If you don't vote, you don't count.

Sony Sonnar FE 2.8 35mm ZA

06/01/2016 02:20:07 PM · #76

As I said in the thread I started, I have no reason to believe fewer challenges would mean more voters. I believe the biggest issue is people not voting on challenges they participate in. I haven't run numbers in the last week, but in the month prior to that only 1 challenge had greater than 60% of participants voting.

How about this...

Many people state that they find it difficult to vote on challenges they are in because they feel they might not be able to be objective. What if you were blocked from seeing your own score in a challenge until after you've voted? If you don't want to vote then you have to wait for the week no knowing how you're doing. You still get to play and not vote, there's just a price to be paid.

jagar

Samsung Galaxy S9/S9+

06/01/2016 02:27:46 PM · #77

Originally posted by JakeKurdsjuk:

I like that idea, you can't see your score if you don't vote a 100% in the challenge you are in.

Paul

Leica SL

Voigtlander Ultron 35mm f/1.7 Aspherical MF Wide Angle - Black

06/01/2016 02:35:49 PM · #78

Speaking as a member, I think that's a great idea.

pixelpig

Sony Alpha a55

Sony DT 1.8/50mm SAM

06/01/2016 02:49:26 PM · #79

Nothing was ever improved by more rules.

What's to keep me from keyboard voting as fast as possible just to get it over with? Are you in favor of disabling keyboard voting too?

[eta]
Or no wait let me think, you could bar people from entering any challenges at all if their voting numbers are wrong. People would be forced to vote without entering until the voting numbers were right. Then you could make another rule that if commenting numbers were too low, people would not be allowed to vote. You'd have to comment until your numbers were high enough to vote. Vote until your numbers were high enough to enter challenges. New members would have to comment and vote until their numbers were high enough to enter their first challenge. That would cut the number of entries down, making the comment/vote requirements easier to meet.

Message edited by author 2016-06-01 15:04:01.

PennyStreet

Olympus OM-D E-M1

Olympus 17mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko

06/01/2016 02:55:37 PM · #80

Originally posted by jagar:

Originally posted by JakeKurdsjuk:
As I said in the thread I started, I have no reason to believe fewer challenges would mean more voters. I believe the biggest issue is people not voting on challenges they participate in. I haven't run numbers in the last week, but in the month prior to that only 1 challenge had greater than 60% of participants voting.

How about this...

Many people state that they find it difficult to vote on challenges they are in because they feel they might not be able to be objective. What if you were blocked from seeing your own score in a challenge until after you've voted? If you don't want to vote then you have to wait for the week no knowing how you're doing. You still get to play and not vote, there's just a price to be paid.

I like that idea, you can't see your score if you don't vote a 100% in the challenge you are in.

Finally... YES... a great idea! But I'd say something a little less than 100% to allow for the person(s) who share images before voting and aren't comfortable voting on them thereafter.

06/01/2016 03:02:23 PM · #81

Originally posted by PennyStreet:

Originally posted by jagar:

Originally posted by JakeKurdsjuk:
As I said in the thread I started, I have no reason to believe fewer challenges would mean more voters. I believe the biggest issue is people not voting on challenges they participate in. I haven't run numbers in the last week, but in the month prior to that only 1 challenge had greater than 60% of participants voting.

How about this...

Many people state that they find it difficult to vote on challenges they are in because they feel they might not be able to be objective. What if you were blocked from seeing your own score in a challenge until after you've voted? If you don't want to vote then you have to wait for the week no knowing how you're doing. You still get to play and not vote, there's just a price to be paid.

I like that idea, you can't see your score if you don't vote a 100% in the challenge you are in.

Finally... YES... a great idea! But I'd say something a little less than 100% to allow for the person(s) who share images before voting and aren't comfortable voting on them thereafter.

Whatever threshold you need for your vote to count, though I believe even that is (IMO) ridiculously low. Voting on a minimum of 67% would work for me.

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 28-200mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED

06/01/2016 03:04:12 PM · #82

Originally posted by pixelpig:

Nothing was ever improved by more rules.

What's to keep me from keyboard voting as fast as possible just to get it over with? Are you in favor of disabling keyboard voting too?

Not sure what "keyboard voting" is, unless it's just a matter of giving everyone a score just to get it over with. I use my keyboard to vote all the time, I just connect it to my eyes first. ;)

I suspect exercises like that would either drive away a non-voter after a while (I'm OK with that), or make them take the extra couple of seconds to actually look at a photo (I'm OK with that too).

Message edited by author 2016-06-01 15:05:19.

pixelpig

Sony Alpha a55

Sony DT 1.8/50mm SAM

06/01/2016 03:09:36 PM · #83

Sharing images before entering/voting should be banned, as it gives an unfair advantage to people who have friends among the members, getting all that voter feedback in advance, thus allowing a favored few to vote (in a way) before voting begins for everyone else.

MeMex2

Nikon Z7II

06/01/2016 03:58:41 PM · #84

Jake, that's a good idea and worth a try. I also know that Johanna is right about 'you get out of this site what you put into it'.
If Langdon pulled the plug on DP tonight we would miss it terribly. How do you turn apathy and complacency around. Take it away
for a while until you really appreciate it? Dunno.

posthumous

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

06/01/2016 04:15:59 PM · #85

I don't like Jake's idea. For some people, it's a matter of principle not to vote in the same challenge they enter. I don't want to remove the most addictive aspect of the site to punish someone's principles. Anyone should be able to abstain from voting if they don't think they can be objective.

The only idea I've heard so far that I think is easy and gives immediate rewards is to allow non-members to vote on every challenge.

Still debating with myself on whether we should have fewer challenges...

Paul

Leica SL

Voigtlander Ultron 35mm f/1.7 Aspherical MF Wide Angle - Black

06/01/2016 04:59:24 PM · #86

Originally posted by posthumous:

I don't believe that's a tenable argument. 'Anyone should be able to abstain' includes the principle that 'everyone could abstain' - where would that leave us? We can't operate a peer review site without peer review.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

06/01/2016 05:11:32 PM · #87

When people feel they are being forced to do something they are unlikely to give forth their best effort. I suggest that it might be better to propose (metaphorically) more carrots and fewer cudgels ...

vawendy

Sony Alpha 1

Sony FE 200-600mm f/5.6-6.3 G OSS

06/01/2016 05:19:54 PM · #88

Originally posted by pixelpig:

It seems like the vast majority of people who play with feedback thread do not vote on those entries which they have seen before. I definitely do not vote on a photo if I have seen it prior to the challenge. So since I vote higher than the average, those people to whom I give feedback are actually at a disadvantage instead of an advantage, because they are missing out on a possibly high vote from me.

I think feedback threads are a wonderful learning tool, and that it should be encouraged. When dpl rolls around, so many people comment on how much they learn from their group. Why not do the same other times? Learn, explore, make friends, just dont vote if you've seen it in advance.

(Sorry for all typing mistakes. Bad day healing wise, so I'm just using my phone)

vawendy

Sony Alpha 1

Sony FE 200-600mm f/5.6-6.3 G OSS

06/01/2016 05:21:39 PM · #89

I do like the idea of opening the voting up to non-members. But I'm not sure if that should be on all challenges. Perhaps just in the free study, since that seems to hurt the most as far as voting goes

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

06/01/2016 05:29:41 PM · #90

Originally posted by vawendy:

I think feedback threads are a wonderful learning tool, and that it should be encouraged. When dpl rolls around, so many people comment on how much they learn from their group. Why not do the same other times? Learn, explore, make friends, just dont vote if you've seen it in advance.

Every time DPL rolls around I suggest that, after the season, people be able to continue to form "affinity groups" which function like the teams, with a private discussion thread, and automatic blocking from voting on each others' entries. Since one of the reasons cited for not voting is purportedly less-tan-inspiring entries, I'd think that any steps we could take to help people submit better photos would be welcome.

Remember that the mission statement of the site is to be a place where "... friends could teach ourselves to be better photographers ..."