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04/13/2015 09:03:49 AM · #26
Originally posted by Paul:

Originally posted by bohemka:

I'm surprised that the SC would get together to look at a perfectly valid exif time, and then calculate that the photo was taken Iceland and DQ it.


That's exactly what happens as a matter of course. It's what we are supposed to do.

Originally posted by bohemka:

What if he said it had been taken in Colorado?


He didn't.

Originally posted by bohemka:

When you look through your archives for best of the month, best of the year, art of the year, etc., do you in the UK adjust your view of available photos by five hours?


Absolutely I would/do.

Originally posted by bohemka:

Do the Australians and Kiwis here disregard photos taken during the first 14 hours of the month or year? It's a can of worms.


Yes they should - or get them into the FS that is still open. Any image taken can be submitted to a Free Study.


So an Australian takes a superb shot of New Year's fireworks at 12.01 am New Year's Day, then hurries off to process it and get it in the December Free Study?
04/13/2015 09:13:01 AM · #27
So I'm just a little bit confused now.

Every time I travel, I change my camera time according to the city I'm in, is that what we should do?
04/13/2015 09:17:52 AM · #28
Originally posted by jomari:

Originally posted by Paul:

Originally posted by bohemka:

I'm surprised that the SC would get together to look at a perfectly valid exif time, and then calculate that the photo was taken Iceland and DQ it.


That's exactly what happens as a matter of course. It's what we are supposed to do.

Originally posted by bohemka:

What if he said it had been taken in Colorado?


He didn't.

Originally posted by bohemka:

When you look through your archives for best of the month, best of the year, art of the year, etc., do you in the UK adjust your view of available photos by five hours?


Absolutely I would/do.

Originally posted by bohemka:

Do the Australians and Kiwis here disregard photos taken during the first 14 hours of the month or year? It's a can of worms.


Yes they should - or get them into the FS that is still open. Any image taken can be submitted to a Free Study.


So an Australian takes a superb shot of New Year's fireworks at 12.01 am New Year's Day, then hurries off to process it and get it in the December Free Study?


Correct. That's how it works.
04/13/2015 09:20:35 AM · #29
Originally posted by Neat:

So I'm just a little bit confused now.

Every time I travel, I change my camera time according to the city I'm in, is that what we should do?


No. You shouldn't change it.

From the rules:

You must:

Ensure that your camera date and time are correctly set to your home time zone before shooting your entry. If the date(s) recorded in your original image file(s) are not within the specified challenge dates, your entry will be disqualified - NO exceptions! If your entry was taken in a different location than indicated in your profile, please note the location in the submission form so that we can adjust accordingly.

This isn't new...
04/13/2015 09:23:50 AM · #30
Originally posted by Paul:

Originally posted by jomari:

[...] So an Australian takes a superb shot of New Year's fireworks at 12.01 am New Year's Day, then hurries off to process it and get it in the December Free Study?


Correct. That's how it works.


I wonder if it might be helpful to have the emboldened text added to these kinds of challenges:
Originally posted by Free Study 2015-04:

Submission Deadline: Thursday, April 30th, 2015 (began Apr. 1st 2015) local time

or some clearer variant.

For clarification, using jomari's scenario, if it wasn't a FS but a regular challenge, the deadline is server time?

Message edited by author 2015-04-13 09:24:16.
04/13/2015 09:26:56 AM · #31
Originally posted by Paul:

Originally posted by Neat:

So I'm just a little bit confused now.

Every time I travel, I change my camera time according to the city I'm in, is that what we should do?


No. You shouldn't change it.

From the rules:

You must:

Ensure that your camera date and time are correctly set to your home time zone before shooting your entry. If the date(s) recorded in your original image file(s) are not within the specified challenge dates, your entry will be disqualified - NO exceptions! If your entry was taken in a different location than indicated in your profile, please note the location in the submission form so that we can adjust accordingly.

This isn't new...

Paul, it isn't at all reasonable for you expect that we have the same level of understanding on the subtleties of the rules as SC members do. Assuming that we do makes you sound... unreasonable and us feel stupid.

Message edited by author 2015-04-13 09:28:39.
04/13/2015 09:28:16 AM · #32
Maybe follow the general rule: "do not shoot for challenges that have not yet been announced"?
04/13/2015 09:37:28 AM · #33
- forget it.

Message edited by author 2015-04-13 09:39:16.
04/13/2015 09:38:05 AM · #34
Originally posted by NiallOTuama:

Originally posted by Paul:

Originally posted by Neat:

So I'm just a little bit confused now.

Every time I travel, I change my camera time according to the city I'm in, is that what we should do?


No. You shouldn't change it.

From the rules:

You must:

Ensure that your camera date and time are correctly set to your home time zone before shooting your entry. If the date(s) recorded in your original image file(s) are not within the specified challenge dates, your entry will be disqualified - NO exceptions! If your entry was taken in a different location than indicated in your profile, please note the location in the submission form so that we can adjust accordingly.

This isn't new...

Paul, it isn't at all reasonable for you expect that we have the same level of understanding on the subtleties of the rules as SC members do. Assuming that we do makes you sound... unreasonable and us feel stupid.


If this is a joke, I'm laughing with you.

If it isn't - I'm confused.

And, I for one have no more or less of a grasp of the rules than I did before I was a member of SC. There's nothing subtle about the clear guidance/requirements given above.

Message edited by author 2015-04-13 09:40:11.
04/13/2015 09:41:00 AM · #35
Originally posted by Paul:

Originally posted by Neat:

So I'm just a little bit confused now.

Every time I travel, I change my camera time according to the city I'm in, is that what we should do?


No. You shouldn't change it.

From the rules:

You must:

Ensure that your camera date and time are correctly set to your home time zone before shooting your entry. If the date(s) recorded in your original image file(s) are not within the specified challenge dates, your entry will be disqualified - NO exceptions! If your entry was taken in a different location than indicated in your profile, please note the location in the submission form so that we can adjust accordingly.

This isn't new...


Oh ok, I've always changed it thankfully I didn't get DQ then, probably because I took it a few days into the challenge. Better this way anyway.

Message edited by author 2015-04-13 09:41:21.
04/13/2015 10:14:28 AM · #36
Originally posted by Paul:

Originally posted by Neat:

So I'm just a little bit confused now.

Every time I travel, I change my camera time according to the city I'm in, is that what we should do?


No. You shouldn't change it.

From the rules:

You must:

Ensure that your camera date and time are correctly set to your home time zone before shooting your entry. If the date(s) recorded in your original image file(s) are not within the specified challenge dates, your entry will be disqualified - NO exceptions! If your entry was taken in a different location than indicated in your profile, please note the location in the submission form so that we can adjust accordingly.

This isn't new...


I've put a different section in bold to highlight where I'm having a problem with this. Even if the date recorded in your original file is within the specified challenge dates, you can still be DQ'd because of the time zone in which you have taken the photo.

You have said you are aware of this, but I really don't think this is universally understood. It is logical that you cannot shoot for or enter a challenge before it is announced when you're talking about something like leading lines, but for the "best of" duration-based challenges, it's confusing. Over the years, how many New Year's fireworks images should have been DQ'd?

I'll stop going on about it, but it's not nearly as clear as you're sure it is.
04/13/2015 10:19:35 AM · #37
Originally posted by bohemka:

Originally posted by Paul:

Originally posted by Neat:

So I'm just a little bit confused now.

Every time I travel, I change my camera time according to the city I'm in, is that what we should do?


No. You shouldn't change it.

From the rules:

You must:

Ensure that your camera date and time are correctly set to your home time zone before shooting your entry. If the date(s) recorded in your original image file(s) are not within the specified challenge dates, your entry will be disqualified - NO exceptions! If your entry was taken in a different location than indicated in your profile, please note the location in the submission form so that we can adjust accordingly.

This isn't new...


I've put a different section in bold to highlight where I'm having a problem with this. Even if the date recorded in your original file is within the specified challenge dates, you can still be DQ'd because of the time zone in which you have taken the photo.

You have said you are aware of this, but I really don't think this is universally understood. It is logical that you cannot shoot for or enter a challenge before it is announced when you're talking about something like leading lines, but for the "best of" duration-based challenges, it's confusing. Over the years, how many New Year's fireworks images should have been DQ'd?

I'll stop going on about it, but it's not nearly as clear as you're sure it is.


That's a fair point. I'll suggest that we amend that to:

"Ensure that your camera date and time are correctly set to your home time zone before shooting your entry. If the date(s) recorded in your original image file(s) are not within the specified challenge dates (with time zone adjustments applied where appropriate), your entry will be disqualified - NO exceptions! So, if your entry was taken in a different location than indicated in your profile, please note the location in the submission form so that we can adjust accordingly."

Perhaps that would help?
04/13/2015 10:23:28 AM · #38
Originally posted by Neat:

So I'm just a little bit confused now.

Every time I travel, I change my camera time according to the city I'm in, is that what we should do?


Same here, and I recently had a great photo from New Zealand and did not enter same in the Free Study precisely because I feared it did not meet the time specifications.

A rather sad state of affairs.

Ray
04/13/2015 10:26:16 AM · #39
I'm really not trying to over-complicate it. I don't think that is necessary, actually, but perhaps there should be a special footnote for monthly and annual challenges that reminds everyone that the legal challenge time frame does not necessarily line up exactly with their month or year, but rather with the month and year of the server on the US's east coast.

This current DQ is completely understandable to me, and I sympathize with him. For "best of" anything, I look through photos on Lightroom according to dates, and I would never think twice about entering an image dated March 1st for a Best of March challenge. For better or worse I now share a timezone with the server, but I can imagine this would get a lot of folks caught up.
04/13/2015 10:31:29 AM · #40
Originally posted by Neat:

. . .

Oh ok, I've always changed it thankfully I didn't get DQ then, probably because I took it a few days into the challenge. Better this way anyway.


Yes, much better this way and I appreciate the clarification that came, for me, simply because you reposted this rule in this discussion. The context gives it new meaning for me. If you and other SC members can come up with a slight wording change (as you suggested) that will clarify it in the rule, that would be great.

Like Anita I've always tried to remember to change the time on my camera which is a pain in the butt. Much better this way - just don't be a smart aleck when it comes to stating where your photo was taken, especially if you are traveling :)
04/13/2015 12:30:36 PM · #41
Originally posted by Paul:

Originally posted by bohemka:

Do the Australians and Kiwis here disregard photos taken during the first 14 hours of the month or year? It's a can of worms.


Yes they should - or get them into the FS that is still open. Any image taken can be submitted to a Free Study.


not to open a can of worms here, but then wouldn't there be hell to pay when people look at the February free study and see a "march 1st" timestamp on it? that's what would happen, and they'd be correct. the person taking the photo shot, edited and entered in the month of march (for them) while we were still in February.

I don't see why exif data can't just stand on it's own.
you set your camera for your timezone. you know what that entails. if you shoot something awesome on the 1st of march in Russia (say, a satellite streaking across the sky as it is about to crash land) and have time to go back and edit it, you look and think you want this in the free study, but you're in the month of march, so you wait a few hours for the rollover to happen, then enter it. you still have the picture, you are entering it into the monthly FS during which you shot, and you have 30 (and a bit) days to decide if you get something better to replace it with.
Alternatively, you submit it for the February FS and get dq'd because your exif data states that this was taken in march and as such is invalid.

keeping it cut and dry based on exif is the easiest way of doing things. and if you're on vacation, in New Zealand, well, you either run the risk of not adjusting your camera's date/time, submitting and possibly being dq'd; or you change your camera's time and follow the "it's 5am here, so it's now a March picture" mindset.
04/13/2015 12:37:15 PM · #42
Originally posted by RyanW:

Alternatively, you submit it for the February FS and get dq'd because your exif data states that this was taken in march and as such is invalid.


Umm, no - you receive no DQ because your EXIF data and your home time zone demonstrates it's a legitimate entry. SC take that into account.
04/13/2015 12:50:30 PM · #43
Originally posted by RyanW:

not to open a can of worms here, but then wouldn't there be hell to pay when people look at the February free study and see a "march 1st" timestamp on it? that's what would happen, and they'd be correct. the person taking the photo shot, edited and entered in the month of march (for them) while we were still in February.


I suspect they wouldn't actually think the image had been taken in the future and might consider the different time zone hypothesis to be more valid.
04/13/2015 02:19:50 PM · #44
its a pretty simple solution just dont shoot so close to rollover.
04/13/2015 02:23:47 PM · #45
Originally posted by Mike:

its a pretty simple solution just dont shoot so close to rollover.


Yeah, but what about if Wendy ever goes overseas?
04/13/2015 02:48:53 PM · #46
Originally posted by Mike:

its a pretty simple solution just dont shoot so close to rollover.


... and some might counter with the argument that in some places in the world people are effectively losing a whole day of potential images.

How fair is that.

Mind you, considering the USA centric approach to many of the challenges, I guess that is NOT something that is factored into the equation.

Ray
04/13/2015 02:59:50 PM · #47
If we all start shooting when the challenge is announced, we all get the same amount of time. Is that not right?
04/13/2015 03:06:09 PM · #48
Originally posted by nam:

Originally posted by Mike:

its a pretty simple solution just dont shoot so close to rollover.


Yeah, but what about if Wendy ever goes overseas?


:D
04/13/2015 03:15:01 PM · #49
Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by Mike:

its a pretty simple solution just dont shoot so close to rollover.


... and some might counter with the argument that in some places in the world people are effectively losing a whole day of potential images.

How fair is that.



How do you figure? A photographer on the East Coast USA has from Midnight on the first of the month through 11:59:59pm on the last of the month to get a Free Study shot. A photographer in the UK has from 5am on the first of the month through 4:59:59am on the last of the month. Both have exactly one month to shoot.

If you really want to let those east of the East Coast USA start shooting as soon as it becomes the first of the month, you're actually giving them extra time, as they still have until 11:59:59pm EDT/EST to submit. That UK photog would get five hours that others don't get. How fair is that?

Message edited by author 2015-04-13 15:16:03.
04/13/2015 03:16:12 PM · #50
Originally posted by tate:

If we all start shooting when the challenge is announced, we all get the same amount of time. Is that not right?


Perfectly correct. No one is advantaged with a much as a single second. Ever.
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