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08/26/2015 12:26:09 PM · #51
Originally posted by EstimatedEyes:



Originally posted by Ann:

Originally posted by PapaBob:


the Mayor went on to be the national transportation secretary, pretty ironic


True dat!

That wasn't til around '95 right? Pena? Think he got there on the back of that shiny new be-tented airport out on the plains, when everyone was well greased and forgot what happend back in '82 :)


Yes, Pena was named transportation secretary in the 90's primarily on the basis of spending the last half of the '80's getting that ginormous airport 50 miles from town built (I hate that airport). But he originally won the '83 mayoral election on the back of the McNichols administration's mismanagement of snow removal in early '83.
08/26/2015 05:43:16 PM · #52
Originally posted by Ann:

Originally posted by EstimatedEyes:



Originally posted by Ann:

Originally posted by PapaBob:


the Mayor went on to be the national transportation secretary, pretty ironic


True dat!

That wasn't til around '95 right? Pena? Think he got there on the back of that shiny new be-tented airport out on the plains, when everyone was well greased and forgot what happend back in '82 :)


Yes, Pena was named transportation secretary in the 90's primarily on the basis of spending the last half of the '80's getting that ginormous airport 50 miles from town built (I hate that airport). But he originally won the '83 mayoral election on the back of the McNichols administration's mismanagement of snow removal in early '83.


Yes, and the airport that helped him rise to fame was way over budget and had so many issues when it opened. The state of the art baggage system was finally scrapped because it was such a failure. The sad thing is that it never seemed to hurt his political standings.
08/26/2015 06:10:17 PM · #53
Originally posted by PapaBob:

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Yes, and the airport that helped him rise to fame was way over budget and had so many issues when it opened. The state of the art baggage system was finally scrapped because it was such a failure. The sad thing is that it never seemed to hurt his political standings.


For anyone living in Denver, it is helpful to be aware of the unique conspiracy theories surrounding DIA. Maybe $2 billion over budget was a bargain for what it really is.
08/26/2015 06:48:09 PM · #54
Originally posted by hahn23:

Originally posted by PapaBob:

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Yes, and the airport that helped him rise to fame was way over budget and had so many issues when it opened. The state of the art baggage system was finally scrapped because it was such a failure. The sad thing is that it never seemed to hurt his political standings.


For anyone living in Denver, it is helpful to be aware of the unique conspiracy theories surrounding DIA. Maybe $2 billion over budget was a bargain for what it really is.


I was avoiding the conspiracy theories but yes it would explain a lot!
08/27/2015 10:25:41 AM · #55
I always figured they built that thing there because that's where the most politically connected people were going to make the most money on land speculation. Denver had a perfectly good airport in a really convenient location on the edge of town already. All DIA did was make flying in and out of Denver more expensive and time consuming. Before it was built, Denver was the second busiest airport in the country, after O'Hare. Immediately after it was built, airport traffic dropped significantly, because airlines didn't want to pay the high fees, and found alternative ways to get people across the country.

I like to contrast it to what San Diego did while I was living there. The city decided that their airport was too small, and, being right next to downtown, too many well connected people were bothered by airplane noise. So they spun up an "airport commission," a group of high powered and well connected San Diegans, to find alternative locations and make a recommendation. The commission spent the next 10 years looking at alternatives, including a binacional airport that would sit right on top of the Mexican border and serve both countries, and an airport 100 miles out into the desert that would be connected to the city by a mag-lev train. The conclusion they came to was that the only viable location was where the marine base is at Miramar, which was a) owned by the Marines, and b) very close to the homes of another group of well connected people. Both the Marines and the city refused, and the city told the airport commission to try again. The airport commission, however, said that they had spent ten years looking at every possible alternative, and there was no realistic alternative to Miramar. Then they disbanded, and the airport continues to sit exactly where it has always been.
08/27/2015 12:59:51 PM · #56
Originally posted by Ann:

I like to contrast it to what San Diego did while I was living there. The city decided that their airport was too small, and, being right next to downtown, too many well connected people were bothered by airplane noise. So they spun up an "airport commission," a group of high powered and well connected San Diegans, to find alternative locations and make a recommendation. The commission spent the next 10 years looking at alternatives, including a binacional airport that would sit right on top of the Mexican border and serve both countries, and an airport 100 miles out into the desert that would be connected to the city by a mag-lev train. The conclusion they came to was that the only viable location was where the marine base is at Miramar, which was a) owned by the Marines, and b) very close to the homes of another group of well connected people. Both the Marines and the city refused, and the city told the airport commission to try again. The airport commission, however, said that they had spent ten years looking at every possible alternative, and there was no realistic alternative to Miramar. Then they disbanded, and the airport continues to sit exactly where it has always been.

I love that airport :-) Just a 5-minute straight shot from where I lived. Heck, I could WALK to the airport if I wanted...
08/27/2015 02:36:33 PM · #57
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Ann:

I like to contrast it to what San Diego did while I was living there. The city decided that their airport was too small, and, being right next to downtown, too many well connected people were bothered by airplane noise. So they spun up an "airport commission," a group of high powered and well connected San Diegans, to find alternative locations and make a recommendation. The commission spent the next 10 years looking at alternatives, including a binacional airport that would sit right on top of the Mexican border and serve both countries, and an airport 100 miles out into the desert that would be connected to the city by a mag-lev train. The conclusion they came to was that the only viable location was where the marine base is at Miramar, which was a) owned by the Marines, and b) very close to the homes of another group of well connected people. Both the Marines and the city refused, and the city told the airport commission to try again. The airport commission, however, said that they had spent ten years looking at every possible alternative, and there was no realistic alternative to Miramar. Then they disbanded, and the airport continues to sit exactly where it has always been.

I love that airport :-) Just a 5-minute straight shot from where I lived. Heck, I could WALK to the airport if I wanted...

I remember that airport too. On a flight from SF to San Diego we had about a 5 minute window to land before the airport was fogged in and the flight would have been diverted back to LA. The pilot of that 727 turned the plane into a STOL aircraft and landed in one of the steepest descents I've ever experienced. Long time ago, PSA airlines.
Okay, back to Denver.
:)
08/27/2015 06:03:55 PM · #58
Originally posted by sfalice:

I remember that airport too. On a flight from SF to San Diego we had about a 5 minute window to land before the airport was fogged in and the flight would have been diverted back to LA. The pilot of that 727 turned the plane into a STOL aircraft and landed in one of the steepest descents I've ever experienced. Long time ago, PSA airlines.
Okay, back to Denver.
:)

Heck, that steep descent had nothing to do with any special circumstances: the planes fly right over downtown San Diego on their approach. That's why we don't have any real skyscrapers in San Diego, actually... FAA rules.
08/27/2015 09:16:19 PM · #59
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by sfalice:

I remember that airport too. On a flight from SF to San Diego we had about a 5 minute window to land before the airport was fogged in and the flight would have been diverted back to LA. The pilot of that 727 turned the plane into a STOL aircraft and landed in one of the steepest descents I've ever experienced. Long time ago, PSA airlines.
Okay, back to Denver.
:)

Heck, that steep descent had nothing to do with any special circumstances: the planes fly right over downtown San Diego on their approach. That's why we don't have any real skyscrapers in San Diego, actually... FAA rules.


Well the pilot said...but you're right. It was something like flying into the old Hong Kong airport where the scenery got a bit intimate.
08/29/2015 08:45:09 PM · #60
Wow, this sure has taken a left turn!!! LOL!!! Just got home from NC, boy is it cooler there by a mile!!! This week will be a busy one, working and packing Rochelle up. She and Rick will be leaving this next Sunday...I keep repeating..."I will be brave...I will be brave"!!! (mind you...I'll also have LOTS of Kleenex on hand!!)
08/29/2015 10:48:19 PM · #61
I recommend handkerchiefs, dear. So much classier :-)
08/29/2015 11:23:48 PM · #62
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

I recommend handkerchiefs, dear. So much classier :-)


BUT I'll have to WASH n IRON them!!!...sniff.
08/29/2015 11:56:46 PM · #63
Originally posted by Ja-9:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

I recommend handkerchiefs, dear. So much classier :-)


BUT I'll have to WASH n IRON them!!!...sniff.

Washing 'em is easy, just have a liddle mesh-baggy thing and dump em with the other washes. I don't iron mine, and neither should you. Unless they're hoity-toity hankies, which aren't the kind I'm talkin about here. No, I'm referring to genuine, man-sized, plain white, 100% cotton, stuff-em-in-your-jeans-pocket HONKERS!
09/06/2015 11:02:52 PM · #64
Well, they left this morning at 5 am. Tonight they are in Paducah, KY...(WHO THE HELL named that TOWN!!!) They will be stopping in Colby, KS tomorrow.

Rochelle's 26th BD is today...(quivering smile)
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