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07/13/2015 09:38:36 AM · #1
we have one, now its only fair to give equal opportunity to the other.
07/13/2015 10:23:04 AM · #2
Equal opportunity? This isn't Canada, Mike... ;-p
07/13/2015 10:32:55 AM · #3
If it must be done can we do them both this week instead of the playoffs?!
07/13/2015 10:36:52 AM · #4
Originally posted by backdoorhippie:

If it must be done can we do them both this week instead of the playoffs?!


One doesn't require the other.

Minimal is about photography talent, which is what the DPL should be about.

Expert is about digital editing talent (starting with great photos sure), but should not be included in the DPL.

My one vote.
07/13/2015 10:37:19 AM · #5
I'm a fan of the occasional minimal editing challenge. I'm not against an Expert challenge for DPL, but IMHO Minimal is more in the spirit of the site and levels the playing field moreso that Expert would.
07/13/2015 11:02:10 AM · #6
As far as I'm concerned, the Side by Side has pretty much evolved into an expert editing challenge. Let's hope that's it for the regular season.
07/13/2015 11:07:13 AM · #7
do it Tuesday or do it next sunday
07/13/2015 11:57:39 AM · #8
Originally posted by nam:

As far as I'm concerned, the Side by Side has pretty much evolved into an expert editing challenge. Let's hope that's it for the regular season.

I don't read every forum thread. What do you mean? Was something officially announced? I understand the Side-by-side challenge is Advanced editing with a specific special rule. Were other things added for a few?
07/13/2015 12:13:16 PM · #9
no, i think not ^
07/13/2015 12:45:36 PM · #10
Originally posted by hahn23:

Originally posted by nam:

As far as I'm concerned, the Side by Side has pretty much evolved into an expert editing challenge. Let's hope that's it for the regular season.

I don't read every forum thread. What do you mean? Was something officially announced? I understand the Side-by-side challenge is Advanced editing with a specific special rule. Were other things added for a few?


I would read this thread, Richard. No, you can't do excessive cloning or add stuff from lots of images, but the part about allowing one photo to "reach" into the other requires the kind of editing that goes right along with Expert IMO. I don't think I'll take advantage of it, but I think there will be quite a few entries that are not just side by sides or one on top of the other.
Side by Side
07/13/2015 12:52:21 PM · #11
that would be a dq if that occurred. the side by side challenge is just lining up two distinct images creatively.
07/13/2015 01:35:28 PM · #12
Originally posted by Mike:

that would be a dq if that occurred. the side by side challenge is just lining up two distinct images creatively.


Not pet Bear's reply in the thread and the ArtROFLMAO photo referenced. You have two images and can use layer masking.
07/13/2015 02:07:29 PM · #13
Originally posted by Mike:

that would be a dq if that occurred. the side by side challenge is just lining up two distinct images creatively.

Originally posted by Flagged Rule For This Challenge:

Extra Rules: You MUST use two images. They may be juxtaposed horizontally or vertically, with or without a gutter/border between them. Parts of one image may overlap the other.
07/13/2015 02:21:55 PM · #14
Originally posted by klkitchens:

Originally posted by Mike:

that would be a dq if that occurred. the side by side challenge is just lining up two distinct images creatively.


Not pet Bear's reply in the thread and the ArtROFLMAO photo referenced. You have two images and can use layer masking.


Therein lies the rub, imho those (currently me included) that 'blur' the distinct images are going to find their image is a point or 2 below it's anticipated resting place as not everybody bothers to fully read the challenge description or thread :(
07/13/2015 02:42:57 PM · #15
Originally posted by Ecce_Signum:

Originally posted by klkitchens:

Originally posted by Mike:

that would be a dq if that occurred. the side by side challenge is just lining up two distinct images creatively.


Not pet Bear's reply in the thread and the ArtROFLMAO photo referenced. You have two images and can use layer masking.


Therein lies the rub, imho those (currently me included) that 'blur' the distinct images are going to find their image is a point or 2 below it's anticipated resting place as not everybody bothers to fully read the challenge description or thread :(


Well there is that.
07/13/2015 03:26:24 PM · #16
side by side still isn't expert, its worse. its a mish mash of rules.
07/13/2015 04:49:54 PM · #17
Originally posted by Mike:

side by side still isn't expert, its worse. its a mish mash of rules.


Kind of the equivalent of minimal but allowing crop and rotate.
07/13/2015 04:54:45 PM · #18
Originally posted by klkitchens:


Minimal is about photography talent, which is what the DPL should be about.


Opinions differ, photography has rarely ever only been about what you capture in camera.
07/13/2015 05:08:02 PM · #19
Originally posted by FromDaRock:

Originally posted by klkitchens:


Minimal is about photography talent, which is what the DPL should be about.


Opinions differ, photography has rarely ever only been about what you capture in camera.


Yep... my comment DNMC.
07/13/2015 06:13:22 PM · #20
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Mike:

that would be a dq if that occurred. the side by side challenge is just lining up two distinct images creatively.

Originally posted by Flagged Rule For This Challenge:

Extra Rules: You MUST use two images. They may be juxtaposed horizontally or vertically, with or without a gutter/border between them. Parts of one image may overlap the other.


Whoa... Parts? So we can mask out stuff from one to get it to fit with another? That does seem more expert editing and kinda defeats the purpose of the side by side. I thought the whole idea was to do something photoshoppish without the photoshopping. This takes away a lot of the difficulty.
07/13/2015 06:29:17 PM · #21
Once a challenge is announced, the specific editing ruleset understood and extra rules clear, then special interpretations and rules revisions should halt. Okay to make things better for the next time, but it really hurts those who prepared an image two days ago, based on the official proclamations. Furthermore, it's not reasonable to expect all members to read every forum thread. Especially when there is league play in process, it's not fair to alter rules midstream in obscure forum threads.

Message edited by author 2015-07-13 18:29:56.
07/13/2015 06:48:08 PM · #22
Originally posted by hahn23:

Once a challenge is announced, the specific editing ruleset understood and extra rules clear, then special interpretations and rules revisions should halt. Okay to make things better for the next time, but it really hurts those who prepared an image two days ago, based on the official proclamations. Furthermore, it's not reasonable to expect all members to read every forum thread. Especially when there is league play in process, it's not fair to alter rules midstream in obscure forum threads.


I don't think they were altered. I think they were just explored and explained. There's no reason to question if things are crystal clear. So while I wish it was just straight edge against straight edge, I think it's better to ask the questions when things are as clear as mud. :)
07/13/2015 06:48:15 PM · #23
Originally posted by hahn23:

Once a challenge is announced, the specific editing ruleset understood and extra rules clear, then special interpretations and rules revisions should halt. Okay to make things better for the next time, but it really hurts those who prepared an image two days ago, based on the official proclamations. Furthermore, it's not reasonable to expect all members to read every forum thread. Especially when there is league play in process, it's not fair to alter rules midstream in obscure forum threads.

We haven't altered a thing, the challenge is exactly as it was posted, and will remain so. The only thing we did is to make the link in the flagged rules clickable.
07/13/2015 06:50:46 PM · #24
Originally posted by vawendy:

So while I wish it was just straight edge against straight edge, I think it's better to ask the questions when things are as clear as mud. :)

How is this NOT clear? How much clearer could we be?

Originally posted by Flagged Rule For This Challenge:

Extra Rules: You MUST use two images. They may be juxtaposed horizontally or vertically, with or without a gutter/border between them. Parts of one image may overlap the other.
07/13/2015 06:54:27 PM · #25
Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Mike:

that would be a dq if that occurred. the side by side challenge is just lining up two distinct images creatively.

Originally posted by Flagged Rule For This Challenge:

Extra Rules: You MUST use two images. They may be juxtaposed horizontally or vertically, with or without a gutter/border between them. Parts of one image may overlap the other.


Whoa... Parts? So we can mask out stuff from one to get it to fit with another? That does seem more expert editing and kinda defeats the purpose of the side by side. I thought the whole idea was to do something photoshoppish without the photoshopping. This takes away a lot of the difficulty.


I sure couldn't figure out how to do this without photoshop.... I'm getting a crash course in layers which is a good thing, but kind of stressful on such a tight timeline. Is there anyway to do this challenge without photoshop? I would love to hear how that would work....
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