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09/23/2004 06:13:54 PM · #1
:)

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by G4Ds:

I want a brown ribbon so bad now that I can taste it.

Then Wacky Foods is the perfect challenge to exhibit your talents!

You can always just tell people you consistently finish somewhere around the 95th percentile -- very few people will bother to think that DPC uses an "inverted" ranking system : )
09/23/2004 06:08:54 PM · #2
Originally posted by G4Ds:

I want a brown ribbon so bad now that I can taste it.

Then Wacky Foods is the perfect challenge to exhibit your talents!

You can always just tell people you consistently finish somewhere around the 95th percentile -- very few people will bother to think that DPC uses an "inverted" ranking system : )
09/23/2004 05:51:17 PM · #3
Well, you guys have convinced me. I am now going to try for a brown ribbon too. It is apparent that there is more reason to go for the brown instead of the blue. After all, look at all of the fuss being made. Look at all of the attention. I want a brown ribbon so bad now that I can taste it.
09/23/2004 05:37:32 PM · #4
1. This is not golf where you have to make the cut to compete.
2. This is not NASCAR where you have to qualify to compete.
3. However this is DPChallenge and everyone is welcome to compete and have fun based on if you are a registered user or member.
I understand what you are saying it may make someone feel bad if they receive the brown ribbon or even come close. But hiding their score would only, IMO, hurt them. I wouldn't want to go to school and not know my GPA because it was lower than a cutoff line the school had set. Do the best you can do, if you allow the voting process and comment to stay the way they are now and apply them you will get better.
If you look at my average I have a LOOOOOOOOOOOOT of improving to do. If I didn't know my score then how would I know how much improvement was needed?
Buying a better camera would probably raise my average by 0.5 or even 1.0 but what WILL improve my average the most is learning from my scores and the comments everyone has kindly taken the time to post. If I score low, so be it. I will pick up my camera and try harder.
Just my 2cents
09/23/2004 04:55:59 PM · #5
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Originally posted by dwolff:

Why not, as you seem to vote them down anyway. Unless of course you are looking a solid grey square. You didn't think that was boring at all and you gave it a 10. I guess I may try for the blue color on the frames. I may end up with the so-called brown ribbon, but it will get me more 10's than any of the pictures I've submitted so far.


Why are we all not free to vote as we see fit?

-Terry


I like it the way it is, me at the bottom and everyone else up there. I am a strong photographer, I hold everyone else up!

I vote, nothings for free! And I sure ain't fit!

Just leave it the hell alone so I can wallow in self-pity for another failed challenge, at least it keeps me amused. Why are there no sharp things here? I want proper crayons, not wax ones!
09/23/2004 04:43:10 PM · #6
lucky bastid, we have to trade secrets.

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Jacko:

I earned my brown ribbon fair and square.

Yeah, but I have more than you do, and didn't have to work hardly at all!


Message edited by author 2004-09-23 16:43:29.
09/23/2004 04:42:42 PM · #7
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Jacko:

I earned my brown ribbon fair and square.

Yeah, but I have more than you do, and didn't have to work hardly at all!

Jacko sure does suck!! ;-D
09/23/2004 04:41:36 PM · #8
Originally posted by Jacko:

I earned my brown ribbon fair and square.

Yeah, but I have more than you do, and didn't have to work hardly at all!
09/23/2004 04:40:39 PM · #9
I earned my brown ribbon fair and square.
09/23/2004 04:32:42 PM · #10
Originally posted by Gordon:

... At least I guess we've switched from moaning about low scores on popular pictures to complaining about high scores on unpopular pictures.

That is a refreshing change ... after this can we have another round of complaining about how the middle-scoring photos never get as many comments as the really good or really bad ones?
09/23/2004 04:29:13 PM · #11
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:



Why are we all not free to vote as we see fit?

-Terry


Dunno - apparently you have to vote the way everyone else does or there is something wrong with you.
09/23/2004 04:20:53 PM · #12
Originally posted by dwolff:

Why not, as you seem to vote them down anyway. Unless of course you are looking a solid grey square. You didn't think that was boring at all and you gave it a 10. I guess I may try for the blue color on the frames. I may end up with the so-called brown ribbon, but it will get me more 10's than any of the pictures I've submitted so far.


Why are we all not free to vote as we see fit?

-Terry
09/23/2004 04:18:57 PM · #13
Originally posted by dwolff:


Why not, as you seem to vote them down anyway. Unless of course you are looking a solid grey square. You didn't think that was boring at all and you gave it a 10. I guess I may try for the blue color on the frames. I may end up with the so-called brown ribbon, but it will get me more 10's than any of the pictures I've submitted so far.


A blue square would be a whole lot less on topic and consequently score lower. If you have no concept of abstract art, that is fine - but it shouldn't give you the right to just dismiss people who might disagree with your present view of what is or isn't interesting art.

As to how I vote, like everyone else, I'm free to vote on the pictures that have the most impact on me. I didn't realise this was a literalist only site and that minimalism or abstract art was suddenly such a taboo.

God help anyone who tries to enter or like anything approaching pictorialism either, I guess.

Week in week out people bitch and moan about how other's vote. I didn't realise y'all had perfect insight into what someone should score anything. At least I guess we've switched from moaning about low scores on popular pictures to complaining about high scores on unpopular pictures.

Once again no doubt we'll get to the point of recommending that the scoring system should be changed to only have 5 as an option. Then everyone wins.

Perhaps all those who don't pick the top 3 winning pictures every week in the correct order, as there first 3 choices should be banned from voting ? After all - if they don't agree with the popular view, they most be aberrant trolls who should be removed as quickly as possible.

I don't claim I have the perfect voting scheme - so why should all the people who call me out for how I vote suddenly assume they are better ? Why do you assume you have a better view on what a good or bad picture is than I have ? I don't claim I know - but I would at least assume I have the same right as you to an opinion ? But apparently you and others would disagree.

Message edited by author 2004-09-23 16:27:43.
09/23/2004 03:34:04 PM · #14
Originally posted by Gordon:

Well, if we are going this way, could we just ditch all the crappy middle of the road images as well please ? You know, the ones that are on topic but boring to look at ? Maybe anything that doesn't score over a 6 in the first couple of days should be thrown out.

Oh - I'm sorry - do you find that offensive ? Rude ? Unfair ?


Why not, as you seem to vote them down anyway. Unless of course you are looking a solid grey square. You didn't think that was boring at all and you gave it a 10. I guess I may try for the blue color on the frames. I may end up with the so-called brown ribbon, but it will get me more 10's than any of the pictures I've submitted so far.
09/23/2004 03:28:45 PM · #15
whath tre frik are you guys babelling about??
09/23/2004 03:22:42 PM · #16
Originally posted by Gordon:

...I also figure a fighter pilot can stand a little bit of textual disent.

... so everything you do with the bayonet must be accompanied by sharp, animal-like cries, along this line ....

This is to frighten your enemy. I can see myself in a foxhole, "Omigod -- here comes someone with a bayonet; what'll I do if he yells at me?"

Tom Paxton, The Bayonet Rap (1970)
09/23/2004 12:05:24 PM · #17
Originally posted by Koriyama:

Originally posted by Gordon:

I was debating it on the merits. I wasn't ridiculing the poster.
Reductio ad absurdum is a well established approach for debate, since oh, about the time of Aristotle. Now there was someone who knew how to debate....

As Qunitillian pertinently advised, one of the first rules of classical rhetorical debate is to know your adversary. Before adopting any particular technique, it is advisable to consider how it might be understood first. In this case, you might have been better off if you'd prefaced your argument's presentation with a brief preamble.


From what the original poster has told me, he understood it. He disagrees, which is fair enough, but didn't infer that I was calling him stupid either. We've talked before and I also figure a fighter pilot can stand a little bit of textual disent.
09/23/2004 11:55:54 AM · #18
Originally posted by Gordon:

I was debating it on the merits. I wasn't ridiculing the poster.
Reductio ad absurdum is a well established approach for debate, since oh, about the time of Aristotle. Now there was someone who knew how to debate....

As Qunitillian pertinently advised, one of the first rules of classical rhetorical debate is to know your adversary. Before adopting any particular technique, it is advisable to consider how it might be understood first. In this case, you might have been better off if you'd prefaced your argument's presentation with a brief preamble.
09/23/2004 11:52:43 AM · #19
Originally posted by Gordon:


I was debating it on the merits. I wasn't ridiculing the poster.
Reductio ad absurdum is a well established approach for debate, since oh, about the time of Aristotle. Now there was someone who knew how to debate....


Which of the three principal forms does this 'reductio' refutation claim that the original suggestion makes?

1. a self-contradiction (ad absurdum)
2. a falsehood (ad falsum or even ad impossibile)
3. an implausibility or anomaly (ad ridiculum or ad incommodum)
09/23/2004 11:47:09 AM · #20
Originally posted by Gordon:

I was debating it on the merits. I wasn't ridiculing the poster.
Reductio ad absurdum is a well established approach for debate, since oh, about the time of Aristotle. Now there was someone who knew how to debate....


I take back my comment about ridiculing the poster. I stand by the remainder of my post.

Sorry for accusing you of something you didn't do.

-Terry
09/23/2004 11:37:29 AM · #21
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Originally posted by Gordon:

yes I am making silly suggestions. But it is the same suggestion that started this thread.


Gordon, it's a reasonable suggestion. If you wish to debate it, please do so on its merits, rather than flippantly ridiculing the suggestion and the poster.

Thanks,

-Terry


I was debating it on the merits. I wasn't ridiculing the poster.
Reductio ad absurdum is a well established approach for debate, since oh, about the time of Aristotle. Now there was someone who knew how to debate....

Message edited by author 2004-09-23 11:38:44.
09/23/2004 11:25:38 AM · #22
Originally posted by photom:

How would you all react to a scheme whereby only the top 90% (or some other percentage)of the images actually had scores? That is, the bottom 10% would not have their actual votes averaged, but would instead all be given an average vote of say 2.500 (or another number). That way all the bottom ten percent would be "tied" for last - and no one would actully get the "brown."

This is very much like a juried art show where only the images selected for the show are displayed.

Perhaps a comment should be placed on them "Did not make the cut" - or "failed to qualify" - (although that may be confused with disqualified..)

I persoanlly think it may work (if it's feasible) - it dilutes the stigma of being last and removes the incentive to deliberately "go for the brown."


I don't really think it's worth the effort. I'd much rather know exactly where I placed, rather than, "Well, I just finished somewhere down there."

I was not aware that there was a stigma associated with finishing last. Are those photographers somehow branded with a scarlet letter "L"?

If someone wants to "go for the brown", why is that even an issue?
09/23/2004 11:19:02 AM · #23
As an owner of a brown, and a silver-brown ribbon (in only 6 entries!) I feel I have some expertise in this area...

Anyway, I would vote not to change the way the results are posted. I'm very interested as to why all the crappy photos beat mine, and by how much! ;0)

Message edited by author 2004-09-23 11:19:30.
09/23/2004 11:12:57 AM · #24
Originally posted by PaulMdx:

Originally posted by jonpink:

cyber virtual Internet super highway neatimage competition extravaganza?

DPCVISHNICEChallenge is a bit long, Jon..


hehe, now that put a smile on my face :D

09/23/2004 11:12:25 AM · #25
Originally posted by Gordon:

yes I am making silly suggestions. But it is the same suggestion that started this thread.


Gordon, it's a reasonable suggestion. If you wish to debate it, please do so on its merits, rather than flippantly ridiculing the suggestion and the poster.

Thanks,

-Terry
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