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04/13/2015 03:32:06 PM · #51
Originally posted by LN13:

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by Mike:

its a pretty simple solution just dont shoot so close to rollover.


... and some might counter with the argument that in some places in the world people are effectively losing a whole day of potential images.

How fair is that.



How do you figure? A photographer on the East Coast USA has from Midnight on the first of the month through 11:59:59pm on the last of the month to get a Free Study shot. A photographer in the UK has from 5am on the first of the month through 4:59:59am on the last of the month. Both have exactly one month to shoot.

If you really want to let those east of the East Coast USA start shooting as soon as it becomes the first of the month, you're actually giving them extra time, as they still have until 11:59:59pm EDT/EST to submit. That UK photog would get five hours that others don't get. How fair is that?


Not to mention most of us in the EST are sleeping during rollover. :P, between the time I go to bed and wake up I've lost 8 hrs of shooting time for the challenge.



Message edited by author 2015-04-13 15:33:29.
04/13/2015 06:04:29 PM · #52
Guys, how can you say you've lost shooting time bc of where you live, everyday I get given 24 hrs funny that, how long do you get ;-)
04/13/2015 06:26:57 PM · #53
Your submission must be:

-taken after the challenge is announced and before the deadline, based on the Current Server Time (US Eastern Standard/Daylight Time) displayed at the bottom of every page on this site.

You must:

-ensure that your camera date and time are correctly set to your home time zone before shooting your entry. If the date(s) recorded in your original image file(s) are not within the specified challenge dates, your entry will be disqualified - NO exceptions! If your entry was taken in a different location than indicated in your profile, please note the location in the submission form so that we can adjust accordingly.

This, to me, is the part that makes it confusing. Why can't someone who is not in the EDT set their camera date and time to the DPC server time? This would prevent this from happening all together. Every challenge would fit the dates this way.
04/13/2015 06:39:34 PM · #54
time is elastic. depends how you use it. nothing is fair. blubber away.
04/13/2015 06:40:58 PM · #55
Adding the time/date in GMT to the description would make it pretty unambiguous.

04/13/2015 06:52:58 PM · #56
Originally posted by Enlightened:

This, to me, is the part that makes it confusing. Why can't someone who is not in the EDT set their camera date and time to the DPC server time? This would prevent this from happening all together. Every challenge would fit the dates this way.


Precisely... why doesn't EVERYONE ELSE align their clocks to match those of the US East Coast. One standardized time-zone for the world so that those confused by such things on a digital photography website can avoid such confusion.

Seriously though... I think the system as is works fine. Yes, those of us (myself included most of the time) need to allow for such things when selecting an entry, but that's merely an embuggerance compared to having my entire photographic database synchronised to a foreign (usually) time-zone. Not all the photos I take are DPC related.
04/13/2015 07:03:58 PM · #57
Originally posted by Neat:

Guys, how can you say you've lost shooting time bc of where you live, everyday I get given 24 hrs funny that, how long do you get ;-)


Mike is joking around now, Anita. Maybe not a good idea given how confusing this seems to be for some people, but that's how it goes here :)
04/13/2015 07:14:58 PM · #58
Originally posted by vlado:

Originally posted by Enlightened:

This, to me, is the part that makes it confusing. Why can't someone who is not in the EDT set their camera date and time to the DPC server time? This would prevent this from happening all together. Every challenge would fit the dates this way.


Precisely... why doesn't EVERYONE ELSE align their clocks to match those of the US East Coast. One standardized time-zone for the world so that those confused by such things on a digital photography website can avoid such confusion.

Seriously though... I think the system as is works fine. Yes, those of us (myself included most of the time) need to allow for such things when selecting an entry, but that's merely an embuggerance compared to having my entire photographic database synchronised to a foreign (usually) time-zone. Not all the photos I take are DPC related.


LOL True!! :)
04/13/2015 07:26:18 PM · #59
Originally posted by nam:

Originally posted by Neat:

Guys, how can you say you've lost shooting time bc of where you live, everyday I get given 24 hrs funny that, how long do you get ;-)


Mike is joking around now, Anita. Maybe not a good idea given how confusing this seems to be for some people, but that's how it goes here :)


I realised that, it's for everyone else who is whining!

Man wants to always complicate mattters, this is actually quite a simple matter.
Don't change your camera times, if you're travelling and shoot after a challenge is announced, not rocket science.

Message edited by author 2015-04-13 19:26:55.
04/13/2015 08:05:11 PM · #60
Okay, I accept we all have the same amount of time. But, as an Aussie, celebatory New Year's shots are out. If I go to Melbourne's beautiful fireworks displays (and I've only done it twice) there is no way I'm going to be home to get the images processed in time to put them in for December.
04/13/2015 08:27:10 PM · #61
Originally posted by Paul:

Originally posted by tate:

If we all start shooting when the challenge is announced, we all get the same amount of time. Is that not right?


Perfectly correct. No one is advantaged with a much as a single second. Ever.


If a challenge is announced at midnight EST on a Saturday , what day is it in Australia? Does the closing date not come earlier for our Aussie friends?

Does it not follow that for some they would have lost time? Not trying to argue this tills the cows come home... just curious.

Ray
04/13/2015 08:33:21 PM · #62
Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by Paul:

Originally posted by tate:

If we all start shooting when the challenge is announced, we all get the same amount of time. Is that not right?


Perfectly correct. No one is advantaged with a much as a single second. Ever.


If a challenge is announced at midnight EST on a Saturday , what day is it in Australia? Does the closing date not come earlier for our Aussie friends?

Does it not follow that for some they would have lost time? Not trying to argue this tills the cows come home... just curious.

Ray


That'a not how math works. This reminds me of the old joke, "which is heavier, a pound of lead or a pound of feathers?"

Maybe it's a bit easier if you look at it from the standpoint of the central time zone, which is 1 hour behind eastern. The challenge is announced midnight eastern on the 2nd. The central time zone is 11pm on the 1st. If I shoot a photo at 11:20 pm central on the 1st, that shot it totally valid for this challenge.
Am I gaining an hour over people in the eastern time zone? Nope. The challenge runs until midnight eastern on the 9th. But being in the central time zone, I have until 11pm on the 8th.
04/13/2015 09:10:43 PM · #63
Originally posted by RayEthier:

. . .

If a challenge is announced at midnight EST on a Saturday , what day is it in Australia? Does the closing date not come earlier for our Aussie friends?

Does it not follow that for some they would have lost time? . . .


No, it means that they know what the challenge is 12 or 15 hours sooner than we do . . . just kidding. Tell you what, as soon as you know what the next challenge is, Anita (picking you only because I know you and would happily give you my phone number), why don't you pick up the phone and call me and tell me. Then I will have a 15 hour (or whatever) advantage over all my friends here in the Midwest. Just kidding again.

My clock and calendar will say one thing and yours will say another, but we can both see what the newest challenge topic is at the same instant in time.
04/13/2015 09:22:19 PM · #64
For everyone worrying about all those Kiwis and Aussies getting unfair extra time to shoot, think about those on the opposite end of the world who can keep on shooting after NZ and Oz have "rolled over". Seriously, 24 hours is 24 hours around the world. Nobody is moving the finish line.

The rollover time has remained constant from the time DPC came to be. Nothing has changed. "Roll over" is at a different hour in every time zone around the world. In L.A., it's at 9 pm (I "get to shoot" for 3 more hours than my NY pals). When I was in Oz, it was 2, 3, or 4 pm, depending which time zone I was driving through, and uploading from. It was MY responsibility to keep track of these time changes.

It gets especially confusing when shooting near the deadline on the FS, but the rollover time is the rollover time, the world over for every challenge.

04/13/2015 10:01:22 PM · #65
this site has been active for how many years now?
04/13/2015 10:35:44 PM · #66
Originally posted by Mike:

this site has been active for how many years now?

The reports of its death were premature
04/14/2015 09:07:21 AM · #67
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04/14/2015 09:39:06 AM · #68
Originally posted by nam:

Originally posted by RayEthier:

. . .

If a challenge is announced at midnight EST on a Saturday , what day is it in Australia? Does the closing date not come earlier for our Aussie friends?

Does it not follow that for some they would have lost time? . . .


No, it means that they know what the challenge is 12 or 15 hours sooner than we do . . . just kidding. Tell you what, as soon as you know what the next challenge is, Anita (picking you only because I know you and would happily give you my phone number), why don't you pick up the phone and call me and tell me. Then I will have a 15 hour (or whatever) advantage over all my friends here in the Midwest. Just kidding again.

My clock and calendar will say one thing and yours will say another, but we can both see what the newest challenge topic is at the same instant in time.


Someday you could maybe explain to me just how this transpires.

If it is midnight in NYC it it would be something like 2PM in Brisbane, meaning that 14 hours of the day have gone by before they get to see the challenge topic.

Similarly, if the closing for submissions is in accordance with the server which is on EST, then does it not follow that the Aussies arrive at that specific time frame earlier than those who actually live in the EST time zone. It is 09:35AM here, and in Brisbane it is 11:35PM and if midnight today was the deadline for a submission, I would have several hours to do so whereas my friends in Brisbane woldl have 2.5hours.

I guess I just fall in the group of "complainers" that Neat alluded to.

Ray

Message edited by author 2015-04-14 09:40:17.
04/14/2015 09:47:43 AM · #69
Originally posted by nam:

Originally posted by RayEthier:

. . .

If a challenge is announced at midnight EST on a Saturday , what day is it in Australia? Does the closing date not come earlier for our Aussie friends?

Does it not follow that for some they would have lost time? . . .


No, it means that they know what the challenge is 12 or 15 hours sooner than we do . . . just kidding. Tell you what, as soon as you know what the next challenge is, Anita (picking you only because I know you and would happily give you my phone number), why don't you pick up the phone and call me and tell me. Then I will have a 15 hour (or whatever) advantage over all my friends here in the Midwest. Just kidding again.

My clock and calendar will say one thing and yours will say another, but we can both see what the newest challenge topic is at the same instant in time.


Which falls faster, a pound of feathers or a pound of lead?

Ray
04/14/2015 09:50:18 AM · #70
OMG this thread is hilarious!
04/14/2015 09:52:48 AM · #71
Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by nam:

Originally posted by RayEthier:

. . .

If a challenge is announced at midnight EST on a Saturday , what day is it in Australia? Does the closing date not come earlier for our Aussie friends?

Does it not follow that for some they would have lost time? . . .


No, it means that they know what the challenge is 12 or 15 hours sooner than we do . . . just kidding. Tell you what, as soon as you know what the next challenge is, Anita (picking you only because I know you and would happily give you my phone number), why don't you pick up the phone and call me and tell me. Then I will have a 15 hour (or whatever) advantage over all my friends here in the Midwest. Just kidding again.

My clock and calendar will say one thing and yours will say another, but we can both see what the newest challenge topic is at the same instant in time.


Someday you could maybe explain to me just how this transpires.

If it is midnight in NYC it it would be something like 2PM in Brisbane, meaning that 14 hours of the day have gone by before they get to see the challenge topic.

Similarly, if the closing for submissions is in accordance with the server which is on EST, then does it not follow that the Aussies arrive at that specific time frame earlier than those who actually live in the EST time zone. It is 09:35AM here, and in Brisbane it is 11:35PM and if midnight today was the deadline for a submission, I would have several hours to do so whereas my friends in Brisbane woldl have 2.5hours.

I guess I just fall in the group of "complainers" that Neat alluded to.

Ray


On a regular weekly challenge, EVERYONE has exactly 168 hours to enter. On a free study, EVERYONE has 720-744 hours (except February) to enter.

A challenge starts at midnight in New York and 3pm in Brisbane. It ends at midnight in New York and 3pm in Brisbane.

No one has any advantage, no one has any disadvantage.

Message edited by author 2015-04-14 09:57:48.
04/14/2015 10:10:08 AM · #72
Everyone has the same exact amount of time to shoot for and enter, no question. But I really think challenge descriptions need to include a "server time" mention. From the current Lawn challenge:

Submission Deadline: Tuesday, April 14th, 2015 (began Apr. 8th 2015)
Voting Dates: Apr. 15th 2015 - Apr. 21st 2015

It's obviously not as cut and dry as taking a photo between April 8th and April 14th. I'm a proud shoehorner, and I will often stroll by DPC, check the challenges, and then see what I can squeeze in based on the submission dates, which are not specific about an exact hour.

Using the above challenge description as a guideline it'd be pretty easy for someone to the east to dig through their files and enter an illegal photo by accident. We all don't sit around and wait for rollover to see what the next challenge is. We often dig into what we've already shot.

Have you ever noticed how many photos from Iceland are DQ'd? They eat a ridiculous amount of hot dogs and some putrid, stinky fish stuff, but they're not on the whole a bunch of cheaters. This is exactly why this is happening.
04/14/2015 11:14:40 AM · #73
Originally posted by LN13:

On a regular weekly challenge, EVERYONE has exactly 168 hours to enter. On a free study, EVERYONE has 720-744 hours (except February) to enter.

A challenge starts at midnight in New York and 3pm in Brisbane. It ends at midnight in New York and 3pm in Brisbane.

No one has any advantage, no one has any disadvantage.


Okies... and how does this align with the comments made by Paul at 04/12/2015 05:16:05 AM · #11 or those found at 04/13/2015 08:48:52 AM · #23

Just asking.

Ray

Message edited by author 2015-04-14 11:28:41.
04/14/2015 11:38:54 AM · #74
Originally posted by RayEthier:

. . .

Okies... and how does this align with the comments made by Paul at 04/12/2015 05:16:05 AM · #11 or those found at 04/13/2015 08:48:52 AM · #23

Just asking.

Ray


You mean these comments? I had to count backwards to find them as I have my threads reversed, but I think these are the ones you mean:
#11 Correct. You would need to enter it into the FS that is open at the time you shot the picture. When you are within hours of deadlines care is certainly needed.
#23 Yes they should - or get them into the FS that is still open. Any image taken can be submitted to a Free Study.

I really should give up as I don't seem to be making myself clear, but I'll give it one more try.

Free study shooting very close to end of month example. Take a picture with time and date set for YOUR time zone. Go immediately to computer and look to see what Free Study is Open. Enter that FS and when you do so, be sure to put WHERE you are, where you were at the moment you took the picture. Submit. Your entry will be validated for time and date - regardless of what your local calendar or clock may say.
04/14/2015 11:58:13 AM · #75
Originally posted by RayEthier:



Which falls faster, a pound of feathers or a pound of lead?

Ray


In a vacuum at they would fall at the same speed.
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