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12/13/2015 08:04:39 PM · #1
So I've been doing a lot of bike riding. I don't take my SLR with. I'd really like to take some pictures, but I hate point and shoots because of the delay.

Also, I've put soooo much money into my SLR, I really can't get away with an expensive point and shoot.

Do you have a recommendation for a cheap (under $300) point and shoot that has a viewfinder? (so many of them don't. But so many times I haven't a clue what I'm pointing my cell phone at, because it's just too bright outside).

I'd like it to have a good optical zoom, since I'm not a wide angle person.

In other words, I'm looking for the impossible!

Thanks!

(and, regarding my last camera question about waterproof ones, the olympus TG-4 was the winner!)
12/13/2015 08:41:31 PM · #2
Canon Powershot G series. I had a G11 until I did something stupid and lost it. Replaced it with an S90, which is almost the same guts, but no viewfinder and less external controls. The S90 fits it a jersey pocket more compactly, though the G11 did fit. Both shoot RAW. They do have more of a delay than a DSLR, however.

My usual biking camera now is my Olympus micro 4/3. Doesn't fit in a jersey pocket, but easily goes in a handlebar bag. DSLR like speed and a DSLR sized sensor (just a tad smaller than an APS-C)No viewfinder, but you can add an optional electronic one later on. I found mine at a pawn shop for $250 with the 14-42 and 42-150 lenses.

Message edited by author 2015-12-13 20:44:53.
12/14/2015 03:40:57 AM · #3
Canon Powershot G series, I use a G15 all the time and its a gem.
12/14/2015 06:11:26 AM · #4
Not really impossible

I just upgraded my point and shoot to the Canon Powershot 50hs and got for my Christmas gift... LOVE LOVE LOVE it.. I chose it over the 60, because the 60 boasted great huge numbers and after personally testing it out, it could not perform right. the 60 I thought it was not that great on image quality and it was really awful on the short sensors for the long end of the 1300mm, I was wondering how a small sensor could sport such huge numbers but it really can not, it does ok up to 1200mm... Another reason I did not choose the 60 was because there was more noise on it and the 50 had a higher ISO and better image quality. The numbers on those things were great but performance I would vote it a F, plus it was a few hundred dollars more.

I upgraded from the Sony Cybershot 200v, there is a 400v which I almost brought and that also goes to 1200 and does a great job, the only reason I chose the Canon 50 was because it too went to 1200mm AND it is the only point and shoot that I know of that shoots RAW.. I have not looked at the Olympus at all and I do not know if that shoots raw or not. but the 50 you have your jpg, raw+jpg and raw settings.

I have LOVED LOVE LOVED this... I would highly recommend it and here are some sample shots I took from it...
the 60 did go to 1300mm however, it was really really bad on the long end and the 1200 was less grainy

you have a choice between a viewfinder and the flip screen, you can even take selfies with it with the selfie stick hahaha
it went from 24 - 1200..

It is very close to my DLSR , what I love about it as well, it takes the macro raynox lenses, filters and you can even put a speedlight on it

I brought mine on adorama

It does show some grain on the long end I believe if I had it on a tripod it would be clearer yet, please note I did NOT edit these out and I DID NOT crop out the eagles at the 1200mm.. this was SOOC and shot in jpg..

I paid $350 for mine so if you are willing to pay 50$ more I would highly suggest it even though its not waterproof :)


And I know you love your bird shots as well it did great on tracking the birds :-)) I do have some bird shots but been so busy with my side business, I have not had time to develop my own photos yet.. but
I was pretty impressed with it coming from a point and shoot.

I also had to try it out for my macro stuff, it performed quite well, I added a 150 raynox lens on this and I was very desperate for some snow crystals because for some stupid reason our weather decided it wants to be 40 degrees at Christmas .... so I was digging in my freezer. It performed just as well as my expensive 100mm macro


Message edited by author 2015-12-14 06:49:03.
12/14/2015 06:39:03 AM · #5
The Canon 50hs does not seem very compact.

Have a look here

The TZ70 got my attention

Message edited by author 2015-12-14 06:40:54.
12/14/2015 06:44:24 AM · #6
No not really, LOL

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12/14/2015 01:50:06 PM · #7
Originally posted by vawendy:


(and, regarding my last camera question about waterproof ones, the olympus TG-4 was the winner!)


That's the primary purpose of my TG-4 and is actually what I bought it for. That's why I recommended it to you for underwater use...because it's also great for a pocketable point and shoot. However, it does not have the viewfinder that you require. I haven't had a problem on bright days yet, but I haven't tried it specifically on a bright day yet.
12/14/2015 01:57:33 PM · #8
Thanks for all the input! I didn't realize that the lumix tz70 had a viewfinder and wifi. That is really tempting!

And Yak, I got the TG-4 for my son, but I was wondering whether I should consider one just for my out of water purposes. When biking, it might be good having one that's crash proof!

12/14/2015 08:20:22 PM · #9
A micro 4/3 would fit your need nicely if you want DSLR image quality in a compacr camera body. And many have viewfinders options - EVFs works well too. But you can also try using the TG4 and see how you like that for yourself as well. Maybe all you'll need would be a second TG4 :)
12/14/2015 09:03:14 PM · #10
LX100. Not that compact and not within your budget but i would highly recommend it.
12/14/2015 09:26:35 PM · #11
Originally posted by Tiberius:

LX100. Not that compact and not within your budget but i would highly recommend it.


I'm considering that one; it is packed with stuff that appeals to me, not to mention that excellent lens. More versatile, if heavier than my Ricoh GR, with whom I have no quarrel except it keeps me at 28 mm. (Ricoh has the larger sensor, APSC vs 4/3; AND is almost half the weight). These are both class acts, I think. Spoilers, in the end, for lesser candidates.

eta: forgot IMPORTANT advantages of the Panny: its lens is not only wider (f24 vs f28) at its wide end but faster: 1.7 vs 2.8. AND it has image stabilisation; plus its little EVF, although the Ricoh has an optional optical VF, which I have and which I seem not to use.

Message edited by author 2015-12-14 22:37:49.
12/15/2015 03:28:53 PM · #12
Originally posted by Tiberius:

LX100. Not that compact and not within your budget but i would highly recommend it.


I had looked at that before, but couldn't swing it.

I think I'm going with the Lumix zs50 (which is the US version of tz70).

Stupid question: I'm a CF card user and haven't had to buy a card in years. What type/size SD card do you recommend? What speed? I'm not up on things anymore...
12/15/2015 04:01:59 PM · #13
Originally posted by vawendy:

Stupid question: I'm a CF card user and haven't had to buy a card in years. What type/size SD card do you recommend? What speed?

I'd look at the average size of the file the camera takes and buy cards which hold about 150-200 frames ... I also usually prefer to split storage between two (or more) cards rather than one gigantic one. I think unless you are shooting video or frequently in burst mode any card will probably be fast enough.

You will appreciate the lack of opportunity to bend a CF pin ...

PS: it is possible that some SanDisk cards will come with their recovery software.

Message edited by author 2015-12-15 16:03:18.
12/15/2015 06:43:19 PM · #14
Originally posted by vawendy:

Thanks for all the input! I didn't realize that the lumix tz70 had a viewfinder and wifi. That is really tempting!

And Yak, I got the TG-4 for my son, but I was wondering whether I should consider one just for my out of water purposes. When biking, it might be good having one that's crash proof!


The TG-4 is crush proof (220lbf), shockproof (7ft) as well, and has wifi built in.
12/15/2015 07:29:13 PM · #15
Originally posted by vawendy:

Stupid question: I'm a CF card user and haven't had to buy a card in years. What type/size SD card do you recommend? What speed? I'm not up on things anymore...

I've been buying 32Gb cards, which are under $20 now. Go with 16Gb if you are more comfortable with having your shots spread out among more memory cards.
12/15/2015 08:07:05 PM · #16
make sure you buy fast ones if you are interested in taking video as well. my lx100 won't write 4k on slow cards
12/15/2015 08:30:03 PM · #17
BTW, Wendy, you can also buy an adapter to allow you to use the cheaper SD cards in a camera made for CF's. It won't work with the older models like my Rebel XTi, but it works fine in the 50D, so should also work in your DSLR's.
SD to CF adapter
12/15/2015 11:26:45 PM · #18
I didn't think I was gonna be happy with SD cards, which was my only reluctance when buying the Sony a7r, but now I can't imagine what I was fussing about. They are cheaper, they are bulletproof, they perform great. Even the Canon 70D we held onto is using them now, so no more CF cards for me.
12/16/2015 01:15:13 AM · #19
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

I didn't think I was gonna be happy with SD cards, which was my only reluctance when buying the Sony a7r, but now I can't imagine what I was fussing about. They are cheaper, they are bulletproof, they perform great. Even the Canon 70D we held onto is using them now, so no more CF cards for me.


When i got my first SD card my worry was its too easy to loose this postage stamp size memory card. I didn't like the tiny size of it. But after years of using them, never lost any. But then i discovered micro-SD cards... Now those i loose while trying to insert in the device if they accidently slips out of my hand...
12/16/2015 10:13:47 PM · #20
Originally posted by MEJazz:

But then i discovered micro-SD cards... Now those i loose while trying to insert in the device if they accidently slips out of my hand...

My music recorder uses (up to) a 16GB card, and often the cheapest one on the shelf is a MicroSD ...
12/16/2015 10:33:27 PM · #21
Originally posted by GeneralE:

[quote=MEJazz]My music recorder uses (up to) a 16GB card, and often the cheapest one on the shelf is a MicroSD ...


That's where i needed to use a micro-sd card - in my digital music player. I have a 64GB one in there and once i inserted it, i have never taken it out. Just plug the player via USB cable to transfer files.
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