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02/13/2015 01:40:29 PM · #201
Don't even try Mike. Atheism has the unique property of becoming invisible as soon as you try to stick something on it. Despite being a worldview like any other, it is incapable of being responsible for poor behavior... ;)

Personally, when someone self-describes, I think the adjectives used are very important in their identity. If he self-identifies as a "gun-toting atheist" that means something to me. We typically use adjectives that are most important to us when we say who we are.

Message edited by author 2015-02-13 13:42:15.
02/13/2015 03:24:22 PM · #202
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Atheism has the unique property of becoming invisible as soon as you try to stick something on it. Despite being a worldview like any other, it is incapable of being responsible for poor behavior... ;)

How can a word used to describe the fact that some people simply believe their is no god be a worldview, or responsible for any kind of behaviors????

If someone uses atheism as an excuse for doing something, it's pretty much of an indication they don't even know what the word means.

It's *NOT* a club, organization, secret society, fraternity.....it just states that one believes there is no god.
02/13/2015 05:16:18 PM · #203
Someone could kill someone who believes in god because they could think the only people allowed to live should be the only people who hold beliefs based purely on scientific evidence
02/13/2015 06:01:03 PM · #204
Originally posted by LanndonKane:

Someone could kill someone who believes in god because they could think the only people allowed to live should be the only people who hold beliefs based purely on scientific evidence


...and I could earnestly believen that I am 6'4", with blond hair, blue eyes, athletic and a member of MENSA, but that too is not reality.

When you have located an instance where an atheist killed someone for those reasons you mentioned, do let us know... it will be a first.

Ray

Message edited by author 2015-02-14 00:38:03.
02/13/2015 06:05:34 PM · #205
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Don't even try Mike. Atheism has the unique property of becoming invisible as soon as you try to stick something on it. Despite being a worldview like any other, it is incapable of being responsible for poor behavior... ;)


Ahem... invisibility seems to be almost the exclusive realm of the religious. How many examples are there were particularly heinous acts were not only committed by hidden from the authorities by religious organizations.

Go ahead, list all of those instances where atheists have engaged in activities that had a very negative impact on the rest of society.

I can wait.

Ray
02/13/2015 06:07:44 PM · #206
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Atheism has the unique property of becoming invisible as soon as you try to stick something on it. Despite being a worldview like any other, it is incapable of being responsible for poor behavior... ;)

How can a word used to describe the fact that some people simply believe their is no god be a worldview, or responsible for any kind of behaviors????



A sociopath is define by what he lacks (a sense of moral responsibility and social conscience), not traits he has over and above normal people. Would it be similarly incorrect to say any actions of his were because "he was a sociopath"?

Frankly I don't buy the "we're not a club" argument. Y'all have become as much a club as anybody else. I know that's the party line here and it's exactly why I made the comment. See, in the time I made this comment Ray just gave us the invisible argument as well. ;) I know how it works.

Message edited by author 2015-02-13 18:09:00.
02/13/2015 06:32:18 PM · #207
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Atheism has the unique property of becoming invisible as soon as you try to stick something on it. Despite being a worldview like any other, it is incapable of being responsible for poor behavior... ;)

How can a word used to describe the fact that some people simply believe their is no god be a worldview, or responsible for any kind of behaviors????



A sociopath is define by what he lacks (a sense of moral responsibility and social conscience), not traits he has over and above normal people. Would it be similarly incorrect to say any actions of his were because "he was a sociopath"?

Frankly I don't buy the "we're not a club" argument. Y'all have become as much a club as anybody else. I know that's the party line here and it's exactly why I made the comment. See, in the time I made this comment Ray just gave us the invisible argument as well. ;) I know how it works.


Next comes the argument that atheists don't have a moral compass and that in itself makes all atheists "sociopaths"... right Doc?

Let me know when you have that list I mentioned in my last post. :O)

Ray
02/13/2015 06:34:04 PM · #208
I'll get right on it Ray. Don't leave your computer because I'm coming back any minute.

I think you missed the whole point about the sociopaths though...

Message edited by author 2015-02-13 18:35:50.
02/14/2015 12:39:21 AM · #209
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

I'll get right on it Ray. Don't leave your computer because I'm coming back any minute.

I think you missed the whole point about the sociopaths though...


...and to think I actually believed you and sat here all this time. :O)

Ray
02/14/2015 05:18:20 AM · #210
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Atheism has the unique property of becoming invisible as soon as you try to stick something on it. Despite being a worldview like any other, it is incapable of being responsible for poor behavior... ;)

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

How can a word used to describe the fact that some people simply believe their is no god be a worldview, or responsible for any kind of behaviors???


Originally posted by DrAchoo:

A sociopath is define by what he lacks (a sense of moral responsibility and social conscience), not traits he has over and above normal people. Would it be similarly incorrect to say any actions of his were because "he was a sociopath"?

Not at all, because his behaviors, and lack of conscience & morality are integral parts of what define him as a sociopath.
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Frankly I don't buy the "we're not a club" argument. Y'all have become as much a club as anybody else. I know that's the party line here and it's exactly why I made the comment. See, in the time I made this comment Ray just gave us the invisible argument as well. ;) I know how it works.

Except.....there are no dues, no rules, no doctrine, no dogma, no tithing, no elders......other than simply believing there is no god/are no gods. It's a personal thing, not any part of some worldwide culture.

BTW, for what it's worth, the y'all comment doesn't apply. I have my own beliefs, I just don't choose to belong to any of man's religions/god clubs. To me, faith and beliefs are personal, between the person and his own journey. I respect that in others, and only wish more people would do the same.
02/14/2015 07:43:46 AM · #211
Jeb has it right here, one can have a profound belief in something deeper than the norm without it being a religious sensation, I mean just go and look at the stars on a clear night, the feeling I get is certainly spiritual but it's absolutely not religious. Religion is a way of putting these feelings In a box but in doing so it drains them of their magic.
02/14/2015 08:31:35 AM · #212
Originally posted by jagar:

Jeb has it right here,<snip>

You know that was out loud, right? You need to seek professional help!
02/14/2015 08:37:50 AM · #213
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by jagar:

Jeb has it right here,<snip>

You know that was out loud, right? You need to seek professional help!


Can you recommend anyone ?
02/14/2015 09:31:14 AM · #214
Originally posted by jagar:

Jeb has it right here,<snip>

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

You know that was out loud, right? You need to seek professional help!

Originally posted by jagar:

Can you recommend anyone ?

Check with ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/30861.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/user_id/30861.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Bear_Music. He's the one who had me committed certified.
02/14/2015 10:58:48 AM · #215
At your service, John! Night-sky viewers can still be saved! All it takes is faith (and a deep wallet) :-)
02/14/2015 11:52:27 AM · #216
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

At your service, John! Night-sky viewers can still be saved! All it takes is faith (and a deep wallet) :-)


How much of your fancy food is involved in this cure ?
02/14/2015 12:25:14 PM · #217
Originally posted by jagar:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

At your service, John! Night-sky viewers can still be saved! All it takes is faith (and a deep wallet) :-)

How much of your fancy food is involved in this cure ?

Depends on the wallet, dunnit?

ETA: I'm at this moment cooking a Bouef Bourguignon for Valentine's day. Arguably, French cooking is proof of the existence of God :-)

Message edited by author 2015-02-14 12:43:37.
02/14/2015 01:50:17 PM · #218
Le mousse au chocolat that my other half makes is proof that heaven exists for sure.
02/14/2015 04:12:53 PM · #219
Originally posted by jagar:

Jeb has it right here, one can have a profound belief in something deeper than the norm without it being a religious sensation, I mean just go and look at the stars on a clear night, the feeling I get is certainly spiritual but it's absolutely not religious. Religion is a way of putting these feelings In a box but in doing so it drains them of their magic.


We are at different points on the same road. I can respect that and appreciate at the least that we are travelers together. You are sensing the Numinous and for many it represents the gateway rather than the destination.
02/14/2015 04:48:25 PM · #220
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

ETA: I'm at this moment cooking a Bouef Bourguignon for Valentine's day. Arguably, French cooking is proof of the existence of God :-)

"Mayonnaise is one of those sauces which serve the French in place of a state religion."
02/14/2015 05:32:10 PM · #221
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Arguably, French cooking is proof of the existence of God :-)


And Julia Child is our savior.

Message edited by author 2015-02-14 17:33:49.
02/14/2015 05:47:22 PM · #222
Originally posted by shutterpuppy:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Arguably, French cooking is proof of the existence of God :-)


And Julia Child is our savior.

Does that make Jacques Pepin pope?

Message edited by author 2015-02-14 17:47:37.
02/14/2015 06:21:47 PM · #223
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

I'm at this moment cooking a Bouef Bourguignon for Valentine's day. Arguably, French cooking is proof of the existence of God :-)


Ahem... in my younger days I used to hear God's name called out quite often... now... not so much. :O)

Ray
02/14/2015 08:47:32 PM · #224
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

You are sensing the Numinous and for many it represents the gateway rather than the destination.


Doc, I know you don't mean it this way, but can you take a step back to realize how incredibly condescending you sound here?
02/14/2015 09:10:59 PM · #225
Originally posted by shutterpuppy:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

You are sensing the Numinous and for many it represents the gateway rather than the destination.

Doc, I know you don't mean it this way, but can you take a step back to realize how incredibly condescending you sound here?

I don't agree that Doc's reply sounds condescending. I guess it's a personal thing...
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