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05/08/2015 02:35:25 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Is a DPC average score an accurate representation of how "good" a photo is?
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If you go in for that kind of thing...sure, why not?
But really, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. |
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05/08/2015 03:28:01 PM · #27 |
So, if there are multiple opinions that high score does not necessarily mean a "good" image- Why are voters putting the image at the top?
what makes a voter choose a high score? if no one agrees- perhaps we should either define "good" or get people to use the same criteria.
I am not proposing some fascist regime designed to pull the "i am going to vote any way I goddamn want" crowd out of the woodwork and into a frenzy- but why have a contest if we don't know why we are voting things up or down, or don't agree? |
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05/08/2015 03:36:57 PM · #28 |
A high score doesn't mean it's objectively "good" but only that more people thought it was good than not.
There has never been an entry where everyone gave the image the same vote. |
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05/08/2015 04:55:47 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
but why have a contest if we don't know why we are voting things up or down, or don't agree? |
for the fun of trying (or not trying) to appeal to a wide variety of different aesthetics. |
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05/08/2015 04:56:22 PM · #30 |
A. Yes
B. No
C. Maybe
D. All of the above
Obviously, the answer is D. |
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02/08/2016 01:43:47 PM · #31 |
I just want to say that as an "old-timer", there is such a different mood and appreciation point in 2016 as opposed to 2010. I'm sure that this represents new artists and their viewpoints (which I wholeheartedly encourage), but it seems so different than the standards of the past (both good & bad).
I've been persona non grata for a number of years now, and just recently decided to indulge my passion again. I'm not sorry at all, but I am confused. After reviewing a lot of challenge results, I am surprised and mystified as to what the current audience is looking for. I know that there are not as many participants, but there are some familiar faces as well. If anyone has any advice for someone returning after an hiatus, please let me know! Thank you and I will try to continue to comment on as many photos as I can (like I used to do).
Thanks for letting me rejoin, and I look forward to rising to the challenges. :-)
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02/08/2016 01:50:57 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by SJCarter:
If anyone has any advice for someone returning after an hiatus, please let me know! Thank you and I will try to continue to comment on as many photos as I can (like I used to do).
Thanks for letting me rejoin, and I look forward to rising to the challenges. :-) |
I've been considering raising my "DPC Voter Correction Factor" from 1.3 to 1.8 -- I find it makes the scores seem much more reasonable.
Other than that, welcome back, shoot what you want, have fun, and don't worry about the scores. |
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02/08/2016 01:56:06 PM · #33 |
Honestly, the first thing I do after learning that I'm in the top ten of a challenge, is to see who beat me. Then I go and see whom I in turn beat, and especially it there's some ribbon hawgs there, find myself going, 'Wow, I placed over that?! Dang I must be good!!!'
Mind this doesn't happen often, so I don't get too swollen a head about it. Or try not to anyway. ;-)
Message edited by author 2016-02-08 13:56:53. |
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02/08/2016 01:56:09 PM · #34 |
| Yes, welcome back SJ! Go forth and prosper, scores be hanged. |
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02/08/2016 02:01:29 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
Honestly, the first thing I do after learning that I'm in the top ten of a challenge ... |
... is fire off a note to Langdon letting him know there must be a bug in the scoring algotithm ... ;-) |
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02/08/2016 02:17:38 PM · #36 |
Hi SJ!!
I know it sounds impossible, but at least for now, don't shoot for scores. Shoot for yourself, what you like, what you're good at. One of the wonderful things about DPC which people tend to forget is that it gets us out there, shooting. Maybe even upping our creativity. As long as we keep shooting and evolving, the scores are secondary. You'll figure it out :) |
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02/08/2016 02:30:33 PM · #37 |
Would it be possible to give an example without hurting someone's feelings? I'm curious what you mean.
To me, it seems similar - with fewer images to choose from: but Seeing aurora borealis with a blue ribbon seems very DPC ;)
Originally posted by SJCarter:
After reviewing a lot of challenge results, I am surprised and mystified as to what the current audience is looking for. |
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02/08/2016 04:23:46 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Then we get a FS winner like the current Magpie Ninja shot that just blows the competition away: No 1's, no 2's, no 3's, no 4's, and only three 5's... Just a stellar image, appreciated as better-than-average even by the folks who prefer other types of work than the sharp-nature genre :-) |
?? What did I miss? |
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02/08/2016 04:36:03 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by nam:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Then we get a FS winner like the current Magpie Ninja shot that just blows the competition away: No 1's, no 2's, no 3's, no 4's, and only three 5's... Just a stellar image, appreciated as better-than-average even by the folks who prefer other types of work than the sharp-nature genre :-) |
?? What did I miss? |
About 9 months. ;)
The quoted post is from May 2015. |
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02/08/2016 04:46:16 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by nam:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Then we get a FS winner like the current Magpie Ninja shot that just blows the competition away: No 1's, no 2's, no 3's, no 4's, and only three 5's... Just a stellar image, appreciated as better-than-average even by the folks who prefer other types of work than the sharp-nature genre :-) |
?? What did I miss? |
This may help. Bear was referring to this May 2015 Free Study winner:
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02/08/2016 04:52:44 PM · #41 |
thanks. (April FS, May post).
Message edited by author 2016-02-08 16:53:26. |
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02/08/2016 05:01:07 PM · #42 |
Thanks everybody! I am glad to be back (for however long that turns out to be - ha). And I do go out and shoot just for me; DPC is one of the main reasons that gets me up off of my ass! And I'm not really worried about the scores - I've done better than I can possibly imagine with some of my past images. I was simply stating that it seems that things have changed (as things always do), and I was curious to see if anyone knew the answer to "what it was that was different".
Good to see you guys too after an extended *ahem* self-imposed sabbatical; and I look forward to spending more time on here again. I let my photography fall by the wayside for a couple of years due to work & family constraints, but I am much healthier (and therefore able to give more) when I have this outlet.
Again, thanks everyone; and doggonit it's awesome to see that some of the familiar faces are still here!
Jimmy
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02/08/2016 05:05:13 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by tate:
Would it be possible to give an example without hurting someone's feelings? I'm curious what you mean.
To me, it seems similar - with fewer images to choose from: but Seeing aurora borealis with a blue ribbon seems very DPC ;)
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Thanks tate, but I would never call anyone out that way. We all have different viewpoints and likes. I do not want to single anything out that I'm not fond of in order to try to prove a point (that really can't be proven anyway). Times change. Skills change. People change. I was just hoping to get a little insight on the latest "happenings" in the DPC world.
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02/08/2016 05:07:24 PM · #44 |
GeneralE & Bear - damn glad to see you boys! You too tanguera! hahaha. Thank y'all for hanging in there. :-D
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02/08/2016 05:22:10 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Is a DPC average score an accurate representation of how "good" a photo is?
Just stirring the pot a little. Thanks for indulging me. |
If you assume there is such thing as how good a photo is, it's hard to think of something else that will be more accurate than DPC's crowdsourcing engine.
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02/08/2016 05:50:17 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by markwiley:
Originally posted by nam:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Then we get a FS winner like the current Magpie Ninja shot that just blows the competition away: No 1's, no 2's, no 3's, no 4's, and only three 5's... Just a stellar image, appreciated as better-than-average even by the folks who prefer other types of work than the sharp-nature genre :-) |
?? What did I miss? |
This may help. Bear was referring to this May 2015 Free Study winner:
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Actually, I was referring to the RED in "Best of 2015" but managed to conflate it with the "Magpie Ninja" shot, my drifiting brain and all...
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02/08/2016 05:50:23 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by backdoorhippie:
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?? What did I miss? |
About 9 months. ;)
The quoted post is from May 2015. [/quote]
Thanks. Usually I check dates in a situation like this - don't know why I didn't. Maybe because the current FS just finished . . . |
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02/08/2016 06:39:59 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by snaffles:
Honestly, the first thing I do after learning that I'm in the top ten of a challenge ... |
... is fire off a note to Langdon letting him know there must be a bug in the scoring algotithm ... ;-) |
Yeah, that too :-) |
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02/08/2016 10:16:11 PM · #49 |
Oh,, never mind... I thought the thread title said "DPC s'mores and good photography"
I was looking forward to recipes and pics of chocolate covered graham crackers with mallows over an open fire.
Welcome back SJC. |
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02/08/2016 10:49:28 PM · #50 |
Good is relative to who is looking, good changes with time because we change with time, what I used to think of as good i no longer do.
DPC no longer has enough voters to be taken seriously as far as neutrality goes, there are other things at play than just a good photo here, most people know who's photos are who's. I see photos here that could easily be exposed in a fine art gallery getting terrible scores and photos winning that would be considered plastic trach in any respectable gallery anywhere. DPC is fun and motivating, but it's absolutely not a good gage of what a good photo is or isn't. |
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