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 05/31/2016 11:04:50 PM · #51
Originally posted by gipper11:

If you want voters then I suggest opening up the voting to members and nonmembers alike. Nonmembers, meaning nonpaying members should be able to cast their votes and make critiques the same as anyone else, maybe the voting would increase and the quality of the votes would also increase. That’s just my opinion, which probably doesn’t amount to a hill of beans.


People post here... wanting more votes.

This seems like the perfect answer to get more votes.

Allow ANY member (paid or otherwise) to vote on images.

Seems perfectly sensible to me.

Allowing any member to vote... seems reasonable. Restricting their entries... without paying more...

Seems like a shoe-in.

Let everyone vote!

Gee Golly.

05/31/2016 11:20:55 PM · #52
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by gipper11:
I've said this before and I'll say it again, the reason why you're seeing the same photos over and over is because of the timeframe allowed to take the photograph.

You can *say* it all you want, but we're a 'Challenge' site and we will remain one. It's just what we do.


Obviously you can and do read the comments such as this but are unwilling to listen or even take a poll to see what the entire membership thinks would make the site better and more interesting. I like your quote "it's just what we do " then why are there so many complaints?
 05/31/2016 11:27:05 PM · #53
Originally posted by salmiakki:
Originally posted by gipper11:


If you want voters then I suggest opening up the voting to members and nonmembers alike. Nonmembers, meaning nonpaying members should be able to cast their votes and make critiques the same as anyone else, maybe the voting would increase and the quality of the votes would also increase. That’s just my opinion, which probably doesn’t amount to a hill of beans.

Non Members can already vote in the open challenges - why should they get to vote in other challenges too? I don't think it would make a huge difference.

We actually need the people who enter the challenges to vote. All those folk who have received more votes than given means they are not actually giving any votes, but are expecting others to vote on their entries. Seems inequitable to me.


People with no skin in the game generally give more honest votes. Maybe letting them vote may encourage them to become paying members. Probably 25% of the paying members with entries in the contests don't vote right now, doesn't this make them free loaders.
05/31/2016 11:35:38 PM · #54

"People with no skin in the game generally give more honest votes."

This is proved, every challenge, by the "average vote given" vs the "average participant vote" given.

05/31/2016 11:37:13 PM · #55
did my damage...

you rated 59 of 59 entries (100%)

Message edited by author 2016-05-31 23:37:33.
 05/31/2016 11:42:02 PM · #56
Did mine, too.

You have rated 44 of 44 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 13 images (29%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 6.5909.

But... it's a valid point that people who don't enter vote higher than the participants (the folks who DO enter).

Just sayin'...

Carry on. *grin*

05/31/2016 11:43:05 PM · #57
Originally posted by gipper11:

People with no skin in the game generally give more honest votes. Maybe letting them vote may encourage them to become paying members. Probably 25% of the paying members with entries in the contests don't vote right now, doesn't this make them free loaders.

Absolutely!!
 05/31/2016 11:48:31 PM · #58
Originally posted by Lydia:

But... it's a valid point that people who don't enter vote higher than the participants (the folks who DO enter).


That's not a proven theory - it's true it happens in some cases and it may even be the majority of cases, but I don't think you can categorically state this as fact. My last four or five entries had higher scores from participants than non-participants. It would be interesting to look at the overall site figures for that stat (in case someone had time on their hands and knew how to extract the data).
 05/31/2016 11:49:48 PM · #59
I think that I get slightly higher votes from participants. For what's worth.
Not that I am in favor of anything.
 06/01/2016 12:03:22 AM · #60
Here's a really obnoxious idea that might put an end to the low voter problem, and probably put and end to the site as well...but
what happens if the rules are that if you are 'underwater' on your voting (you vote less than you receive) if you ribbon, you cannot accept it.
It automatically goes to the next person who has a balanced voting record. That may be a long way down the line but maybe people will
take a look at their contribution to the site and if they want to enter and win, then they have to hold up their end of the deal?

06/01/2016 12:10:24 AM · #61
Originally posted by MeMex2:
Here's a really obnoxious idea that might put an end to the low voter problem, and probably put and end to the site as well...but
what happens if the rules are that if you are 'underwater' on your voting (you vote less than you receive) if you ribbon, you cannot accept it.
It automatically goes to the next person who has a balanced voting record. That may be a long way down the line but maybe people will
take a look at their contribution to the site and if they want to enter and win, then they have to hold up their end of the deal?


That would not work for sure, there are many entries that should get low votes and some that should get fight votes, I see many sub standard entries that manage to get high votes and some really nice entries get ratings. Just ask any of the old timers here and they will not hesitate to tell you to go to Facebook if you are looking for ribbons and such because that's not what they're about here.
06/01/2016 12:29:08 AM · #62
Originally posted by gipper11:
Originally posted by MeMex2:
Here's a really obnoxious idea that might put an end to the low voter problem, and probably put and end to the site as well...but
what happens if the rules are that if you are 'underwater' on your voting (you vote less than you receive) if you ribbon, you cannot accept it.
It automatically goes to the next person who has a balanced voting record. That may be a long way down the line but maybe people will
take a look at their contribution to the site and if they want to enter and win, then they have to hold up their end of the deal?


That would not work for sure, there are many entries that should get low votes and some that should get fight votes, I see many sub standard entries that manage to get high votes and some really nice entries get ratings. Just ask any of the old timers here and they will not hesitate to tell you to go to Facebook if you are looking for ribbons and such because that's not what they're about here.


I don't think MeMex2 is referring to low voters as in the value of the votes (1-10), rather the volume of votes they give. Meaning, if you haven't participated to the voting you cannot win your ribbon.
 06/01/2016 12:30:17 AM · #63
This time I am not talking about low votes.

I am talking about your voting average, How many votes have you cast? How many votes have you received?
It is at the top of your profile page.

Have you cast more votes than you have received? If not, you are under water and cannot receive a ribbon.
I realize it will never fly here but it is one way of holding people who want to enter and receive ribbons accountable.

I said it was obnoxious and would probably end DP but I thought about it while I was watching Donald Trump on
the evening news.
06/01/2016 12:36:13 AM · #64
i don't actually want ribbons
i enter as much as i can
i vote as much as i can
i voted low on glass i did not like it
i enjoy dpc
i mark almost all the comments as helpful even if some are not
i don't think MeMex2 suggestion will work
i think Donald Trump is entertaining
i am not american

LOL

06/01/2016 12:36:47 AM · #65
Originally posted by MeMex2:
This time I am not talking about low votes.

I am talking about your voting average, How many votes have you cast? How many votes have you received?
It is at the top of your profile page.

Have you cast more votes than you have received? If not, you are under water and cannot receive a ribbon.
I realize it will never fly here but it is one way of holding people who want to enter and receive ribbons accountable.

I said it was obnoxious and would probably end DP but I thought about it while I was watching Donald Trump on
the evening news.


I misunderstood, I don't see much of a problem with that.
06/01/2016 01:15:21 AM · #66
Originally posted by Tiberius:
i don't actually want ribbons
i enter as much as i can
i vote as much as i can
i voted low on glass i did not like it
i enjoy dpc
i mark almost all the comments as helpful even if some are not
i don't think MeMex2 suggestion will work
i think Donald Trump is entertaining
i am not american

LOL

:)
 06/01/2016 01:15:57 AM · #67
Originally posted by MeMex2:
Have you cast more votes than you have received? If not, you are under water and cannot receive a ribbon.

This sets up a major mathematical problem, in that during a given challenge you cannot possible cast more votes than there are entries (less your own), while some dozens/hundreds/thousands of members might cast a vote on yours ... and this effect will compound if you want to accumulate these stats.
 06/01/2016 01:25:05 AM · #68
Originally posted by GeneralE:
This sets up a major mathematical problem, in that during a given challenge you cannot possible cast more votes than there are entries (less your own), while some dozens/hundreds/thousands of members might cast a vote on yours ... and this effect will compound if you want to accumulate these stats.

Yes, this doesn't compute fully, however, given the volume of voters vs entries at the current time, it's quite unlikely that you are receiving more votes than the number of entries in the challenge :) I still contend if youone has only given 10,000 votes and has received 50,000 votes, then chances are you one is not really pulling your one's weight in the vote giving process.

Message edited by author 2016-06-01 01:27:17.
 06/01/2016 01:34:26 AM · #69
The problem is that it sets up a simple avenue for significant vote manipulation. It would only take one concerted/organized effort to sabotage someone's stats for a long time, and hardly any if it was on a challenge-by-challenge basis -- simply get more people to vote on someone's entry than there are total entries and they can't possibly win a ribbon under the original proposal.

We have a long and proud tradition of not telling people how to vote, other than to vote consistently across all entries. I don't think that will change significantly.
 06/01/2016 07:53:37 AM · #70
Originally posted by Tiberius:
i don't actually want ribbons
i enter as much as i can
i vote as much as i can
i voted low on glass i did not like it
i enjoy dpc
i mark almost all the comments as helpful even if some are not
i don't think MeMex2 suggestion will work
i think Donald Trump is entertaining
i am not american

LOL


thats a yummy post, thanks
 06/01/2016 08:33:44 AM · #71
Originally posted by salmiakki:
[quote=Tiberius] i don't actually want ribbons
i enter as much as i can
i vote as much as i can
i voted low on glass i did not like it
i enjoy dpc
i mark almost all the comments as helpful even if some are not
i don't think MeMex2 suggestion will work
i think Donald Trump is entertaining
i am not american

LOL

:) [/quote

:-D
 06/01/2016 10:26:10 AM · #72
Challenges Entered: 445
Votes Cast: 59,022
Avg Vote Cast: 5.8916
Votes Received: 60,524
Avg Vote Received: 4.9776

I think we are what makes or breaks this site, because if for no other reason than you make or break it for yourself. How it's organized or run is more about keeping the site fair, dependable, & consistent. Site management is about the fence around the playground, the safety of the equipment, the rules fairly applied to all, but there are always bullies, cheaters, liars, & complainers in every game. I have always been impressed, intimidated, repelled & depressed by the amount of complaining that goes on here. My suggestion to improve this site is this: threads with complaints in them should be moved to the Rant section where they're easier to ignore.

Expecting the quality of photography here to be rated consistently high by everyone is unrealistic. That's not found anywhere in life, not in a classroom, not in a garden, not in a gallery, not anywhere. There's always only one or two standouts. I vote looking for the standouts. Sometimes I'm not sure if they stand out because they're only the best in that group, or if they are stand alone standouts.

I strive for personal greatness in photography, even though I'm not sure what that is. I can tell that the voters here are pretty sure what photographic greatness is, & it's not my work. But I still enter challenges from time to time. I keep on voting. I comment less and less as time goes by because I'm pretty sure I'm going to give the wrong kind of comment (the complainers say so).

But more than anything, the complaining on this site saps my strength & interest. Nobody's having any fun any more.
 06/01/2016 10:37:27 AM · #73
Originally posted by pixelpig:

Nobody's having any fun any more.


got it in 1
 06/01/2016 11:13:05 AM · #74
I have an extremely low votes made/votes received ratio. In the beginning I did not vote at all, being loath to assign numbers to things, most things. I do vote now, and I am still uneasy with it. However I have a high comments given/comments received ratio. It is the comments that make this site. For me.

People in general do what they can. I see no point in waving sticks.
 06/01/2016 01:43:16 PM · #75
We get out of this site what we put into it. Period. We want more votes, then vote more. We want more comments, then comment more. It just seems that everyone is waiting for someone else to do it first. Tweaking the site and mixing up the challenges is always a good idea, but it is not going to make people vote or comment more.

And Larry, I would just like to point out that in the numerous times you have suggested changing this site to allow legacy images, not a single other person has supported the idea in any way. That, even more than "this is who we are", is why we won't even discuss it.
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