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10/07/2004 02:32:29 PM · #26
It may also bode well to not have date constraints for entries of the book/calander challenge. If we plan on mass marketing it, it would not benefit us to limit the selection pool.

Maybe we can ask each photographer to submit their favorite photograph from their portfolio. Sure, some of them would be recognized, but at least we could pick from the best.
10/07/2004 02:46:52 PM · #27
Great idea to do it for a charity.. i don't think anyone would mind the money going to a good cause, be great to see what the site council think about the ideas being trashed out her...
10/07/2004 02:53:52 PM · #28
Originally posted by dutch_dan:

Great idea to do it for a charity.. i don't think anyone would mind the money going to a good cause, be great to see what the site council think about the ideas being trashed out her...


Absolutely.
10/07/2004 03:07:51 PM · #29
Perhaps it would be most beneficial to select an organization that is relevant to the site. The first thing that comes to mind is the National Geographic Society. Which gives us a good excuse to run National Geographic II :). Perhaps make the challenge a month or two months long, to give people enough time to get the very best shot, but not long enough to draw it out.

We wouldn't have to limit ourselves to one charity either. Like, if we make one book for NGS, we could easily sometime in the future make one for a different organization (UNICEF or something). Just my thoughts.
10/07/2004 03:45:42 PM · #30
I think this is a fantastic idea. I could foresee a problem or two relating to unifomity, such as would everyone be required to shoot or crop to the same aspect (3x2, 5x4 etc..) and some type of standard among borders.

I'd definately buy a book if it was reasonably priced.
10/07/2004 03:46:02 PM · #31
I like the original Amnesty idea... one of my 'pet' charities.
10/07/2004 04:01:17 PM · #32
It's realy not a bad idea.
Help a good cause
Get more exposure to the site and DPCPrints
Get published (I like that :)

There are some realy creative people on this site who make amazing photo's I would buy the book without thinking...
10/07/2004 04:05:40 PM · #33
Before giving to any charity, it is always a good idea to research them for efficiency, salary paid to members, etc. One good place to start that research (for U.S. charities at least) is //www.charitynavigator.org

Message edited by author 2004-10-07 16:06:16.
10/07/2004 04:15:12 PM · #34
What sort of money would people be prepared to pay for a book $20,30,40
Does anyone have any idea as to how much production costs would be per book for a run of 500 for example...somebody have any experience in these matters?
10/07/2004 04:23:44 PM · #35
Since we're on the subject, I'd like a t-shirt with the dpchallenge logo on it. I guess I could take a picture of it, upload it and print it through dpc prints, but it wouldn't be an "official" dpc t-shirt = P
10/07/2004 04:38:35 PM · #36
Speaking of DPC books, I've always thought it would be cool to do a "Year In Review" type book that would highlight the top-5 entries in each challenge. With a sample layout something like this:

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With roughly two challenges every week, the book would need to be around 60 pages or so.

Message edited by author 2004-10-07 16:40:40.
10/07/2004 04:41:41 PM · #37
Originally posted by dutch_dan:

What sort of money would people be prepared to pay for a book $20,30,40
Does anyone have any idea as to how much production costs would be per book for a run of 500 for example...somebody have any experience in these matters?

Production cost on photo books is high and quality-control is difficult.

I do a lot of layout, and work for a commercial printer -- I could get ballpark printing estimates once the specs are determined -- we do short-run 4-color work, but are not the cheapest ...

Could save a lot of money if it was all B+W photos ...
10/07/2004 04:44:07 PM · #38
Originally posted by EddyG:

Speaking of DPC books, I've always thought it would be cool to do a "Year In Review" type book that would highlight the top-5 entries in each challenge. With a sample layout something like this ...

Excellent concept piece!

Need to get the header just a little further away from the margin : )
10/07/2004 04:45:43 PM · #39
Originally posted by EddyG:

Speaking of DPC books, I've always thought it would be cool to do a "Year In Review" type book that would highlight the top-5 entries in each challenge. With a sample layout something like this:

' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/8159/thumb/111111.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/8159/thumb/111111.jpg', '/') + 1) . '

With roughly two challenges every week, the book would need to be around 60 pages or so.


This sample layout is a lovely example of how it might look. Cool!
10/07/2004 05:01:35 PM · #40
Hey, shouldn't the pages be light gray?
10/07/2004 05:03:08 PM · #41
On Portrait mode Blue ribbon shots, the smaller 2nd - 5th could be run down the right side of the page instead of the top. :-)

-danny
10/07/2004 05:11:41 PM · #42
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Hey, shouldn't the pages be light gray?

Haha... I actually thought about that and decided it might look a little "dirty". Most photo books seem to be fine printed on white paper.

Originally posted by crabappl3:

On Portrait mode Blue ribbon shots, the smaller 2nd - 5th could be run down the right side of the page instead of the top.

That is exactly what I was thinking too! And for "visual interest", you could sometimes put the 2nd-5th shots at the bottom (on the facing page, for example.)
10/07/2004 05:18:15 PM · #43
Originally posted by EddyG:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Hey, shouldn't the pages be light gray?

Haha... I actually thought about that and decided it might look a little "dirty". Most photo books seem to be fine printed on white paper.

So true. What size pages at a minimum? (Hint: smaller = better)
I'll try and see how outrageous it would be to print it.

Remember if it's done by offset or "digital printing" rather than as photographic prints, there will usually be significant color-shifting as the gamut is changed from RGB to CMYK.

Message edited by author 2004-10-07 17:19:40.
10/07/2004 05:32:27 PM · #44
Nice layout, just as i was imagening it..
10/07/2004 05:51:38 PM · #45
Originally posted by GeneralE:

I'll try and see how outrageous it would be to print it.

Well, I just checked out Shutterfly, because I know they offer actual bound books, with leather, suede and satin covers starting at $29.99. This includes 10 pages (20 images), and $1.00 for each additional page. The limit is 50 pages, which wouldn't be enough to cover every DPC challenge. The pages are 8.75 x 11.25, which is a nice, large size. Still, that is $70 + shipping! (Quantity 1; not sure if there are quantity discounts.) The one good thing is that the quality would likely be excellent (if their calendars are any indication, which are really nice).
10/07/2004 06:02:22 PM · #46
Originally posted by EddyG:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

I'll try and see how outrageous it would be to print it.

Well, I just checked out Shutterfly, because I know they offer actual bound books, with leather, suede and satin covers starting at $29.99. This includes 10 pages (20 images), and $1.00 for each additional page. The limit is 50 pages, which wouldn't be enough to cover every DPC challenge. The pages are 8.75 x 11.25, which is a nice, large size. Still, that is $70 + shipping! (Quantity 1; not sure if there are quantity discounts.) The one good thing is that the quality would likely be excellent (if their calendars are any indication, which are really nice).

I'll try and get a price on a 64-page book (offset) for now. Probably less than $70.

Maybe the Open and Speed challenges could be 2 on a page and smaller than the member challenges. Or just make the best ones bigger and the rest smaller ...
10/07/2004 07:09:53 PM · #47
Here's another option for publisher... Lulu.com They seem to have good prices... book pricing example

-Dan
10/07/2004 09:25:12 PM · #48
wonder what the quality of those would be..
10/08/2004 12:09:16 AM · #49
Originally posted by dutch_dan:

wonder what the quality of those would be..


Don't know, but I'm sure I can get a sample... I have a friend that's worked there for a few years... besides, I might do something like this with pictures of the kids for my family.

-Dan
10/08/2004 06:08:05 AM · #50
I hope that this 'project' doesn't die a premature death, now that it at least seems feasable and some good ideas have been brought forward, like the layout which is very good and even the idea of getting it tied in with a charity. If people are serious maybe the council should apoint one of their members as a contact point for people with info and pricing etc unless someone else is in the bussiness already (when they're not on dpc) and is willing to lend a helping hand, i am sure anyone asked to help in any way, would, count me in for one, athough im not sure how much use i would be :-(
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