band.


Actually you could have done it if you set it up correctly. Unfortunately you would've had to possibly ruin the band. If you used an airbrushed to paint it blue and desat the whole scene except the blue and played with the color range in Photoshop, you can change the color back to yellow.

As I moved from Elements to Ps7 I learned that I could've actually have entered this one instead of:

and it would possibly be basic legal and people might've scratch their heads thinking how I did it without selecting the band-aid and still taking the red out of my finger.
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