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12/12/2014 12:41:10 PM · #26
The Canon EF-s 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM is a very attractive do-everything lens for Canon's 1.6x ("APS-C") cameras (it won't work on full-frame or 1.3x cameras). EF -S series lenses will not physically mount on any full frame EOS camera body.

Canon 70D Probably a good choice for the upgrade in features you desire.

Canon 6D Note: This is a full frame sensor camera!
12/12/2014 01:21:51 PM · #27
if the 15-85 could mount on the fullframe, the image projected onto the sensor wouldn't cover the sensor and you'd get no exposure and very very heavy vignette around your images.. canon makes a different mount because the ef-s lenses sit inside the body too far and can possibly interfere with the mirror so its not even an option.

if you are set on a new body, the 70D is my vote unless you want a fullframe then i suggest a 6d.

Message edited by author 2014-12-12 13:22:57.
12/14/2014 11:02:37 PM · #28
Ok... I'm getting suggestions that I should get the Canon 70d ... are those images of better quality than what I had ??? the Canon T2i ... I am aware that the Nikon d7100 has a slug of more focus points than the Canon T2i .... Does that mean better photos? Better Focusing? What???
12/14/2014 11:13:25 PM · #29
Originally posted by hotbacon:

Ok... I'm getting suggestions that I should get the Canon 70d ... are those images of better quality than what I had ??? the Canon T2i ... I am aware that the Nikon d7100 has a slug of more focus points than the Canon T2i .... Does that mean better photos? Better Focusing? What???

70D is miles ahead of the T2i, yes, especially for low light/high ISO shooting. All other things being equal, more focus points equals better focusing, especially when focus tracking is enabled for moving subjects, like birds or soccer players or whatever.
12/15/2014 11:43:39 AM · #30
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by hotbacon:

Ok... I'm getting suggestions that I should get the Canon 70d ... are those images of better quality than what I had ??? the Canon T2i ... I am aware that the Nikon d7100 has a slug of more focus points than the Canon T2i .... Does that mean better photos? Better Focusing? What???

70D is miles ahead of the T2i, yes, especially for low light/high ISO shooting. All other things being equal, more focus points equals better focusing, especially when focus tracking is enabled for moving subjects, like birds or soccer players or whatever.


Hello in looking at your profile, I see a plethora of much higher end cameras than the 70d ... would you steer me clear of the 70d, and more toward a higher end camera (which I can't afford.... and would require me to ditch my only good lens (Canon 15-85mm) .... or are you thinking that with my limited resources (retired) that the 70d would be a choice I'd be happy with? BTW, in looking at some of your shots... "Evening Rest" WOW!!!! now that's my goal to get shots like that! Is that possible with a 70d? What there a fair amount of post-processing, or is that right out of the camera???? FANTSTIC WORK!!
12/30/2014 05:37:25 PM · #31
Ordered the "body-only" version of the Canon 70d from B&H last night. I am hoping for good shots with my 15-85 IS .... Thanks contributors!
12/30/2014 07:34:38 PM · #32
Originally posted by hotbacon:

Ordered the "body-only" version of the Canon 70d from B&H last night. I am hoping for good shots with my 15-85 IS .... Thanks contributors!

I'm sorry I missed your last post to me. I would have advised you do just what you did. Enjoy the new gear, it should suit you very well :-)
12/31/2014 02:17:52 AM · #33
I've always been a believe in good glass first bodies second

Although recent trip to wildlife park I was shooting with my 5d mk2 and mk3 when I got my mk2 I thought it was the best thing in the world but after the 3 it's slow and af is a joke compared to the 3 got home and was looking at 1dx again again and I've hardly used my camera this year.

Good glass shows the biggest bang for your buck and doesn't have to be canon l glass sigma do some wonderful lenses

But unless your pixel peeping just enjoy what you've got

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12/31/2014 05:25:18 AM · #34
Originally posted by Giles:

Sign up here enter every challenge and you'll improve so much I did in 2 years on here


Sorry for off topic comment but I feel DPC has turned from "Digital Photography Challenge" into "Digital PHOTOSHOPpy Challenge". For someone who just take photos and does minimal post processing (Lightroom level), there is very little hope to get a good score on challenge submissions vs all the artificially enhanced photo shopped images. It might just discourage regular folks without Photoshop/skills.

Message edited by author 2014-12-31 05:26:41.
12/31/2014 06:09:56 AM · #35
dump the lot and get a 5D mkI and some decent lenses, maybe a 50mm f1.4 and grow from there, then you will notice a lot more than slight IQ improvement... too late, my bad

Message edited by author 2014-12-31 06:10:29.
10/30/2017 02:37:51 PM · #36
Hi everyone,
so this thread is now 3 years old, and I am facing a similar dilemma as the original poster, except technology has moved on :-).
I have my dear and trusted Canon 550D (T2i), and "actually" there is nothing wrong with it :-). But you know us photographers, can't help but "looking around", and I love, love, love "windowshopping".
So what I would really like in a new camera is a higher ISO ability, more focus points, it is kind of a pain to work with 9, a swivel screen would be awesome, because I always feel either too short, or would like to dig a hole in the ground so I get a better angle ;-). And then I am hoping that some of the shortcomings I sometimes find in the quality of my photos may actually be addressed by a "better" camera.

So, I was thinking of getting a good second hand 5D maybe Mark ii, maybe mark iii if I could afford it. And then someone kindly pointed out that of the 4 lenses I have, only the 90 mm and the 150 - 600 would work on the full frame. So I would have to invest in at least 1 or 2 lenses, which makes this upgrade just not an option.

Then I chatted with an acquaintance of mine who is a really good studio/portrait photographer, and she swears by her 80D. I started doing some research and really liked what I was reading. But THEN I stumbled across the 77D and have now read so many comparisons of the 2 cameras, I think I know all the specs off by heart (and no, I don't usually wallow in camera specs at all :-)).

If anybody here is familiar or could give advise on either of the 2 cameras I would really appreciate.
One thing I need to say is that I am really tough on my gear. It goes everywhere with me, dust, sea, sand, whatever. My little Rebel has really held up amazingly well. The 80D has a weatherproof casing, which I assume means it is also better dust proof than the 77D which has a "standard" casing? I live in a very arid climate, we don't have much rain or mist, but loads of dust :-).

The other big difference is the processor, where the 77D has the new 7, whereas the 80D has the 6. Does this make such a big difference? Sorry, I am totally ignorant when it comes to this type of stuff.
What I do like with the 77D as well is that it has bluetooth. South Africa hasn't got such a great wireless system and often it is very expensive. So bluetooth sounds "cool" :-).
And lastly, the 77D is a lot lighter. I have pathetically small and weak wrists (yes, I know the idea of a 6D was quite funny actually ;-)). the lighter camera appeals to me.
I am just confused where the 80D justifies the higher price? You know what they say - you get what you pay :-).

Thanks for any help.
Regards
Gaby

10/30/2017 03:32:21 PM · #37
I've had my 80D for a few months and I'm really happy with my choice. I considered the 77D but for some reason I no longer remember, I preferred the specs of the 80D. I'm also small so weight was an issue but I don't find the 80D too heavy.

I don't know anything about Bluetooth (never used it) and didn't pay any attention to Wifi at the time I bought my camera either, but when I bought a "real" cellphone recently I was thrilled to discover that I can use it to control my camera. Now I might even put myself in some of my photos going forward.
10/30/2017 04:14:22 PM · #38
Originally posted by kasaba:


...I am just confused where the 80D justifies the higher price? You know what they say - you get what you pay :-).

Thanks for any help.
Regards
Gaby


The 80D is very well regarded, and there are a number of areas where it has higher capability than the 77D. I wouldn't hesitate to go that route. One thing to note, the 80D body-only is in stock on the Canon site as a refurb. $799 USD, same as a new 77D, and you get the same warranty.
10/30/2017 10:58:16 PM · #39
There's a 77D?

I really like the 80D. Very nice camera - I think you'll find it comfortable to use.
10/31/2017 01:12:50 AM · #40
Originally posted by GinaRothfels:



I don't know anything about Bluetooth (never used it) and didn't pay any attention to Wifi at the time I bought my camera either, but when I bought a "real" cellphone recently I was thrilled to discover that I can use it to control my camera. Now I might even put myself in some of my photos going forward.


I don't have either on my present camera, but a friend of mine has the 7D and we travel a lot together. I think the 7D has wifi only. She can view her pictures on her iPad, which is awesome, because you can sit in the evening and review your day but also delete off the SD card to free up space. I assume I would only use it for traveling - it just sounds like a nice gadget to have :-)
10/31/2017 01:20:56 AM · #41
Originally posted by kirbic:


The 80D is very well regarded, and there are a number of areas where it has higher capability than the 77D. I wouldn't hesitate to go that route. One thing to note, the 80D body-only is in stock on the Canon site as a refurb. $799 USD, same as a new 77D, and you get the same warranty.


Thanks for this link. Unfortunately shipping from the USA isn't a good option, unless I can find a friend who would be prepared to bring it back. The customs and shipping make it very expensive, but I will follow up with Canon South Africa if they perhaps have a similar offer. Thank you

BTW, I remember years back there was a thread about cost of equipment around the globe. If anybody is interested, the equipment here and in the USA is pretty similar in price (unless you can find a great discount in a particular shop).
10/31/2017 02:01:24 AM · #42
some good comparison
10/31/2017 09:24:08 AM · #43
Originally posted by kasaba:

Originally posted by GinaRothfels:



I don't know anything about Bluetooth (never used it) and didn't pay any attention to Wifi at the time I bought my camera either, but when I bought a "real" cellphone recently I was thrilled to discover that I can use it to control my camera. Now I might even put myself in some of my photos going forward.


I don't have either on my present camera, but a friend of mine has the 7D and we travel a lot together. I think the 7D has wifi only. She can view her pictures on her iPad, which is awesome, because you can sit in the evening and review your day but also delete off the SD card to free up space. I assume I would only use it for traveling - it just sounds like a nice gadget to have :-)


I'm not likely to use it that way, but it can be useful to be able to shoot using your phone to click the shutter. I don't usually do selfies but I was looking for new glasses recently and wanted to save photos of how I looked in the different frames before making my final choice. I hated the selfies I was taking using my phone so I used Wifi to shoot photos of myself using my camera. I felt a bit silly doing it that way, but most of the shop assistants probably wouldn't have had a clue about how to use my DSLR.
10/31/2017 02:01:29 PM · #44
Originally posted by Tiberius:

some good comparison


Thank you ... now even more confused ;-P
10/31/2017 02:03:17 PM · #45
Originally posted by GinaRothfels:


I'm not likely to use it that way, but it can be useful to be able to shoot using your phone to click the shutter. I don't usually do selfies but I was looking for new glasses recently and wanted to save photos of how I looked in the different frames before making my final choice. I hated the selfies I was taking using my phone so I used Wifi to shoot photos of myself using my camera. I felt a bit silly doing it that way, but most of the shop assistants probably wouldn't have had a clue about how to use my DSLR.


Oh I find this very funny :-). Not sure if in "social media" terms this is one step up or 1 step down from phone selfies ;-)
10/31/2017 03:31:57 PM · #46
Originally posted by kasaba:

Originally posted by GinaRothfels:


I'm not likely to use it that way, but it can be useful to be able to shoot using your phone to click the shutter. I don't usually do selfies but I was looking for new glasses recently and wanted to save photos of how I looked in the different frames before making my final choice. I hated the selfies I was taking using my phone so I used Wifi to shoot photos of myself using my camera. I felt a bit silly doing it that way, but most of the shop assistants probably wouldn't have had a clue about how to use my DSLR.


Oh I find this very funny :-). Not sure if in "social media" terms this is one step up or 1 step down from phone selfies ;-)


The intention was dead serious though. My phone selfies were horribly distorted and didn't give me any idea of what the frames looked like.

For more creative work it would be very useful for photos like this one by 21_F.gif vawendy
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10/31/2017 07:12:05 PM · #47
Sometimes I use the WiFi on my 6D for street. I hang my camera on my neck or sit with it on my lap and shoot remotely from the phone. Also good for selfies.

Edit: examples where i used the wifi remote

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Message edited by author 2017-10-31 20:11:13.
11/02/2017 11:22:54 AM · #48
Great idea and wonderful photos.
11/02/2017 03:53:04 PM · #49
Originally posted by MEJazz:

Originally posted by Giles:

Sign up here enter every challenge and you'll improve so much I did in 2 years on here


Sorry for off topic comment but I feel DPC has turned from "Digital Photography Challenge" into "Digital PHOTOSHOPpy Challenge". For someone who just take photos and does minimal post processing (Lightroom level), there is very little hope to get a good score on challenge submissions vs all the artificially enhanced photo shopped images. It might just discourage regular folks without Photoshop/skills.


I think there is a lot of truth in this post, I because one can manipulate the image doesn't mean you should let the effect become the image
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