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01/27/2015 07:25:19 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
If you're going to have a challenge for those currently not holding a DPC ribbon I think it should be voted by the community rather than a jury. That's how the majority of ribbons are won ... should be the same process for someone getting their first ribbon. Ribbon by fire I say! |
The jury wouldn't be the only voters anyway. The site ALWAYS votes, the jury is just another layer added on. It doesn't give official ribbons that show up in the ribbon counts... |
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01/27/2015 07:38:21 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
If you're going to have a challenge for those currently not holding a DPC ribbon I think it should be voted by the community rather than a jury. That's how the majority of ribbons are won ... should be the same process for someone getting their first ribbon. Ribbon by fire I say! |
The jury wouldn't be the only voters anyway. The site ALWAYS votes, the jury is just another layer added on. It doesn't give official ribbons that show up in the ribbon counts... |
Oops! ... you're correct. :-) Bring on the jury. |
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01/27/2015 07:44:35 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by pixelpig:
A jury brings more comments, more in-depth comments, which I enjoy reading. For those getting the comments, it's a chance to find out a little bit about what the other mentors thought about your comp. |
Anything that would result in more comments would be great, especially for this challenge - constructive criticism on those who want to learn often gets left out in favor of "excellent shot!" and the like, on images by people who have gotten very proficient at the type of photography they enter in challenges and have won plenty before. |
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01/27/2015 10:06:03 PM · #29 |
| I love that idea even more then! Bring it on :-)) |
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01/27/2015 10:06:04 PM · #30 |
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Message edited by author 2015-01-27 22:06:15. |
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01/27/2015 10:19:27 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by MadMan2k:
Oh, I agree with you - Just the fact that someone gets high scores or places in the top 3 doesn't make them or their photos necessarily 'better', that was not my intention to imply at all. |
Obviously, I am sure that there are 2 simple reasons why my Best of 2014 didn't ribbon.
1. The guys are jealous and felt inadequate.
2. Not enough women voters.
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01/27/2015 10:21:36 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by markwiley:
Sounds like a good idea. Maybe with a concurrent FS only for those that have won a ribbon? |
I like that idea! One for those who have never ribboned and one for those who have running side by side. |
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01/27/2015 10:35:15 PM · #33 |
Sounds like a neat idea, but I I would pass on it.
I can't help but feel that if by some weird set of circumstances I actually won a ribbon, I would feel like it needs an asterisk by it. |
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01/28/2015 08:37:26 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by FromDaRock:
Sounds like a neat idea, but I I would pass on it.
I can't help but feel that if by some weird set of circumstances I actually won a ribbon, I would feel like it needs an asterisk by it. |
I have a couple of ribbons, so not really my call, but if I did not have any, I do think winning a ribbon where all the "best" photographers were excluded would be a hollow victory. |
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01/28/2015 09:05:15 AM · #35 |
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01/28/2015 01:32:25 PM · #36 |
We have talked about doing this in my camera club for our print competitions. It has never passed because our goals are more about becoming a good (better) photographer rather than simply winning a competition.
It might be cool if there was a way to show the top scoring photo from the entrants who have never won a ribbon rather than having a separate challenge. |
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01/28/2015 02:34:43 PM · #37 |
Looks like I'm in the minority group that judges the photographer by the work not the ribbons.
Some of the non-ribboners to me are very good photog's they just don't appeal to the masses.
To me this challenge suggestion is more like what style of the non-ribboners do the masses like most.
Message edited by author 2015-01-28 14:35:32. |
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01/29/2015 09:35:51 AM · #38 |
It all seems a touch condescending- the whole "give em a chance"- "mentor them to success" concept.
But, technique is important, and the are pros and amateurs, so perhaps a "pro-am" challenge, pair up people, two challenges, with informal two person "teams" - add scores on a thread at the end. The pro-am challenge. |
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01/29/2015 09:55:17 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by nygold:
Looks like I'm in the minority group that judges the photographer by the work not the ribbons.
Some of the non-ribboners to me are very good photog's they just don't appeal to the masses.
To me this challenge suggestion is more like what style of the non-ribboners do the masses like most. |
As it should be... the work should always be first not because of not having something. If a ribbon happens it happens, it is never a priority or a must have do or die.
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01/29/2015 10:20:01 AM · #40 |
| I can see how it might sound condescending, but if we have masters free studies this is just the logical counter to that, isn't it? |
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01/29/2015 10:26:08 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by MadMan2k:
I can see how it might sound condescending, but if we have masters free studies this is just the logical counter to that, isn't it? |
I think it's the mentor part that sounds condescending, not the challenge part.
If I want to see the mentors work I'll look at their portfolio. |
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01/29/2015 12:18:59 PM · #42 |
| For me photography is an ongoing learning process. Sometimes I feel like I am trying to learn things in my own little bubble. Working with another person can help me see things from another perspective and provides an opportunity to get some fresh ideas on shooting and processing. If we essentially had concurrent masters/non-masters challenges and paired up participants I would simply see it as an opportunity to get to know another DPCer one-on-one and swap ideas. These seem like good things. |
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01/29/2015 12:59:49 PM · #43 |
| I suppose I have been what you could call a ribon hog in the past, now though I prefere to subit a photo that satisfies my own idea of what a good photo is, obviously this is constantly changing and sometimes it's not at all in tune with the voters. Not sure I can see the point in a challenge like this, we are all winners if we submit what we like, I mean would you try to change who you are just to fit in ? |
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01/29/2015 01:58:03 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by markwiley:
Working with another person can help me see things from another perspective and provides an opportunity to get some fresh ideas on shooting and processing. ... I would simply see it as an opportunity to get to know another DPCer one-on-one and swap ideas. These seem like good things. |
This could also be done via a side-challenge, or at any time really - no? |
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01/29/2015 03:38:17 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by jagar:
I suppose I have been what you could call a ribon hog in the past, now though I prefere to subit a photo that satisfies my own idea of what a good photo is, obviously this is constantly changing and sometimes it's not at all in tune with the voters. Not sure I can see the point in a challenge like this, we are all winners if we submit what we like, I mean would you try to change who you are just to fit in ? |
I agree with most everything you've said. You should submit entries that satisfy yourself. You should not change just to fit in. I think it's good for one's idea of what makes a good photo to evolve as they learn and grow. I think experimenting and trying new things is a great way to learn, but it can be hard to think of new things to try. I guess I didn't view this as an opportunity for a ribbon winner to tell the non-ribbon winner what to do to take "good" photos to win ribbons. I just saw it as an opportunity for two people that might have different viewpoints, backgrounds, and experience levels, to exchange ideas to give each other some possible new things to try. I think there are many people here that could learn some things from  jagar -- not simply the secret to winning ribbons. I think it's even possible you might learn something from a randomly paired photographer that hasn't won a ribbon.
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by markwiley:
Working with another person can help me see things from another perspective and provides an opportunity to get some fresh ideas on shooting and processing. ... I would simply see it as an opportunity to get to know another DPCer one-on-one and swap ideas. These seem like good things. |
This could also be done via a side-challenge, or at any time really - no? |
Absolutely. This can and does happen. Should I be more outgoing in engaging with new people here on the site? Probably. Is that likely to happen? There's a good chance no. I thought this might be an opportunity to make a new connection, perhaps learn something from someone new and return the favor. Maybe I am wrong. |
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01/29/2015 04:17:13 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by markwiley:
... Maybe I am wrong. |
... and maybe not. :-) |
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01/29/2015 07:00:40 PM · #47 |
I've stated before, and has been said here in this thread, as a non-ribboner, getting my first ribbon in a "kiddie pool" challenge would seem hollow, it would forever put an asterisk on my profile that I would not like.
I will say now that if this challenge goes forward, I wish success to those who enter, but I will not be one of them in the off chance I actually DO ribbon. |
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01/29/2015 07:19:26 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by RyanW:
I've stated before, and has been said here in this thread, as a non-ribboner, getting my first ribbon in a "kiddie pool" challenge would seem hollow, it would forever put an asterisk on my profile that I would not like.
I will say now that if this challenge goes forward, I wish success to those who enter, but I will not be one of them in the off chance I actually DO ribbon. |
I'm sorry you feel this way. I really think you're grossly underestimating the talent in the non-ribbon winners.
If this thing is going to go through maybe it should be 3 ribbons or less, opposite the masters challenge. |
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01/29/2015 07:37:27 PM · #49 |
I would really like to see and suggest this more as a "side" challenge instead of being a part of the regular challenges. Just like TPL
Then this side challenge can have their own special made up ribbon instead of the regular DPC ribbon.
DPC is not about ribbons for me nor will it ever be.
I think I rather would have one of those special ribbons in place of. Another fun way that DPC can be used and in place of. I would be all for that. (Ok, I had a few drinks of a new monscato with supper so kinda buzzing after two small glasses, but oh it was good, hope this makes sense, should never drink and type LOL)
This will take up a lot of energy, time and effort for everyone involved, having it be as a special entry challenge will be just weird. The challenges should be normal as always.. Seeing this all seperated will give a new fun punch to try out.
Message edited by author 2015-01-29 19:46:01. |
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01/30/2015 09:54:28 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
...I have done extensive mentoring over the years, and some respond very well to it and others make no "progress" whatever, at least if the metric defining "progress" is scores in DPC challenges. But we all know (or I hope we do) that's not a particularly viable metric by which to judge a photographer, or at least it's only one of many. There are plenty of folks here who quietly go about pursuing their own vision, and they are to be admired. |
Mostly been out of commission with the cold this past week and have some thoughts on Bear's words.
Believe it or not, I've mentored a couple of people to ribbon status, and in turn Bear was kind enough to give me some mentoring when I visited him and Penny last fall. Though it was fun to watch Bear do his thing in the NIK suite and he seemed to want me to use that editing suite as extensively as he does, and do nothing but win in the future. In this respect I have been an abject failure of the  Bear_Music Mentoring System.
However people here must realize that ribboning is not everyone's goal. I like shooting and participating in challenges though have grown weary of late of crap scores because my work tends to colour outside the lines. But grabbing my ankles and shooting to please everyone else is not my style, and I am all the more proud of the three ribbons I did win, on my own merits, and on the coattails of no one. |
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