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10/19/2014 12:25:36 PM · #1
Joan Crawford by Hurrell as retouched by James Sharp circa 1931
10/19/2014 01:02:04 PM · #2
A fine example of a technique I didn't know about (the vibrating machine). But I think it is important to remember that when the Knoll brothers wrote Photoshop they didn't "invent" any techniques (well, maybe the later distortion filters) but rather wrote digital imitations of established methods.
10/19/2014 02:58:14 PM · #3
And she didn't need retouching at all. But it's the early Hollywood era that perfected the fake plastic look that everyone has come to know and expect and demand in the modern age. It's made a lot of people and companies lots of money over the decades and what use to be a skill can now be done by just about anyone with the money to buy the software. Such is progress.

Mike
10/19/2014 06:43:50 PM · #4
Gosh look at the frizz at the ends of her hair!
10/19/2014 08:29:31 PM · #5
Originally posted by pixelpig:

Gosh look at the frizz at the ends of her hair!


Well, her hair is completely ruined due to all the gawdawful primitive chemicals they used in hair back then to either straighten or curl or wave, not to mention the hard-ass curling irons etc.

Notice the extent to which they had to correct the *smoker's face* naso-labial lines that she already has, and she's only what, in her early 30s or so? The neck lines are natural, as are sadly those grotesquely overplucked eyebrows...*shudder*...

Please Mommy Dearest, no more wire hangers!!!!
11/08/2014 03:28:14 PM · #6
A bump for ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' GeorgesBogaert.

I had started to post when this first came up. It's interesting that people constantly bring up these most extreme examples of traditional photo retouching in the context of Photoshop -- like there's a need to defend or validate it. Image manipulation is as old as image making.
11/09/2014 08:57:02 AM · #7
this is disgusting and I'm appalled at this type of manipulation.

11/09/2014 07:09:25 PM · #8
Needs more cowbell.
11/09/2014 07:24:15 PM · #9
Originally posted by Mike:

this is disgusting and I'm appalled at this type of manipulation.


LOL @ ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/31.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/31.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Mike...you need an auto-snarkasm thingy attached to every single post you make!! ;-)
11/09/2014 07:27:51 PM · #10
Wow Robert, thanks for sharing!! This is most enlightening!
11/09/2014 07:53:37 PM · #11
Originally posted by Mike:

this is disgusting and I'm appalled at this type of manipulation.


You give me reason to live.

Message edited by author 2014-11-09 19:54:00.
11/10/2014 09:59:01 AM · #12
That's nothing compared to what Jerry Uelsmann was doing in the darkroom
11/10/2014 12:55:16 PM · #13
Sometimes I think it is a shame that we feel the need to remove bits of 'character' in images.
I feel like these are two very different images where the retouched image says "hope" as opposed to the original that has more of a "misery" feel. So given that - nice job on the retouch ;)
11/10/2014 01:05:32 PM · #14
why isn't anyone talking eyebrows?
11/10/2014 01:07:20 PM · #15
Originally posted by Spork99:

That's nothing compared to what Jerry Uelsmann was doing in the darkroom


Thanks for sharing! His work is unreal!
11/10/2014 01:17:13 PM · #16
Originally posted by tnun:

why isn't anyone talking eyebrows?

Eyebrows were to Crawford what fangs were to Dracula...
11/10/2014 02:50:24 PM · #17
Originally posted by Spork99:

That's nothing compared to what Jerry Uelsmann was doing in the darkroom


ugh, these fantastical creations are ruining photography. why cant these people learn to get it right in camera? hopefully someday a powerful editing software comes along so we can finally apply a name to this bastardization of photography.
11/10/2014 04:07:56 PM · #18
It's pretty clear that all of these fanciful images started life as images that were gotten right in camera.
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