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12/12/2015 01:54:33 PM · #1 |
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12/12/2015 10:35:36 AM · #2 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Nothing to do with guns.
A thought or two: We have more (MUCH more) of a threat from people we live with and around now than from any potential "terrorist" - just think about how many people commit crimes every day, from simple burglaries to child molestation. If everyone stops to consider every possible form of harm that could befall them or their family, they'd have to build a wall around their home and never leave. There are FAR more good people than bad in the world. Walling out people, deporting people, banning people based on their religion - none of these things supports a healthy, safe society. In fact, it strengthens hate, prejudice, and fear, making that society far more susceptible to being overtaken or overthrown.
We certainly have an abundance of hate and fear, or at least the press and the interwebs would have us believe.
Go out. Say hello to someone you don't know - maybe even someone with a different skin color. Volunteer at a religious institution OTHER than the one to which you belong. Say hello to someone else you don't know. Donate time (or money if you're able) to a charity of your choosing that serves people where you live.
Quit living in fear and arguing about guns (they're here to stay) and go out, be positive, smile, be thankful. Live. |
This, my dear friend, is the post to read... thank you.
Message edited by Bear_Music - fixed quote. |
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12/12/2015 03:22:33 AM · #3 |
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12/12/2015 02:41:00 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Nothing to do with guns.
A thought or two: We have more (MUCH more) of a threat from people we live with and around now than from any potential "terrorist" - just think about how many people commit crimes every day, from simple burglaries to child molestation. If everyone stops to consider every possible form of harm that could befall them or their family, they'd have to build a wall around their home and never leave. There are FAR more good people than bad in the world. Walling out people, deporting people, banning people based on their religion - none of these things supports a healthy, safe society. In fact, it strengthens hate, prejudice, and fear, making that society far more susceptible to being overtaken or overthrown.
We certainly have an abundance of hate and fear, or at least the press and the interwebs would have us believe.
Go out. Say hello to someone you don't know - maybe even someone with a different skin color. Volunteer at a religious institution OTHER than the one to which you belong. Say hello to someone else you don't know. Donate time (or money if you're able) to a charity of your choosing that serves people where you live. |
Exactly.
Quit living in fear and arguing about guns (they're here to stay) and go out, be positive, smile, be thankful. Live.
Message edited by Bear_Music - fixed quote. |
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12/11/2015 07:16:21 PM · #5 |
I was just trying to help people be prepared for ONE of life's scary situations with a little training that might stick in their minds IF the unthinkable happens to them and there is a person trying to kill them in a public place.
Nothing more.
Other threads can help people with other life problems/life helps, I'm sure.
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12/11/2015 06:54:52 PM · #6 |
Nothing to do with guns.
A thought or two: We have more (MUCH more) of a threat from people we live with and around now than from any potential "terrorist" - just think about how many people commit crimes every day, from simple burglaries to child molestation. If everyone stops to consider every possible form of harm that could befall them or their family, they'd have to build a wall around their home and never leave. There are FAR more good people than bad in the world. Walling out people, deporting people, banning people based on their religion - none of these things supports a healthy, safe society. In fact, it strengthens hate, prejudice, and fear, making that society far more susceptible to being overtaken or overthrown.
We certainly have an abundance of hate and fear, or at least the press and the interwebs would have us believe.
Go out. Say hello to someone you don't know - maybe even someone with a different skin color. Volunteer at a religious institution OTHER than the one to which you belong. Say hello to someone else you don't know. Donate time (or money if you're able) to a charity of your choosing that serves people where you live.
Quit living in fear and arguing about guns (they're here to stay) and go out, be positive, smile, be thankful. Live. |
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12/10/2015 09:43:27 PM · #7 |
I wonder how many of those deaths were from illegal guns vs legal guns.
How many good meals were served with knives vs how many peeps died from knives...
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12/10/2015 08:21:57 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Kobba:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by bohemka:
Certainly less likely than a car crash while texting, but if you want to count fatalities (and who doesn't?!), more US citizens will lose their lives this year to guns than traffic fatalities. |
Just so amazingly wrong. Fact check dude.
There will be 3x as many traffic deaths, even if you include suicides and accidents with guns. |
Actually I think you should fact check.........here is a link to the CDC mortality rates for all injuries in 2013 (don't think 2014 data is available at this time, but I did not dig into the site and just used the fast stats section).
While he was not 100% correct, there were slightly more deaths in auto accidents then firearms in 2013:
- Auto Accidents: 33,804
- Firearms: 33,636 |
In fact I did, and my source, whatever it was cited just over 10k as the figure. Perhaps they weren't including anything but homicide. |
Well, total deaths, homicide, accident, whatever: In 2015, guns will be responsible for the loss of more US lives than automobiles. I don't doubt you didn't believe it at first. I didn't either. |
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12/10/2015 07:54:21 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Kobba:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by bohemka:
Certainly less likely than a car crash while texting, but if you want to count fatalities (and who doesn't?!), more US citizens will lose their lives this year to guns than traffic fatalities. |
Just so amazingly wrong. Fact check dude.
There will be 3x as many traffic deaths, even if you include suicides and accidents with guns. |
Actually I think you should fact check.........here is a link to the CDC mortality rates for all injuries in 2013 (don't think 2014 data is available at this time, but I did not dig into the site and just used the fast stats section).
While he was not 100% correct, there were slightly more deaths in auto accidents then firearms in 2013:
- Auto Accidents: 33,804
- Firearms: 33,636 |
In fact I did, and my source, whatever it was cited just over 10k as the figure. Perhaps they weren't including anything but homicide. |
Not sure about your source, but the CDC is the official source for mortality statistics in the United States. |
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12/10/2015 07:00:31 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by Cory:
... we should be addressing the societal issues the real culprit. Take away the guns and the knives, you've still done nothing to remove the motivation and social norms of violence that exist in this country. |
... or in our species ... :-(  |
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12/10/2015 06:56:20 PM · #11 |
We should all just think nice thoughts about others... especially others that are not like we are.
That will change the world... everyone just needs to get along with each other and treat each other with love.
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12/10/2015 06:36:14 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by Cory:
And there have been multiple incidents where an armed citizen stopped an active shooter... Thing is, the media generally avoid reporting on that because it doesn't fit the narrative they wish to promote.
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Are you suggesting that the media has a dog in this race and that they are anti guns.
If indeed gun ownership was the panacea that some would have us believe, then the USA should most definitely be the safest place in the world... how's that working out for you so far.
I am most definitely not an "anti-gun" person, but surely the various parties involved should be able to sit down and discuss what measures could be put in place to minimize this carnage.
Doing nothing most definitely will not solve the problem.
Ray |
Definitely. The media is biased as hell on almost every issue.
I wouldn't say that guns are the solution, that's just stupid, but I don't think a lack of guns is either. In fact I think the entire debate is useless, and we should be addressing the societal issues the real culprit. Take away the guns and the knives, you've still done nothing to remove the motivation and social norms of violence that exist in this country. |
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12/10/2015 06:33:10 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by Kobba:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by bohemka:
Certainly less likely than a car crash while texting, but if you want to count fatalities (and who doesn't?!), more US citizens will lose their lives this year to guns than traffic fatalities. |
Just so amazingly wrong. Fact check dude.
There will be 3x as many traffic deaths, even if you include suicides and accidents with guns. |
Actually I think you should fact check.........here is a link to the CDC mortality rates for all injuries in 2013 (don't think 2014 data is available at this time, but I did not dig into the site and just used the fast stats section).
While he was not 100% correct, there were slightly more deaths in auto accidents then firearms in 2013:
- Auto Accidents: 33,804
- Firearms: 33,636 |
In fact I did, and my source, whatever it was cited just over 10k as the figure. Perhaps they weren't including anything but homicide. |
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12/10/2015 02:09:01 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by Cory:
And there have been multiple incidents where an armed citizen stopped an active shooter... Thing is, the media generally avoid reporting on that because it doesn't fit the narrative they wish to promote.
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Are you suggesting that the media has a dog in this race and that they are anti guns.
If indeed gun ownership was the panacea that some would have us believe, then the USA should most definitely be the safest place in the world... how's that working out for you so far.
I am most definitely not an "anti-gun" person, but surely the various parties involved should be able to sit down and discuss what measures could be put in place to minimize this carnage.
Doing nothing most definitely will not solve the problem.
Ray |
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12/10/2015 02:04:34 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by bohemka:
Certainly less likely than a car crash while texting, but if you want to count fatalities (and who doesn't?!), more US citizens will lose their lives this year to guns than traffic fatalities. |
Just so amazingly wrong. Fact check dude.
There will be 3x as many traffic deaths, even if you include suicides and accidents with guns. |
Actually I think you should fact check.........here is a link to the CDC mortality rates for all injuries in 2013 (don't think 2014 data is available at this time, but I did not dig into the site and just used the fast stats section).
While he was not 100% correct, there were slightly more deaths in auto accidents then firearms in 2013:
- Auto Accidents: 33,804
- Firearms: 33,636 |
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12/10/2015 12:54:40 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by tate:
pretty much all guns are legal and easier to get than a fishing license.
Yet I have not heard of a civilian stopping a mass shooting yet. |
Wrong, lots of guns are not legal, or at least require a FFL.
Buying a gun, especially a handgun, is in fact harder than getting a fishing license.
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To make what you're saying true, we'll have to get rid of the gun show loophole. So let's do that and then you can truly win this argument. Everyone will be happy. |
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12/10/2015 12:17:17 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by bohemka:
Certainly less likely than a car crash while texting, but if you want to count fatalities (and who doesn't?!), more US citizens will lose their lives this year to guns than traffic fatalities. |
Just so amazingly wrong. Fact check dude.
There will be 3x as many traffic deaths, even if you include suicides and accidents with guns. |
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12/10/2015 11:49:49 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by tate:
pretty much all guns are legal and easier to get than a fishing license.
Yet I have not heard of a civilian stopping a mass shooting yet. |
Wrong, lots of guns are not legal, or at least require a FFL.
Buying a gun, especially a handgun, is in fact harder than getting a fishing license.
And there have been multiple incidents where an armed citizen stopped an active shooter... Thing is, the media generally avoid reporting on that because it doesn't fit the narrative they wish to promote.
//gunssavelives.net/self-defense/armed-citizen-in-tx-stops-shooting-spree-and-saves-cop-by-making-150-yard-shot-with-a-pistol/
Message edited by Bear_Music - parse link. |
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12/10/2015 11:43:48 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by Lydia:
Okay. I'm sorry that I posted this video here.
I only meant to help... even one... person.
Go for your own, folks.
Live long and prosper... Na Nu, Na Nu... and all of that.
Life. It's good... even when it's not.
For real. |
One has to anticipate that when they post something, not everyone in the audience will necessarily agree with the message being conveyed.
There is nothing wrong with people expressing their views both for and against anything being proffered.
The saddest comment about the current state of affairs is that we have to consider such things.
Ray |
So true, and so sad. |
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12/10/2015 08:31:00 AM · #20 |
I've always thought that if it was the societal norm that when someone presents a danger, everyone attacks them with whatever means they have at hand, these shooting incidents would be a lot shorter, and with fewer people killed.
Throw whatever you can get a hold of that you can - pencils, staplers, chairs - almost anything can be a weapon. The short story is that if the shooter is taken out, the incident is over. At very least, if the shooter is dodging various and sundry items, it is going to decrease their ability to aim (and to think).
The problem with running and hiding is that the problem (the active shooter(s)) has not been taken care of. Almost all of the shooting incidents recently have involved one or more shooters intent on finding a target.
Besides, the macho hero image of going out in a blaze of guns is a lot more romantic than being a buffoon taken out by a well-aimed stapler.
And no, I'm not talking about just one heroic individual making themselves the shooter's target. |
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12/09/2015 11:47:57 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
...I think that's incredibly foolish advice. Especially giving this kind of advice to people whom you have no idea how they will act in this kind of situation. All of the suggestions were given based on the ability of office people being able to maintain their cool in an the event of an attack. Having been around people, and not office workers, before around serious accidents and some dangerous situations, that's pretty uncommon in my experience. Most people freak or freeze. |
Surprisingly, that also includes some of the people that have firearms at their disposal. There is a monumental amount of difference between shooting at a target and confronting an intruder who is also armed.
Been there done that and have witness how some people react in such confrontations.
Ray |
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12/09/2015 08:51:12 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by Lydia:
Okay. I'm sorry that I posted this video here.
I only meant to help... even one... person.
Go for your own, folks.
Live long and prosper... Na Nu, Na Nu... and all of that.
Life. It's good... even when it's not.
For real. |
Nobody is questioning or refuting that your intentions were of anything but the best, Lydia.
I think everyone here knows you care.
Myself, and others were merely bemoaning that this is where we're going instead of doing something about the problem.
I do seriously question some of the advice given here........the last thing I would do is to initiate an attack on what is most likely an armed assailant, or assailants, on the other side of a door from me. I think that's incredibly foolish advice. Especially giving this kind of advice to people whom you have no idea how they will act in this kind of situation. All of the suggestions were given based on the ability of office people being able to maintain their cool in an the event of an attack. Having been around people, and not office workers, before around serious accidents and some dangerous situations, that's pretty uncommon in my experience. Most people freak or freeze.
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12/07/2015 10:35:40 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by tate:
As far as giving people tips on surviving a mass shooting; I don't see a problem with that. But as mentioned, statistics say something like this is far less likely than a car crash while texting. |
Certainly less likely than a car crash while texting, but if you want to count fatalities (and who doesn't?!), more US citizens will lose their lives this year to guns than traffic fatalities. |
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12/07/2015 08:10:19 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by tate:
pretty much all guns are legal and easier to get than a fishing license. |
If that's the case down thar in the good ol' US, then I'm even more glad that I don't live down there. Love visiting you guys on your turf, but I always find myself a little more on edge I'm when down there.
Up here last October, we had ourselves an, ahem, little bit of a shooting incident up on Parliament Hill. Thank gawd that thanks to stringent Canadian gun laws, the shooter was only able to arm himself with a pitifully ancient Winchester rifle and not, say, a sub-machine gun. Otherwise the outcome could have been much worse than it was.
At the height of his attack, he was only mere feet away from many politicians and had he had firepower, could have simply shot through the door and taken out quite a few politicians (ie our then-PM, Stephen Harper) and his caucus. |
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12/07/2015 02:53:03 PM · #25 |
Thank you Lydia for taking the time to post this. |
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