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09/28/2004 01:59:40 AM · #101 |
I certainly hope people don;t vote down an image if they have decided that a zoo is not allowed just as they presume a shot must be taken in a zoo.
Can you tell if a magnificent photo of a lion is in a zoo .... maybe the photographer is in africa.
For instance, here in Australia, if you live up North, it would not be hard to get photos of a lot of very exotic species in the fully natural environment .... crocs, koalas, roos, dolphins, whales, dingos, wombats etc etc etc. With the exception of the croc I can grab a photo of any of them within a 2 hour drive (2 mins for the roos) with a very high chance of guaranteed photos.
I personally hope people do not vote down zoo photos anyway, as it may be the best access most people have to such beasts.
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09/28/2004 06:33:02 AM · #102 |
Originally posted by ancientimages:
What about birds? There are birds in cities... Squirrels? I'm guessing "wildlife" doesn't necessarily mean it has to be something totally exotic. |
Pigeons and squirrels fit the challenge bang on as would a a big rat in an alley. Any undomesticated animal works. And in my opinion, pets don't work, which includes grandma's cranky parrot, junior's ferret or uncle Bob's pet python Snuggums.
Get a long lens, go outside, be very patient and quiet and have fun.
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09/28/2004 06:39:13 AM · #103 |
Originally posted by doctornick:
Can anyone tell whether this was taken in a zoo?
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Never saw a snow leopard lying down in green grass like that, except at the zoo. I thought they were mostly montane/moutain dwellers? Anyway, it would be awful lucky for someone to be somewhere in Nepal or wherever to haev taken that shot and submitted it all in the challenge week.
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09/28/2004 06:48:27 AM · #104 |
Originally posted by Beagleboy:
Anyway, it would be awful lucky for someone to be somewhere in Nepal or wherever to haev taken that shot and submitted it all in the challenge week. |
Not so much. I think we have at least one member who lives in India. It's possible for them to actually run into a tiger in the wild. I think as always it would be best for us all to give the BoD to the photographer. It would be embarassing to comment "this is a zoo" only to find that Kavey went off to the wilds of Africa again this week and got some good shots. And that sentence screams out for a break somewhere. ;)
Since I live in DC can I shoot pictures of politicians as "wildlife"? I wouldn't arge they are domesticated. ;)
Clara
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09/28/2004 07:40:38 AM · #105 |
Originally posted by blemt:
Originally posted by Beagleboy:
Anyway, it would be awful lucky for someone to be somewhere in Nepal or wherever to haev taken that shot and submitted it all in the challenge week. |
And that sentence screams out for a break somewhere. ;) |
No kidding! LOL! That's what I get for typing so early in the morning. *Yawn*
PS - I forgot to add this in my last pst: awesome snow leopard shot, doctornick.
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09/28/2004 08:33:24 AM · #106 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Is a zoo a natural environment? |
My opinion is a very strong no. If a zoo is a natural environment, what isn't?
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09/28/2004 09:28:06 AM · #107 |
Again, whether or not zoos are appropriate is a moot point. You can't always tell whether or not a shot was taken at a zoo, so how can you vote or comment on that basis?
Taken at a zoo: 
Taken in the wild: 
Both are wild animals, and both appear to be in a natural environment, so both are OK by me. |
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09/28/2004 09:35:50 AM · #108 |
Personally, I think the key is to capture a wildlife image that LOOKS as though it was taken in the animal's natural habitat.
I don't think it's cheating to enter an image taken in a zoo.
You'd probably be surprised how many professional wildllife photographers do take images of animals in settings that mimic the wild but aren't the wild - for example, rehabilitation and breeding centres, game reserves etc. I'm not saying that they "cheat" and claim that the images were taken in the wild (although I know of one case where that happened) but that, when shooting for stock libraries etc, they focus on the result, not how it is obtained.
Provided the background fits expectations then what's the problem.
I'm totally with Mag - if the photographer shows enough skill to make me believe I'm seeing a wild animal in it's natural environment then that's good enough for me. If I later find out it was taken in a zoo or other non-wild place, that doesn't matter to me, unless the photographer specifically claims otherwise. And then, it doesn't matter in terms of how much I like the image, just in terms of integrity and courtesy between the photographer and myself.
Anyway, given the current topic I thought I might take the opportunity to showcase a series of images I took in Kenya's Masaai Mara earlier this year. I am selling them to raise funds for vital wildlife conservation - all profits are going to the David Shepherd Wildlife Foundation. Please follow this link to My Prints and view the images including DSWF in the title. If you can spare a little change, please also consider ordering one or more prints for your home or office wall or for animal-lover friends for Christmas, birthdays etc. Thank you!
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09/28/2004 09:37:08 AM · #109 |
I went out to a local wildlife nature walk thingy after work yesterday and was reminded of some important facts:
* mosquito's rule the woods, make no mistake about it.
* frogs are harder to find than you think.
* if you think you are going to "sneak up" on a wild animals, you aren't very bright.
* A chirping bird can seem 5 feet away, but they have a cloaking device like the predator.
* no matter how sunny it is outside, it's dark in the woods
* just when you hear something big and think you're about to see a 10 pointer, you'll find another person in the woods looking just as out of place as you :) |
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09/28/2004 09:38:12 AM · #110 |
Shannon
Thanks for linking to my image, I was composing my last post by then so didn't see it before I posted.
That cub was such a cutey. I watched him climbing and predicted that he'd end up in a position such as this within a moment or two so I chose my composition, focused and held the camera up ready. He took his time and I almost had to give up because my (rather pathetically weak) arm muscles were protesting but, just in time, he gave me the pose I was hoping for.
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09/28/2004 09:39:34 AM · #111 |
Originally posted by hopper:
* A chirping bird can seem 5 feet away, but they have a cloaking device like the predator.
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Ha ha! Some of those little flying critters do seem to have learned ventriloquy don't they?!
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09/28/2004 10:18:33 AM · #112 |
Kavey, I have just now discovered your amazing prints! I absolutely love them! What an amazing talent for wildlife photography you have! I'm hoping to be in a position to make a purchase in the near future!
I've been mostly reading this thread & some others like this without saying anything, but I can't help it now: I'm just amazed at how many people get SO hung up on "rules" and the "letter" of the law (that probably aren't even the intent of the law) that they miss what this is all about: submitting & enjoying great photographs that relate to a particular topic each week. It stifles creativity, and I'm sure it keeps really cool pictures out of the challenges for fear that the legalists will tromp on it -- which they do. I wish everyone could just enjoy submitting their best photos, knowing that their photo would be rated on its merit, and not trounced on by people who seem to look for reasons why it doesn't fall within some perceived tight perameters. Ok. . .that's my 2 cents. Now, I'm off to try to find some sort of wildlife that's not in a zoo. . . but if I can't. . .then it's off to the zoo I go :) |
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09/28/2004 10:49:00 AM · #113 |
Sandy -
Yup, I fully agree. Its all about the shot.
(I just like a good debate as well ;) |
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09/28/2004 11:05:30 AM · #114 |
Originally posted by SandyP:
Kavey, I have just now discovered your amazing prints! I absolutely love them! What an amazing talent for wildlife photography you have! I'm hoping to be in a position to make a purchase in the near future! |
Thank you! That's very kind of you. It's certainly a very worthy cause. Wildlife MATTERS! If you are able to make a purchase that would be just great!
I had been on a safari previously, back in 2001, and some of those came out reasonably well too but not as good as these Kenya images. I don't know why as I took the same old film camera and stuck with the same old mix of fully automatic and aperture priority settings. Nothing clever or fancy, that's for sure.
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09/28/2004 11:46:27 AM · #115 |
Originally posted by blemt:
Since I live in DC can I shoot pictures of politicians as "wildlife"? I wouldn't arge they are domesticated. ;)
Clara |
I'd suggest shooting lobbyists ...
Message edited by author 2004-09-28 12:55:15. |
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09/28/2004 12:25:16 PM · #116 |
Originally posted by Kavey:
Originally posted by SandyP:
Kavey, I have just now discovered your amazing prints! I absolutely love them! |
Thank you! That's very kind of you. It's certainly a very worthy cause. Wildlife MATTERS! If you are able to make a purchase that would be just great! |
Me, too!!!
I was following your thread about your trip to Kenya and got lost somewhere along the line (work, etc...) But your photos are excellent. Congratulations. |
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09/28/2004 02:23:00 PM · #117 |
Originally posted by Koriyama:
I was following your thread about your trip to Kenya and got lost somewhere along the line (work, etc...) But your photos are excellent. Congratulations. |
Thank you too!
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09/28/2004 08:56:08 PM · #118 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by blemt:
Since I live in DC can I shoot pictures of politicians as "wildlife"? I wouldn't arge they are domesticated. ;)
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I'd suggest shooting lobbyists ... |
The congresscritters get mad when I do that. :)
Clara |
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