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06/18/2015 07:28:40 PM · #51

how many times are innocent bystanders killed or injured with a knife or screw driver? when a jackhole decides he's going to spray an area with bullets, its a daily occurrence.

i cant count the times i turn on the news and i hear some poor little kid got hit by a stray bullet.

Message edited by author 2015-06-18 19:31:18.

Frakster

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06/18/2015 07:32:08 PM · #52

Originally posted by Elaine:

Interesting read. Harvard Gun Study

In sum, though many nations with widespread gun ownership
have much lower murder rates than nations that severely restrict
gun ownership, it would be simplistic to assume that at all times
and in all places widespread gun ownership depresses violence by
deterring many criminals into nonconfrontation crime. There is
evidence that it does so in the United States, where defensive gun
ownership is a substantial socio‐cultural phenomenon (p 672) of the quoted above article.

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06/18/2015 07:35:12 PM · #53

how exactly does one determine that owning a gun deters crime? did they poll some criminals?

mbrutus2009

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06/18/2015 07:39:23 PM · #54

Racism will never go away. As long as there is a difference between one person to another there will be prejudice... Fact.

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06/18/2015 07:52:31 PM · #55

Originally posted by mbrutus2009:

Racism will never go away. As long as there is a difference between one person to another there will be prejudice... Fact.

hasn't it gone away to a great degree? you ave some people that cane seem to get past it, but for the most part I think many people can accept each others differences.

mbrutus2009

Nikon D850

06/18/2015 07:54:44 PM · #56

Originally posted by Mike:

Originally posted by mbrutus2009:
Racism will never go away. As long as there is a difference between one person to another there will be prejudice... Fact.

hasn't it gone away to a great degree? you ave some people that cane seem to get past it, but for the most part I think many people can accept each others differences.

There will always be those few...

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06/18/2015 07:56:07 PM · #57

of course.

Elaine

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06/18/2015 07:57:28 PM · #58

Originally posted by Mike:

True, but this is a problem of culture. Very, very rare in upper or middle class neighborhoods. Not everyone with a gun commits crimes. Yes, less innocents would get killed if the criminals did not have guns, but how are you going to get guns out of the hands of criminals?

(No one would get killed in automobile accidents if there were no cars, and less would get killed if all speed limits were 20. We could keep cars and current speed limits and decrease accidents if more people would drive responsibly.)

Personal responsibility and respect for others would go a long way towards solving this problem. I predict it is not going to happen in the US right now.

06/18/2015 08:00:47 PM · #59

Originally posted by Elaine:

but how are you going to get guns out of the hands of criminals?

you make it a crime to have one and you take them.

also if there were less legal guns, there would be by default, be a decrease in illegal ones.

on another note, we seriously cannot let people have guns if our society continues to medicate as heavily as it does. ideally we'd reduce both as well.

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Neat

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06/18/2015 09:01:56 PM · #60

Originally posted by Mike:

Originally posted by ray_mefarso:

Difficult to see how poverty plays a part in this particular scenario.

it doesn't directly, but I'm of the firm believe that if people have good jobs and money to spend, they will find better things to do than to run around shooting each other.

Mike that's good and well for you to say that I do believe that no one in this world should be poor, but how are you going to solve this problem if people just don't want to work?? Giving handouts is a terrible way to live it destroys self-esteem and the will to look for a decent job.
Plus the issue here is not really poverty it's all about human nature, its also about dysfunctional families I'm sure this kid didn't have a very ideal family life when he was growing up, and for that matter almost 100% of prisoners. The problem lies deep within families you need to fix families!!!

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RayEthier

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06/18/2015 09:35:37 PM · #61

Originally posted by Elaine:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Mike:
... like why people wish to kill others ...

In this case it's pretty clear the motivation was racial hatred.

I would love to see a discussion on possible ways to improve race relations. Discussions usually involve white guilt, but attitudes and actions for the past 50+ years have not gotten us very far. How can we move forward while remembering the past?

I seem to recall something to the effect that "If we forget the past we are doomed to repeat it"

Ray

Elaine

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06/18/2015 09:42:03 PM · #62

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by Elaine:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Mike:
... like why people wish to kill others ...

In this case it's pretty clear the motivation was racial hatred.

I would love to see a discussion on possible ways to improve race relations. Discussions usually involve white guilt, but attitudes and actions for the past 50+ years have not gotten us very far. How can we move forward while remembering the past?

I seem to recall something to the effect that "If we forget the past we are doomed to repeat it"

Ray

But there will never be growth if we are only looking backwards.

Lydia

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06/18/2015 09:49:26 PM · #63

I saw your title "Charleston Shooting" and thought you were organizing something.

I thought... "Oh... I might be able to drive to that... Would be fun to shoot with some of my friends..."

But no.

So... I posted to organize my own shooting group. :D

Lydia

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06/18/2015 09:56:13 PM · #64

Originally posted by Lydia:

I "double dog dare you" to come, @Shannon. :D

06/19/2015 06:57:34 AM · #65

Originally posted by Neat:

Originally posted by Mike:

Originally posted by ray_mefarso:

Difficult to see how poverty plays a part in this particular scenario.

it doesn't directly, but I'm of the firm believe that if people have good jobs and money to spend, they will find better things to do than to run around shooting each other.

Mike that's good and well for you to say that I do believe that no one in this world should be poor, but how are you going to solve this problem if people just don't want to work?? Giving handouts is a terrible way to live it destroys self-esteem and the will to look for a decent job.
Plus the issue here is not really poverty it's all about human nature, its also about dysfunctional families I'm sure this kid didn't have a very ideal family life when he was growing up, and for that matter almost 100% of prisoners. The problem lies deep within families you need to fix families!!!

thanks for the laugh.

06/19/2015 06:58:16 AM · #66

take 5 minutes and watch this.

Jon Stewart

RayEthier

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06/19/2015 07:07:35 AM · #67

Originally posted by Elaine:

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by Elaine:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Mike:
... like why people wish to kill others ...

In this case it's pretty clear the motivation was racial hatred.

I would love to see a discussion on possible ways to improve race relations. Discussions usually involve white guilt, but attitudes and actions for the past 50+ years have not gotten us very far. How can we move forward while remembering the past?

I seem to recall something to the effect that "If we forget the past we are doomed to repeat it"

Ray

But there will never be growth if we are only looking backwards.

Read it again... I never said we should ONLY look backwards, nor does the saying even remotely suggest this. What it does say is "If we forget"... there is a significant difference between that and what you are saying.

Ray

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06/19/2015 08:54:00 AM · #68

the onion

satire just has a way of exposing stupidity.

bohemka

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06/19/2015 08:54:03 AM · #69

Originally posted by Elaine:

Originally posted by Mike:
how many times are innocent bystanders killed or injured with a knife or screw driver? when a jackhole decides he's going to spray an area with bullets, its a daily occurrence.

i cant count the times i turn on the news and i hear some poor little kid got hit by a stray bullet.

True, but this is a problem of culture. Very, very rare in upper or middle class neighborhoods.

But it should bother people in this country that this happens on a daily basis to its citizens. To shrug it off as a culture thing, that it doesn't matter because it doesn't happen in my neighborhood -- that's sad.

rooum

06/19/2015 10:20:07 AM · #70

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Message edited by author 2015-06-19 10:22:38.

Melethia

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06/19/2015 10:21:45 AM · #71

Quite a few of the mass shooters in the recent past have middle to upper class backgrounds. Poverty was not a player. With the exception of the Virginia kid, who was Asian, most mass shooters in the US are young white men. Several have known mental health problems. Not sure what any of that means, but I don't think poverty has much play on US mass shootings.