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07/08/2015 11:21:06 AM · #1
original story

Opinion piece by ex-cnn correspondant

If they had not been carrying a gun then there might have been 2 good people that became fatalities instead of 1 bad person. This is one of many reasons why I support the second amendment.
07/08/2015 12:31:12 PM · #2
Dear Adam, I'm not sure that a photography site is the best place to push your agenda. You should travel a while and see the world, take photos, have fun and don't be afraid of the differences out there.
07/08/2015 12:42:56 PM · #3
Originally posted by jagar:

Dear Adam, I'm not sure that a photography site is the best place to push your agenda. You should travel a while and see the world, take photos, have fun and don't be afraid of the differences out there.


LOL Ive already extensively traveled
07/08/2015 02:14:48 PM · #4
Originally posted by jagar:

Dear Adam, I'm not sure that a photography site is the best place to push your agenda. You should travel a while and see the world, take photos, have fun and don't be afraid of the differences out there.


I disagree. This place is chock full of folks who are often on the liberal side of this discussion. There's value in bringing this stuff to their attention.

And I'd say that even if we didn't already have occasional lengthy debates about this around here.

Message edited by author 2015-07-08 14:15:04.
07/08/2015 03:35:29 PM · #5
the people who vehemently wish to own guns scare me more than those who they want to protect themselves against.

I'm serious. i get the feeling that those people are looking for me to give them a reason to shoot me.
07/08/2015 03:52:55 PM · #6
Originally posted by Mike:

the people who vehemently wish to own guns scare me more than those who they want to protect themselves against.

I'm serious. i get the feeling that those people are looking for me to give them a reason to shoot me.


As long as you don't try to car jack me, break into my house and threaten my security, or openly assault me on the street your fine.
07/08/2015 03:58:09 PM · #7
here is what i dont understand. if someone wants to steal my car, take it. rob my house, go ahead. its just stuff, none of that is worth me killing or possibly killing someone over. it the whole mindset that people are willing to kill others because of robbery or other petty stuff.

now if my life was in inevitable danger, i could see, but how often does that happen? 38 yrs and counting for me and everyone i know...
07/08/2015 03:58:52 PM · #8
Originally posted by Mike:

the people who vehemently wish to own guns scare me more than those who they want to protect themselves against.

I'm serious. i get the feeling that those people are looking for me to give them a reason to shoot me.


Really? How much time have you spent around each group?

ETA: Based on your last comment, I'm guessing not much time around the group that we wish to protect ourselves from.

The other issue with your position is that you're assuming that turning over your car and wallet will keep them from shooting you. Absolutely not true. Hell, I can show you a laundry list of cases where the victim was shot and NOTHING was stolen, and many more where the victim complied and was still shot.

Message edited by author 2015-07-08 16:01:31.
07/08/2015 04:08:51 PM · #9
If you are present during a robbery...i.e. getting carjacked....your life could very well be in danger....If my truck gets stolen out of my driveway...oh well Im not gonna chase the guy down the street shooting. Im gonna call the cops and then my insurance company.
07/09/2015 05:54:17 AM · #10
Originally posted by Mike:

the people who vehemently wish to own guns scare me more than those who they want to protect themselves against.

I'm serious. i get the feeling that those people are looking for me to give them a reason to shoot me.


Mike, I couldn't agree more.
07/09/2015 06:00:05 AM · #11

Really? How much time have you spent around each group?

ETA: Based on your last comment, I'm guessing not much time around the group that we wish to protect ourselves from.

A better question is, why would anyone spend time around a group who wants to hurt you long enough for them to hurt you? Cory, if these are your peeps, wouldn't it be safer for you to just move?

07/09/2015 06:40:23 AM · #12
Originally posted by Luciemac:

Originally posted by Cory:

Really? How much time have you spent around each group?

ETA: Based on your last comment, I'm guessing not much time around the group that we wish to protect ourselves from.


A better question is, why would anyone spend time around a group who wants to hurt you long enough for them to hurt you? Cory, if these are your peeps, wouldn't it be safer for you to just move?


I'd really rather have the freedom to go wherever I please. Besides, do you think those folks just stay where they are?

ETA: funny enough, I don't have a gun within 2000 miles of me, and feel very little need for one. Really my argument is for future me, when I'm 60 and not able to do what I can today.

Message edited by author 2015-07-09 06:42:32.
07/09/2015 07:46:13 AM · #13
Originally posted by Cory:



Really? How much time have you spent around each group?


more than i would like with the pro gun group.

if we cant trust those trained with guns, like the police, to act with restraint when it comes to guns, i sure as hell dont trust the citizens, many of whom use the bravado as veiled racism.

07/09/2015 07:51:13 AM · #14
Kansas Lawsuit Settlement Sets Standard For Gun Seller Liability

Originally posted by Program Transcript:

Each year, convicted felons get thousands of weapons from licensed gun dealers. They skirt the mandatory background checks by having people who do qualify fill out the paperwork for them.

Now, the settlement of a lawsuit over a tragic murder-suicide in Kansas has made it easier to sue gun dealers who allow these "straw purchases" with a wink and a nod.

Twelve years ago, Elizabeth Shirley was living in rural southeastern Kansas, estranged from her abusive husband Russell Graham. One Friday afternoon she took her 8-year-old son Zeus for a court-ordered visit with his dad. She didn't know that Graham, a convicted felon, had just bought a shotgun, with help from his grandmother.

"The owner of the store asked Russell if he had been a good boy, and Russell said 'No, that's why we're gonna put it in her name.' And they continued on with the sale," Shirley says.
07/09/2015 08:00:24 AM · #15
Originally posted by Cory:

Really my argument is for future me, when I'm 60 and not able to do what I can today.


I need to make a note to myself that since I am almost 70 that I really need more guns.

Now, where would I put the note. Hmmmmmmmmmm the fridge or the bathroom seem like logical places.

Have a great day my friend.

Ray
07/09/2015 08:39:13 AM · #16
For every "a legal gun saved someone" article you can find there are two articles about a 3 year old shooting his mother or a brother killing another brother or a murder suicide, etc.

what is the point of your posts? you are somehow going to enlighten people that carrying a gun is the only solution? Look at the rest of the world.

I think you would be liberated if you could get rid of your guns, and stop obsessing about them. Take up Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, tennis, anything else. If you need it for protection, move somewhere where you don't. And about protecting yourself from a tyrannical government- #1 you are not losing any rights #2 it wouldn't stop them anyway.

The truth is, the overwhelming statistic is that bad things will happen to you with your own gun rather than you "use it in a justified manner." If you want to own it to target shoot, keep it at the range.

I'm sure this post was as useless as this thread at changing minds, so as I turn up Pearl Jam's "Glorified"(which you should study the lyrics to) I say, be well Cowboy.
07/09/2015 09:27:07 AM · #17
Originally posted by blindjustice:

For every "a legal gun saved someone" article you can find there are two articles about a 3 year old shooting his mother or a brother killing another brother or a murder suicide, etc.

The ratio is actually more like 1:1000 (and that includes off-duty police officers). A single report of a gun used in self-defense last June justifies gun proliferation the same way two people winning Powerball last June justifies lotteries as a sound investment strategy. A gun kept for self defense is overwhelmingly more likely to be stolen, directed against a family member or used for suicide than to stop a crime.

More Americans have died from gun violence within this country just since 1968 than in all wars combined dating back to 1776 (you could actually double WWI and Vietnam and this would still be true).
07/09/2015 11:02:13 AM · #18
So, to those who are suggesting that perhaps I should move somewhere safer, so I don't need guns, get this straight: I would invite you to respect the freedom we have in this country, and instead move yourself to one of the MANY other countries that have exactly the sort of laws you want already in place.

Hell, before you know it someone's going to be trying to take away my whiskey on the basis that it kills people. Frankly, I don't give a shit, I want my guns and whiskey (and hotrods, and....) if you are uncomfortable with that, fine, move somewhere that the laws are well aligned with your preferences, but for gawd's sake, this country is one of the last places where some minor semblance of freedom still exists, please stop trying to ruin it.

Also, reading the news over the last few days, I'm guessing fireworks will be on the agenda soon as well. Not that I'd be terribly opposed to that one, but more because of toxic materials than because of deaths and injuries.

Message edited by author 2015-07-09 11:38:00.
07/09/2015 11:54:14 AM · #19
False dilemma (and you know it).
07/09/2015 11:56:04 AM · #20
there is a big difference between a governmnet taking away a right and society asking them to take it away.
07/09/2015 12:30:01 PM · #21
Originally posted by Cory:

So, to those who are suggesting that perhaps I should move somewhere safer, so I don't need guns, get this straight: I would invite you to respect the freedom we have in this country, and instead move yourself to one of the MANY other countries that have exactly the sort of laws you want already in place.

Hell, before you know it someone's going to be trying to take away my whiskey on the basis that it kills people. Frankly, I don't give a shit, I want my guns and whiskey (and hotrods, and....) if you are uncomfortable with that, fine, move somewhere that the laws are well aligned with your preferences, but for gawd's sake, this country is one of the last places where some minor semblance of freedom still exists, please stop trying to ruin it.

Also, reading the news over the last few days, I'm guessing fireworks will be on the agenda soon as well. Not that I'd be terribly opposed to that one, but more because of toxic materials than because of deaths and injuries.


They already tried that one...It didn't turn out so well
07/09/2015 12:31:12 PM · #22
Originally posted by Mike:

there is a big difference between a governmnet taking away a right and society asking them to take it away.


The prob with this statement.....Society as a whole is not asking to have guns taken away
07/09/2015 12:46:36 PM · #23
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Message edited by author 2015-07-09 12:49:25.
07/09/2015 12:48:30 PM · #24
Originally posted by cowboy221977:

Originally posted by Mike:

there is a big difference between a governmnet taking away a right and society asking them to take it away.


The prob with this statement.....Society as a whole is not asking to have guns taken away

Exactly -- which makes your paranoia about it confusing. Very few people (including myself) want "all the guns taken away" -- we want stricter and enforceable regulations to prevent the overwhelming number of gun deaths due to accident and suicide, and responsibility (liability) assigned for those cases where someone's gun is misused (see the report I posted earlier).
07/09/2015 01:05:13 PM · #25
Originally posted by Mike:

a significant portion is.


Perhaps we should consider splitting the union, one half with freedom, the other with their fantasy of government protection. Not sure how we could go about that though, maybe just divide the country into a north and south. Yeah, that'd work.

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