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03/03/2003 03:52:46 PM · #1 |
| It's been nearly a month since this was announced, any updates? |
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02/10/2003 04:33:29 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Is the new feature will slow this site to a croll, do you have storage capabilites to handle all that??? |
Ye have little faith ;) We're taking performance into highest consideration, and we'll have enough storage to get us moving!
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02/10/2003 03:55:57 PM · #3 |
| Is the new feature will slow this site to a croll, do you have storage capabilites to handle all that??? |
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02/10/2003 11:30:22 AM · #4 |
I want profiles for their print process and paper. They should not and do not produce monitor profiles. That is what a monitor profile is for.
If you profile your monitor correctly, then you work in a known colour space (typically AdobeRGB). Your monitor profile shows you how much off
you are from that space, so that you are truely working in the AdobeRGB space. The printer/paper profile translates from that known space to the printer/paper space. It only requires at most two profiles from ezprints - one for gloss and one for matte. I've asked them for it before and they were going to provide them but had just moved labs. I was hoping dpchallenge asking might have more weight than a single user.
It is not true that monitors cannot be calibrated the same. Optical calibration units (spyders) do this all the time. A particular standard colour space does not change between monitors. You calibrate a monitor to show the colour space, not the other way around. Once you then have the monitor displaying correctly, all you have to do is to translate to the correct output colour space. I've had near perfect results printing this way on multiple ink jet printers and using local printer services. In none of those cases was the monitor calibrated for the output, it was calibrated for a known colour space that was then translated to the output space, using colour profiles.
While I can understand the problems they face with people using profiles incorrectly or trying to use colour management tools on a non-calibated system (Adobe Gamma doesn't really count), I don't think it should stop them from providing support for people that are going to use them properly. If you take that argument to its logical conclusion, they shouldn't print for anyone as they might have uploaded the wrong file or saved it incorrectly. It would be perfectly resonable to provide plenty of warnings/ disclaimers over incorrect use of profiles - but then still provide them for people who actually want correct output, and not play roulette.
While being from a company trying to sell a product, this intro to colour management is still a good description of the problem/ process/ issues.
Originally posted by Patella:
Gordon,
I've asked EZPrints about ICC profiles before. At one point in time they were planning on doing them. Now I'm trying to remember if I have their response to my request here or at home.... Quick search of my e-mails here and it appears the e-mail is at home.
Basically, (and this is from my memory so might be slightly off) they told me something along the lines that they won't do them because they simply can't create the number of profiles that would be needed to support every monitor out there.
This DOES make a great deal of sense. Even if they create an ICC for their printing system, they can't guarantee if you use it that what you see on screen will match what they print. Even if they created an ICC profile for ViewSonic PF790 monitors with their printer, they still can't guarantee that what you see will be what gets printed simply because no two monitors are ever calibrated exactly the same (except maybe by some fluke of nature).
I think the only way you CAN guarantee your colors are EXACTLY reproduced is like you've found -- go to the local print place, pull it up on their monitor (which BETTER be calibrated to their print system) and double check it on their system, making any tweaks necessary.
Or, you get the Spyder system, print their test prints through your print service, and calibrate your system based on their test prints....
Edited in: By the way, I'll try to remember to forward you the e-mail I got from them about the whole thing later tonight. |
Message edited by author 2003-02-10 11:48:46. |
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02/10/2003 10:55:06 AM · #5 |
Gordon,
I've asked EZPrints about ICC profiles before. At one point in time they were planning on doing them. Now I'm trying to remember if I have their response to my request here or at home.... Quick search of my e-mails here and it appears the e-mail is at home.
Basically, (and this is from my memory so might be slightly off) they told me something along the lines that they won't do them because they simply can't create the number of profiles that would be needed to support every monitor out there.
This DOES make a great deal of sense. Even if they create an ICC for their printing system, they can't guarantee if you use it that what you see on screen will match what they print. Even if they created an ICC profile for ViewSonic PF790 monitors with their printer, they still can't guarantee that what you see will be what gets printed simply because no two monitors are ever calibrated exactly the same (except maybe by some fluke of nature).
I think the only way you CAN guarantee your colors are EXACTLY reproduced is like you've found -- go to the local print place, pull it up on their monitor (which BETTER be calibrated to their print system) and double check it on their system, making any tweaks necessary.
Or, you get the Spyder system, print their test prints through your print service, and calibrate your system based on their test prints....
Edited in: By the way, I'll try to remember to forward you the e-mail I got from them about the whole thing later tonight.
Message edited by author 2003-02-10 10:55:51.
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02/10/2003 10:41:49 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
pretty please ? |
I was waiting until Monday to respond to you, as I've got to ask the printer! :)
Drew |
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02/10/2003 09:25:35 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
My biggest request : can we get ICC printer profiles please ? For both matte and glossy finishes - that would be wonderful!
I had a set of pictures done today at a local camera store - the first place I've found and the colour match is perfect, totally perfect. This is so much better than the variable guesstimates I've had with lots of online places - EZPrints is good but even their test prints make things difficult to get an accurate match. Please please please, ICC profiles! |
pretty please ? |
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02/10/2003 08:48:35 AM · #8 |
| coffee table book would be great like this. |
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02/10/2003 12:55:54 AM · #9 |
Your welcome...part of my lifelong experience with computers and systems is asking them to do things the designers hadn't considered, and then figuring out a way to make them do it anyway. Wish I had more knowledge of the systems you're using now...
I have a basic understanding of databases, but about 2 hours of practical experience with them, so don't let me disrupt your plans at this point.
In graphic arts, we consider the customer's mantra to be "Can't you just...?" so feel free to say when something's too much trouble! |
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02/10/2003 12:40:25 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
This would involve creating a "Copy To" button in addition to the "Move To" button, but it is a feature available at pBase, Ofoto, and I'd guess many other gallery sites. |
Copy's going to be pretty tough with the architecture we're using right now, but we'll keep it in mind.
Drew |
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02/09/2003 04:43:46 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by Morgan:
What about members who are outside of the USA?
How does that work - shipping, customs, duties, taxes, paperwork, currency exchange, etc.? |
We haven't gotten to coding shipping yet, but this is from our printer's site:
International shipping times and rates will vary upon location and products ordered. Rates will be calculated and displayed during your ordering process. International customers are responsible for all Duties and V.A.T. that may be added to the cost of your order upon receipt.
Originally posted by Morgan:
Will we be using that PayPal deal again? It was too annoying and too expensive for folks outside of the USA. As well, they have me on a mailing list and send me emails weekly - just what I need, more junk emails, what a joy. |
The new print buying and selling with not be using PayPal. As far as your junk e-mails, first I apologize for the inconvenience. Log into your PayPal account. Under 'My Account', click the 'Profile' tab. Then click 'Notifications'. You can adjust what e-mails you receive.
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02/09/2003 04:37:30 PM · #12 |
What about members who are outside of the USA?
How does that work - shipping, customs, duties, taxes, paperwork, currency exchange, etc.?
Will we be using that PayPal deal again? It was too annoying and too expensive for folks outside of the USA. As well, they have me on a mailing list and send me emails weekly - just what I need, more junk emails, what a joy. |
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02/09/2003 03:35:36 PM · #13 |
It feels good to be a member here!
Price on feeling good? Priceless!
YAHOO for Drew and Langdon! |
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02/09/2003 02:08:20 PM · #14 |
I just copied this from one of the other threads:
If this is database driven, can we have the ability to display the same photo in two (or more) portfolios, as is done with the galleries? This would involve creating a "Copy To" button in addition to the "Move To" button, but it is a feature available at pBase, Ofoto, and I'd guess many other gallery sites.
Also, how about having one site-wide portfolio which new visitors hit by default. Every member could contribute one photo, and they could be displayed in rotation or randomly. |
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02/09/2003 01:42:29 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
How about a 'wishlist' option for prints - sort of like your favorites. This is like Paul's 'hold' option, but with the added feature that anyone could buy them and ship them to you ? |
I think that's the route we're planning on taking :)
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02/09/2003 01:11:14 PM · #16 |
D&L
THANK-YOU. THANK-YOU. THANK-YOU.THANK-YOU.
THANK-YOU. THANK-YOU.
Great news, feature.
WOW
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02/09/2003 12:38:16 PM · #17 |
Dear DPC Gods!
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o)
It was just the next logical step for an AMAZING website!
Message edited by author 2003-02-09 12:42:24.
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02/09/2003 12:32:48 PM · #18 |
| How about a 'wishlist' option for prints - sort of like your favorites. This is like Paul's 'hold' option, but with the added feature that anyone could buy them and ship them to you ? |
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02/09/2003 12:06:15 PM · #19 |
I've thought so many times, 'Woo, I'd like that as a print'! :-)
Just wondering though, will you be able to ship prints abroad?
I have to admit, having a 'Buy Print Now' link below pics when I'm voting would be painfully tempting..
One thought - perhaps there could be an option to 'hold' prints until the user decides to have them shipped? This would be great if you wanted to save on shipping and receive half a dozen at once. |
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02/09/2003 11:55:58 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by achiral:
Drew, how about adding the ability to add template borders to our photos and also the ability to put a name and copyright stamp from a template on the site on the border of choice. |
That sounds like a good idea.
Bill (wackybill) |
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02/09/2003 11:40:17 AM · #21 |
| Drew, how about adding the ability to add template borders to our photos and also the ability to put a name and copyright stamp from a template on the site on the border of choice. |
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02/08/2003 11:12:08 PM · #22 |
| I hope you have a scheme to get rich and famous with all this work!!! |
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02/08/2003 10:58:40 PM · #23 |
| WOW!! Really neat stuff--Thanks Drew and Langdon!!! |
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02/08/2003 09:36:34 PM · #24 |
Drew and Langdon, thanks for all your efforts. I'm looking forward to the new feature.
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02/08/2003 08:31:59 PM · #25 |
thanks thanks thanks, this site is the most interactive site on the whole internet, i'm sure about it!
so, thanks for giving me, and all the other people, a change to compare ourselves to each other!
- vjoz |
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