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07/15/2015 12:22:26 PM · #26
Originally posted by sfalice:


Now to figure out a way to foil their evil little plans?


ignore them?
07/15/2015 01:41:00 PM · #27
Originally posted by Mike:

Originally posted by sfalice:


Now to figure out a way to foil their evil little plans?


ignore them?

why ignore them when other people figure they can get even by "giving them a taste of their own medicine", which is impossible to do in an anonymous setting, so they just end up perpetuating the problem.

my score has risen, not as much as I'd like, but at least it's not in my "worst image ever" realm; which is saying something considering I've entered gems like these ' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/1000-1999/1675/120/Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_1045054.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/1000-1999/1675/120/Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_1045054.jpg', '/') + 1) . ' ' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/1000-1999/1690/120/Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_1049433.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/1000-1999/1690/120/Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_1049433.jpg', '/') + 1) . ' which have scored higher than my current image was holding at for a while
07/15/2015 01:54:12 PM · #28
Originally posted by Ecce_Signum:

Am guessing that the voting 'rules' don't get read/followed? With all the people posting low votes it can't be down to the quality of images?

taken from the voting 'rules'*

You should:

recommend an entry be reviewed for disqualification if you feel it violates any rule. To do this, use the "here if you suspect a rules violation". link on the image's voting page, and give your reason in the space provided. After submitting your requests, vote assuming the entry did not violate any rules.

You may not:


give an entry a lower score because you believe it violates the Challenge Rules.


* the words 'rules' and 'guidelines' both appear in the Challenge Rules section - misleading?


Fair dos. I will certainly not mark lower for this reason than. My apologies.
(Still not voted yet.)
07/15/2015 01:58:02 PM · #29
Originally posted by Ecce_Signum:

Am guessing that the voting 'rules' don't get read/followed? With all the people posting low votes it can't be down to the quality of images?

taken from the voting 'rules'*

You should:

recommend an entry be reviewed for disqualification if you feel it violates any rule. To do this, use the "here if you suspect a rules violation". link on the image's voting page, and give your reason in the space provided. After submitting your requests, vote assuming the entry did not violate any rules.

You may not:


give an entry a lower score because you believe it violates the Challenge Rules.


* the words 'rules' and 'guidelines' both appear in the Challenge Rules section - misleading?


THIS^^^^^^

...needs clarification and explanation. There's "violates the Challenge Rules", and there's DNMC and they are not the same.

I agree, if you believe an image violates the editing rules for the challenge then report it and either score it as if it's legal or don't vote on it at all. If it is legal, the vote counts, if it's not it just disappears with the DQ. But, if you feel the image does not meet the challenge criteria then that MUST factor into your vote.

Personally, in a quick pass I only find 3-5 that lapse into the Expert Editing arena. DNMC? Yeah, there are a "few" of them.

Message edited by author 2015-07-15 13:59:34.
07/15/2015 02:10:52 PM · #30
I have looked through all the entries but have not voted yet. Since a specific style was used as an example (Combophoto.squarespace), I was under the impression that this was the technique and guidelines we should use in designing our entry. It appears that a good many of the submissions did not follow these guidelines. I am therefore confused how to vote this challenge. There were many excellent submissions which did not mimic the style as indicated in the challenge description. I feel badly to rate these poorly in spite of the fact that they did not apparently follow the rules.
07/15/2015 02:21:07 PM · #31
This, "with or without a gutter/border between them. Parts of one image may overlap the other" conflicts, contradicts, etc, with the gallery example given in the description. The gallery had no overlapping or lack of gutters that I could see. So either the gallery should have been left out the the description, or the part about overlapping and no gutters. I know in the challenge suggestion thread, the gallery was the inspiration for the suggestion. People are going to vote how they are going to vote. Personally, I wanted to see photos cleverly butted up against each other, no overlapping, like in the example gallery...but that's just me.

Message edited by author 2015-07-15 14:21:27.
07/15/2015 02:29:28 PM · #32
It was stated in one of the threads that site referenced contained just one type of example. Challenge details (rules) read: Use two photographs and creatively arrange them side-by-side (horizontally OR vertically) to create an imaginative new scene. Mimicry doesn't really fit with 'creatively arrange' and 'imaginative new scene'. Nevertheless, top scores will probably be given to those copying someone else's idea.
07/15/2015 02:32:49 PM · #33
I rarely read the instructions that come with a new piece of technology until something goes wrong.

In voting on this one, it really pays to read the instructions. That said while almost anything is allowed under the rule as far as breaking the frame between the 2 images, how you award difficulty points in achieving a good result is your own business, as long as you understand how far you have to go to reach the DNMC if you use the challenge description as a guide and not just the title. R.T.F.M.

As far as what would constitute a rules violation on this one, I just don't see how you could judge that without seeing the originals. Vote like it is legal. The only time I have questioned the legality was of a beautiful shot that featured a full moon, when the moon had been 1/4 full and waning during the challenge week. I gave it a 7 and hit "Click here if you suspect a rules violation". Each click was a separate and distinct judgment.

Message edited by author 2015-07-15 14:42:00.
07/15/2015 03:02:07 PM · #34
It seems things got a bit confusing in the challenge thread itself. "Sprit of the challenge" thing mentioned. I didn't think puzzle type cutouts where allowed as this entered Expert Editing territory. Imagined this more of a diptych challenge (each image worked under Advanced Editing) but with the two images working together to create a play on perspective. I'm not sure if my score is low because the image is plain bad (which I think it is) or because voters think it was blended. Probably the two? So a comment would be nice. We've had confusing challenges before but this one probably takes the cake. Funny thing is, I almost suggested this challenge myself LOL. I've been following the #combophoto photographer for a while.
07/15/2015 03:15:56 PM · #35
Originally posted by RKT:

This, "with or without a gutter/border between them. Parts of one image may overlap the other" conflicts, contradicts, etc, with the gallery example given in the description. The gallery had no overlapping or lack of gutters that I could see. So either the gallery should have been left out the the description, or the part about overlapping and no gutters. . . .


I really agree with this - the two parts of the description conflict and one should absolutely not have to follow a forum thread to "get it right" in terms of a challenge. Plus the description was way too long so the critical part here - the part about overlapping - did not show in most views.

Still doesn't, for that matter.

So when you go to vote, you click on "Cast Votes" and up come the three current challenges. So you read:
Challenge: Side by Side
Type: Open Challenge Open Challenge
Rules: Advanced Editing
Voting Deadline: Tuesday, July 21st, 2015
Description: Use two photographs and creatively arrange them side-by-side (horizontally OR vertically) to create an imaginative new scene.

Here are some examples... //combophotos.squarespace.com/

Nothing else. Nothing about a special rule or flagged or overlapping. Nothing. So fine. You click "Vote in this Challenge". Now now many are going to read - again! - the description? We assume we've read it. We have our instructions. We have checked out the examples. We vote.

Now I won't do that because I've been following the forum thread and getting more distressed daily by all of this. I will do my best to sort out what should be two different challenges all jumbled up together and vote them as one. But that doesn't mean I have to like it LOL
07/15/2015 05:57:18 PM · #36
Originally posted by GolferDDS:

I have looked through all the entries but have not voted yet. Since a specific style was used as an example (Combophoto.squarespace), I was under the impression that this was the technique and guidelines we should use in designing our entry. It appears that a good many of the submissions did not follow these guidelines. I am therefore confused how to vote this challenge. There were many excellent submissions which did not mimic the style as indicated in the challenge description. I feel badly to rate these poorly in spite of the fact that they did not apparently follow the rules.


there was a whole discussion on this BEFORE the rollover. i suggest you, and anyone else, look here

//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=1299509

and i quote from the venerable SC rep Bear Music, post #42

"Because past experience with diptych challenges tells us that people WILL want to do this sort of thing, and because unless we put SOME sort of special rule in forbidding it, it would be legal. So we just clarified that yes, it's legal. The "example website" is just one guy's idea of how to do this stuff. It's not part of the rules in any way."

and do not forget the Extra Rule... that parts of the image MAY overlap
07/15/2015 06:03:42 PM · #37
Originally posted by nam:

Nothing about a special rule or flagged or overlapping. Nothing.

That's not correct. There's a nice, bright yellow flag waving there to warn people "There's more to this than you think! Read the Flag!"
07/15/2015 06:12:18 PM · #38
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by nam:

Nothing about a special rule or flagged or overlapping. Nothing.

That's not correct. There's a nice, bright yellow flag waving there to warn people "There's more to this than you think! Read the Flag!"


ha! maybe Langdon needs to work some flashing animated gifs into the website coding so the flag can wave?? ;-)
07/15/2015 06:12:46 PM · #39
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by nam:

Nothing about a special rule or flagged or overlapping. Nothing.

That's not correct. There's a nice, bright yellow flag waving there to warn people "There's more to this than you think! Read the Flag!"


Learning that everything you need to know about a challenge, particularly one with a flag, is not available from the main page (even if you click on "More"), but you MUST click through to the challenge page (where you would enter you image) in order to get EVERYTHING, is a lesson everyone here learns the hard way. Some, like me, have to relearn it every once in a while.

That the full description, including the flag portion, can't be displayed when "more" is clicked is something I continue to take issue with, but it is what it is, so if you see a flag then click through.

The thing is, when you see the flag sometimes it's just there to remind you that it's not an Advanced Editing challenge (as with "Crooked"), so it would be great if in the description of flagged challenges that something as simple as "Add'l Rules Apply" could be tacked on to the end. But again, it is what it is.
07/15/2015 06:22:29 PM · #40
even with all the bellyaching, i really hope we do this challenge again soon, once with a "no overlapping" rule, and again with Expert Editing with maybe a few restrictions like you cannot cut out the entire background of one of the images.

maybe even do an all out variant called "Chimera" or "Hybrid"
07/15/2015 06:53:21 PM · #41
Ah yes! I saw the yellow flag. I usually just click "more" to read the rest of the description and then directed myself to the portfolio link in it.

Thought to myself oh the yellow flag is because we can combine two images and just went from there. As that description is "Use two photographs and creatively arrange them side-by-side (horizontally OR vertically) to create an imaginative new scene. Here are some examples... //combophotos.squarespace.com"

Bad habit. Lesson learnt. If one sees a flag, clicking the title for a full outline... The full description (above) + extra flag rules: "You MUST use two images. They may be juxtaposed horizontally or vertically, with or without a gutter/border between them. Parts of one image may overlap the other."

So it's clear as day now. I could've saved myself so much stress in getting the edit right! Which ended up ugly wrong (in just choosing a shot that wasn't pretty but) anyway. LOL oh my. Live and learn. No real harm done.

Message edited by author 2015-07-15 18:57:21.
07/15/2015 06:54:17 PM · #42
Originally posted by mefnj:

Originally posted by GolferDDS:

I have looked through all the entries but have not voted yet. Since a specific style was used as an example (Combophoto.squarespace), I was under the impression that this was the technique and guidelines we should use in designing our entry. It appears that a good many of the submissions did not follow these guidelines. I am therefore confused how to vote this challenge. There were many excellent submissions which did not mimic the style as indicated in the challenge description. I feel badly to rate these poorly in spite of the fact that they did not apparently follow the rules.


there was a whole discussion on this BEFORE the rollover. i suggest you, and anyone else, look here

//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=1299509

and i quote from the venerable SC rep Bear Music, post #42

"Because past experience with diptych challenges tells us that people WILL want to do this sort of thing, and because unless we put SOME sort of special rule in forbidding it, it would be legal. So we just clarified that yes, it's legal. The "example website" is just one guy's idea of how to do this stuff. It's not part of the rules in any way."

and do not forget the Extra Rule... that parts of the image MAY overlap


You really can't expect people to read all the threads about challenges before hand, even if we do have time to read them in the first place. I generally try to avoid challenge discussion threads, because they are usually people trying to put the challenges in very specific boxes.
07/15/2015 07:09:12 PM · #43
Before you can submit an entry, you must check a box stating that you've read the challenge rules, "including any Extra Rules listed above" ... it's about time that people discovered that checking-off that you agree with something without reading it is not a good idea, especially when it's one measly paragraph written in relatively non-legalistic US English ... and that actually reading (all the rules) the rules before entering can be pretty important too.

Is this a good place to remind people to check that the date and time on their camera is accurately-set to their local time?
07/15/2015 07:09:15 PM · #44
Not wishing to quibble - it is too late for that anyway, it does seem very odd to me to have allowed the overlapping. I mean what if they overlapped entirely? That would be layering to achieve a double exposure in post, way beyond the sense of the challenge. Or am I missing something? Excruciating to say, but Where do we draw the line haha?
07/15/2015 07:13:37 PM · #45
I believe that "overlapping" in this case means that there doesn't have to be a straight-line demarcation between the two images, not that part of one image can be "blended" with the other to achieve a double-exposure effect; the overlapping element would have to completely obscure the underlying (second) image.

Message edited by author 2015-07-15 19:14:00.
07/15/2015 07:29:05 PM · #46
you mean they could fit together like a jigsaw puzzle? that would be interlaced, not overlapped, I think.

Message edited by author 2015-07-15 19:30:47.
07/15/2015 07:35:35 PM · #47
The one part of the rules that I'm being a stickler on is "horizontal OR vertical". If the line's tilted, that's DNMC for sure, regardless of the zigging and zagging of your overlays.
07/15/2015 07:36:02 PM · #48
Originally posted by tnun:

Not wishing to quibble - it is too late for that anyway, it does seem very odd to me to have allowed the overlapping. I mean what if they overlapped entirely? That would be layering to achieve a double exposure in post, way beyond the sense of the challenge. Or am I missing something? Excruciating to say, but Where do we draw the line haha?


why didn't I think of that sooner?
07/15/2015 07:42:02 PM · #49
Y'all just can't resist imposing your interpretation on everyone else, can you ... :-(
07/15/2015 07:44:14 PM · #50
Originally posted by backdoorhippie:


But, if you feel the image does not meet the challenge criteria then that MUST factor into your vote.



It not MUST anything... people can vote as they wish... if I see an image that borders on meeting the challenge, but I LOVE the image, I vote it what I see.
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