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11/16/2015 01:58:32 PM · #1
I am considering entering a photo contest where physical prizes are awarded. I want to enter an image that won a yellow ribbon on DPC some time ago.

The following language is in one of the entry rules,

" . . . photos which have been awarded a prize in another contest or those which are currently entered in another contest are not eligible."

Would a DPC ribbon make an image ineligible under this rule? Or does the price have to have monetary value?

I've also asked the contest sponsors, but they may not get the gist of what I am asking.
11/16/2015 02:01:15 PM · #2
I would consider a ribbon to be a prize. But a virtual one, after all we don't get shipped ribbons in the mail after winning or placing. SC is probably your best bet.
11/16/2015 02:13:32 PM · #3
On DPC, the virtual ribbon IS the "prize". Only the contest sponsors will be able to determine if they also consider it a prize.
11/16/2015 02:17:04 PM · #4
I'd consider a ribbon an award but not a prize. When I think of prize, I think of something of monetary value.
11/16/2015 03:08:35 PM · #5
Originally posted by Cuttooth:

I'd consider a ribbon an award but not a prize. When I think of prize, I think of something of monetary value.


I would agree.
11/16/2015 03:43:30 PM · #6
My personal feeling is that a DPC ribbon is not a prize, as a prize to me implies monetary value. That said, only the contest sponsors can make the determination. I think your asking them is definitely the right course. It would be a bugger if you won, only to be disqualified if/when your DOC ribbon came to light... much better to be up-front about it.
11/16/2015 03:50:04 PM · #7
Originally posted by Neil:

Originally posted by Cuttooth:

I'd consider a ribbon an award but not a prize. When I think of prize, I think of something of monetary value.


I would agree.


I third it.
11/16/2015 04:33:34 PM · #8
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11/16/2015 04:36:40 PM · #9
Recognition, but not a "prize".
11/16/2015 05:08:17 PM · #10
I say it's not.

I love 'em... but they're no prize. :D
11/16/2015 07:52:40 PM · #11
Prize = monetary value, something tangible. You're clean on that.
11/16/2015 10:36:11 PM · #12
While a ribbon may not be a "prize" it probably still goes against the spirit of the contest you are entering. I'm sure one of the reasons they do not want you to enter something that has already won a "prize" is that you have put it out into the world to be judged in an advanced and you are choosing it because it has previously done well.


Message edited by author 2015-11-16 22:38:41.
11/17/2015 12:48:21 AM · #13
it's a 21 on 30 pixel GIF image...that gives you a good feeling.

Message edited by author 2015-11-17 01:37:06.
11/17/2015 06:30:31 AM · #14
Originally posted by SEG:

While a ribbon may not be a "prize" it probably still goes against the spirit of the contest you are entering. I'm sure one of the reasons they do not want you to enter something that has already won a "prize" is that you have put it out into the world to be judged in an advanced and you are choosing it because it has previously done well.


I have to take exception to this only because it's something that's been brought up countless times and has to be an accepted part of participating in this place - scores here are based on absolutely nothing but the personal impression of the viewer at the time it was viewed. 1 thru 10 are arbitrary measures that can be based on the temperature of the room, time of day, amount of drink, and not on anything that has to do with actual photography as a rule (though many do judge that way). I'm long over that and accept it fully. But because of that I would say that winning a ribbon here, while a feel good ego boost, is the photographic equivalent of a husband telling a wife she doesn't look fat in that dress. The ruling may have an absolute parallel in reality, but the basis for the judgement is flawed when held up to those used in a true, measured assessment.

I love this place, and my statement is not meant to belittle any achievement here. I am only reasserting that every award here is a pat on the back from the community but not anything that should or frankly could be considered disqualifying criteria for the OP's contest. It is no more against the spirit of the contest than posting a group of images to your Facebook page and asking your friends which one you should enter. Otherwise I suspect that a Posthumous Blue may be as much a disqualifying factor as a first place ribbon.
11/17/2015 06:38:42 AM · #15
Here is their reply,

Dear Sir or Madam

Thank you for your inquiry.
Please allow us to reply as follows.

Any photo that has been recognized in a contest, for example even as an honorable mention, may not be entered into our contest, regardless of whether a physical prize has been presented or not.

We ask for your kind understanding and look forward to your participation.


Even if you don't win a ribbon, just place in the top 5, the image is ineligible.
11/17/2015 06:45:15 AM · #16
very clear answer
11/17/2015 06:55:27 AM · #17
Very clear answer, indeed. Still, I have to wonder if what we do here 3 times a week, 13-15 times a month would actually be considered as a "contest" as defined by most people. Perhaps the Open challenges, but the rest seem more like what happens at a photography club where everyone submits a photo and at the end of the night a group of winners are chosen. If you really want to enter the image I would ask the question again along those lines.
11/17/2015 08:40:02 AM · #18
So it does sound like a Posthumous ribbon would also dq you from their contest. Maybe even getting a comment... Ah, well, it is their contest.
11/17/2015 09:52:00 AM · #19
Maybe you can get a retro-active DQ? ;P

Originally posted by scarbrd:

Here is their reply,

Dear Sir or Madam

Thank you for your inquiry.
Please allow us to reply as follows.

Any photo that has been recognized in a contest, for example even as an honorable mention, may not be entered into our contest, regardless of whether a physical prize has been presented or not.

We ask for your kind understanding and look forward to your participation.


Even if you don't win a ribbon, just place in the top 5, the image is ineligible.
11/17/2015 10:17:14 AM · #20
Often, I have several similar images taken at the same time... If you have one, just enter another image... that's legal even here on DPC.
11/17/2015 10:19:31 AM · #21
I agree that the answer is very clear but it also sounds ridiculous to me. I hate it when sponsoring groups put rules in place that they cannot hope to enforce. Our state fair went more and more this direction - to the point that now they might as well say, "If your work is any good, please don't enter. We want to make people with mediocre work feel good."

Originally posted by scarbrd:

Here is their reply,

Dear Sir or Madam

Thank you for your inquiry.
Please allow us to reply as follows.

Any photo that has been recognized in a contest, for example even as an honorable mention, may not be entered into our contest, regardless of whether a physical prize has been presented or not.

We ask for your kind understanding and look forward to your participation.


Even if you don't win a ribbon, just place in the top 5, the image is ineligible.
11/17/2015 10:30:24 AM · #22
We definitely do not have contests, only challenges.

No Contest has such reverence for receiving the Brown, as our challenges have.

No contest allows for hours of fun between contestants, bickering about the correctness of the interpretation of the very rules that allowed you to enter before, during and after the fact; never mind having the rules changed .....

Submit with a clear conscience, I say.

If taken this far, then would it also disallow images accepted in 1x?
What about having "Likes" on facebook? hehe

11/17/2015 10:31:04 AM · #23
Originally posted by nam:

I agree that the answer is very clear but it also sounds ridiculous to me. I hate it when sponsoring groups put rules in place that they cannot hope to enforce. Our state fair went more and more this direction - to the point that now they might as well say, "If your work is any good, please don't enter. We want to make people with mediocre work feel good."

Originally posted by scarbrd:

Here is their reply,

Dear Sir or Madam

Thank you for your inquiry.
Please allow us to reply as follows.

Any photo that has been recognized in a contest, for example even as an honorable mention, may not be entered into our contest, regardless of whether a physical prize has been presented or not.

We ask for your kind understanding and look forward to your participation.


Even if you don't win a ribbon, just place in the top 5, the image is ineligible.


This is the sad true state of the world, well North America at least. If your too good you have to slack off to let the other get a chance to win. I agree. Everyone should put their best foot forward at all times and take the cristicism/critique and get better from it.
11/17/2015 10:37:17 AM · #24
I understand the arguments and only slightly agree with he majority it seems. Comparing Facebook likes and posthumous award is far from what we are doing here in challenges. There is no dislike button and no one to oppose the posthumous award. No matter how you look it the best photos are usually in the top and the worst in the bottom on this site. It's all subjective but at the end of the day a jury of your peers voted 1-10 on the photo.

I don't agree with the rules of the contest but they placed them and have spoken on it. Challenge yourself and enter something else or take a new photo. Isn't that how we get better anyway? Through constant new challenges?

If you continue to fight their rule you are essentially attempting to get a participation trophy and not challenge yourself because you've put the photo out into the world for peer review and know that it is a success and it doesn't matter the way in which the success is recognized. I'd be curious to know which photo it is. If it's you yellow in the best of 200x challenge then that hold even more weight considering it won vs the best of the best of that year.l on this site which voters here tend to be tougher on.

Message edited by author 2015-11-17 10:43:23.
11/17/2015 10:44:37 AM · #25
Great idea!

Originally posted by Lydia:

Often, I have several similar images taken at the same time... If you have one, just enter another image... that's legal even here on DPC.
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