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04/08/2016 08:28:42 PM · #176 |
Originally posted by grahamgator: I voted "No". Even though it is an inconvenience for some types of images, I truly do appreciate what I have learned from the exercise of getting it right in the camera. It has made me think about composition for images in ALL challenges and I feel has made me a better photographer. My two cents worth :) |
That's why I fought so hard in the beginning for the cropping. Because I always crop and compose in camera. And so it was frustrating when I couldn't do it on the type of photography that I enjoyed the most. But I switched the vote to no because it's another learning opportunity. If you can't get the shot you want, how do get a shot? It's not what you want. But do you just stop, out how do you adjust. I have a tendency to zoom quite close because I like studying the subject. But forcing me to look at things other than the way I want would be useful. You don't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get what you need. :D |
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04/09/2016 03:20:02 AM · #177 |
One could say that if cropping is "cheating" zooming is "cheating".
zooming will not make you a better photographer |
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04/09/2016 05:41:37 AM · #178 |
Can't we close the vote now before it gets boring? Oh, too late, it already has. |
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04/09/2016 06:12:11 AM · #179 |
Originally posted by Tiny: One could say that if cropping is "cheating" zooming is "cheating".
zooming will not make you a better photographer |
Wow.... for a "9 year old" - according to your profile - you sure are rather....... ummm........ ummm........ let's say opinionated?
Something that is more expected of an oldie like myself...... but in a young kid? Yikes... I wonder what you'll be like when you get to my age. ;-) |
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04/09/2016 08:20:46 AM · #180 |
probably insufferable :-) |
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04/09/2016 08:49:59 AM · #181 |
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04/09/2016 09:03:46 AM · #182 |
I,m sorry my age is not as my profile suggests, I am of course far younger.
I guess I am opinionated but I really like that you think I am and will treasure the moment.
I am also many other things and hope that we can build on this start to develop a lasting fruitful relationship.
I already am quite happy.
Thank you. |
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04/09/2016 09:06:21 AM · #183 |
Originally posted by undieyatch: Cropping is a sin. |
In camera / afterwards or both ? |
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04/09/2016 09:56:08 AM · #184 |
Originally posted by Tiny: Originally posted by undieyatch: Cropping is a sin. |
In camera / afterwards or both ? |
All photography that is other than a dome-like representation of th surface-bound hemisphere surrounding the camera is an abomination unto the truth. |
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04/09/2016 10:50:41 AM · #185 |
Exactly"......but who listens fact is fact |
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04/09/2016 01:52:35 PM · #186 |
I'm not sure where I heard this quote but I see it refer to the cropping issue in basic - "control can control you". |
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04/09/2016 02:26:33 PM · #187 |
Richard Avedon once said.... I think all art is about control - the encounter between control and the uncontrollable.
That's us! |
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04/09/2016 08:18:29 PM · #188 |
Regardless of the skillset an individual brings to a challenge, or to ones work, both expressive and technical, unadulterated aspect ratio suggests to me to be a primary consideration for basic/minimal submissions. My quote "control can control you" is probably attributed to Harvey Littleton, a glass artist, he also is noted for saying "Technique is cheap" - honest & interesting comments for a highly expressive and technical wizard, working with a volatile and uncontrollable subject material. Littleton is an artist most concerned with expression and a purity of technical input. This is at the least what is basic.
I want to see in a minimal challenge where Peter Voulkos thumb prints are seen on the slabs of the clay; I want to see the whole of Brady's plate; I want to see Jackson Pollock's drops, spatters & drips on the canvas meet the stretcher edge. |
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04/09/2016 08:43:04 PM · #189 |
Cropping cuts out the boring.
That's why we crop in the first place. |
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04/09/2016 09:15:32 PM · #190 |
Originally posted by nygold: Cropping cuts out the boring.
That's why we crop in the first place. |
Boring is relative. Art is not boring. |
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04/10/2016 01:15:30 PM · #191 |
Originally posted by nygold: Cropping cuts out the boring.
That's why we crop in the first place. |
There are some who might argue that having to take the time to align your target so that only those items of significance are showing is something that is worth learning.
Here is a suggestion, why not have a minimal challenge where cropping is forbidden, followed by another where it is allowed... that way both camps would be relatively happy.
Ray |
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04/10/2016 01:34:51 PM · #192 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
There are some who might argue that having to take the time to align your target so that only those items of significance are showing is something that is worth learning.
Here is a suggestion, why not have a minimal challenge where cropping is forbidden, followed by another where it is allowed... that way both camps would be relatively happy.
Ray |
Good idea, Ray.
I also agree, if you have to crop out the boring, you didn't get the shot right to begin with. Part of the joy of minimal challenges is to get it right first time, move your feet, step to the left, step right move back, pay attention to the background. Don't rely on the "oh well, I can crop that out later". It's lazy (ETA: In the context of minimal challenges - I'm all for cropping in the other editing rules)
Message edited by author 2016-04-10 14:23:23. |
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04/10/2016 02:30:39 PM · #193 |
Sometimes you just can't get to the spot you want to get in, in order to get the shot. It has nothing to do with being lazy.
What's wrong with having the option? You aren't forced to crop but some would like the option. |
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04/10/2016 02:41:43 PM · #194 |
Originally posted by nygold: Sometimes you just can't get to the spot you want to get in, in order to get the shot. It has nothing to do with being lazy.
What's wrong with having the option? You aren't forced to crop but some would like the option. |
We have that option with all the other editing rules. It is good to be forced back to the basics sometimes, even if it is frustrating, I guess it's a bit like reading a map instead of just listening to your navigation system, when you do it from time to time you really appreciate the technology but you also miss the logic. |
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04/10/2016 05:03:40 PM · #195 |
Originally posted by nygold: Sometimes you just can't get to the spot you want to get in, in order to get the shot. It has nothing to do with being lazy.
What's wrong with having the option? You aren't forced to crop but some would like the option. |
If you can't get the shot you want then one has the option of submitting the image they did take or simply not submitting a photo for that particular challenge.
How easy is that?
Ray |
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04/10/2016 05:35:38 PM · #196 |
[quote=nygold] Sometimes you just can't get to the spot you want to get in, in order to get the shot. It has nothing to do with being lazy.
What's wrong with having the option? You aren't forced to crop but some would like the option. [/quote
You have the option in every other rule set.
Think about it. |
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04/10/2016 05:35:49 PM · #197 |
With or without cropping, when do the new rules begin? |
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04/10/2016 08:50:26 PM · #198 |
Originally posted by MeMex2: With or without cropping, when do the new rules begin? |
We're not sure, hopefully very soon. Once we have them finalized, it's in the hands of the site administration camp; we're just moderators :-) |
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04/10/2016 09:09:04 PM · #199 |
Still voting for "No". Getting out of the comfort zone, seeing how close you can actually (Safely) get to the action/subject. It's very exhilarating. Even if the photo doesn't come out as well as you'd hope, you tried and stretched yourself. Thusly, improving ones overall skillset. Like a coach who pushes the athlete farther than the athlete even thought was possible but came out all a new. If we have one extreme, why not the other.
eta: Anyone remember when we couldn't clone out sensor dust in Basic? Kids these days ;) The amendment to that was the best one ever made.
Message edited by author 2016-04-10 21:12:54. |
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04/10/2016 09:58:07 PM · #200 |
Originally posted by nygold: Sometimes you just can't get to the spot you want to get in, in order to get the shot. It has nothing to do with being lazy.
What's wrong with having the option? You aren't forced to crop but some would like the option. |
+1
Sometimes a step forward or back will drop you over a cliff or under a bus. |
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